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Your rights are the same anywhere, not just at roadblocks.
They cannot search your vehicle without permission or probable cause.
All you need to produce is a DL, registration and insurance.
Unless you have illegal drugs, guns or open alcohol then there is not likely to be probable cause.
You do not have to answer any questions or say a word. And you may video or otherwise record the entire event. No one can stop you from filming and recording.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Your rights are the same anywhere, not just at roadblocks.
They cannot search your vehicle without permission or probable cause.
All you need to produce is a DL, registration and insurance.
Unless you have illegal drugs, guns or open alcohol then there is not likely to be probable cause.
You do not have to answer any questions or say a word. And you may video or otherwise record the entire event. No one can stop you from filming and recording.
Wow now. How's a gun probable cause?
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Freak of Nature
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Your rights are the same anywhere, not just at roadblocks.
They cannot search your vehicle without permission or probable cause.
All you need to produce is a DL, registration and insurance.
Unless you have illegal drugs, guns or open alcohol then there is not likely to be probable cause.
You do not have to answer any questions or say a word. And you may video or otherwise record the entire event. No one can stop you from filming and recording.
Wow now. How's a gun probable cause? It’s not.
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Guns are evil. Didn't you know?
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What stops the LEOs or GWs from "creating" probable cause? They can make sheeet up just like anyone else.
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Freak of Nature
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Remember that if you are hunting, any place that game may be stored is subject to be searched. Someone that works with that will have to explain it better, but I know that is how it works.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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What stops the LEOs or GWs from "creating" probable cause? They can make sheeet up just like anyone else. Nothing. But usually LEOs that have those kind of reputations get caught stealing broad heads at Bass Pro Shop.
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Freak of Nature
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What stops the LEOs or GWs from "creating" probable cause? They can make sheeet up just like anyone else. A little thing called ethics and respect for a persons civil rights. Not all LEOs have these, but most do.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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What stops the LEOs or GWs from "creating" probable cause? They can make sheeet up just like anyone else. That's right. What is to keep them from planting a dead deer in the back of my truck when i'm not looking. One talks to me while his buddy sets me up?
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so let me get this right.. not that I am a doing anything illegally, if I get stopped at any road block all I have to do is give them my license and insurance and never say a work or nod my head? if I look straight forward the entire time not doing anything, will they not get leery of something and could they do anything. To be clear, if it is just a license check, that would work, although they will ask you questions to get you to speak to see if they can smell alcohol. Also some roadblocks are safety checks and they may tell you to hit your brakes and check the lights, then there are some extreme exigent circumstances where they have set up a road block looking for an escaped convict for example. They would be justified in being a little more intrusive in those. For example, asking you to open your trunk. In the escaped convict situation it's probably still a good idea not to allow a search. They will do it anyway, but if you had something back there I don't think they can get you for it in court anyway
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Remember that if you are hunting, any place that game may be stored is subject to be searched. Someone that works with that will have to explain it better, but I know that is how it works. But the key is "if you are hunting."
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What stops the LEOs or GWs from "creating" probable cause? They can make sheeet up just like anyone else. A little thing called ethics and respect for a persons civil rights. Not all LEOs have these, but most do. How you can say that when they ask you questions that should never be asked in a typical "game check block"? People are being searched for no reason cuz they are being threatened of jail time or tickets.
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I understand you can say no to this but people agree to it to avoid paying fines or going to jail over this. Yea they may be wrong but it's probably cheaper in the long run for the average Joe to adhere to it than pay a lawyer later to fight something you should never be fighting in the first place.
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I understand you can say no to this but people agree to it to avoid paying fines or going to jail over this. Yea they may be wrong but it's probably cheaper in the long run for the average Joe to adhere to it than pay a lawyer later to fight something you should never be fighting in the first place. I know I'm one weird SOB. You can threaten me with snakes and electricity and get my attention but you ain't getting my attention threatening me with jail time and tickets. But people are different.
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What stops the LEOs or GWs from "creating" probable cause? They can make sheeet up just like anyone else. A little thing called ethics and respect for a persons civil rights. Not all LEOs have these, but most do. How you can say that when they ask you questions that should never be asked in a typical "game check block"? People are being searched for no reason cuz they are being threatened of jail time or tickets. Which people? Who has posted where that has happened? Who has gone through a road block and was arrested for not agreeing to a search by Game and fish?
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I had a city police officer telll me he was going to put me in jail one night over some BS deal. I held my arms out and told him to quit talking and take me in. He declined.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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I may have taken it to a stretch but the LEOs and/or GWs are putting people in positions they shouldn't be in. You shouldn't have to know the law to protect yourself from the situations that should never be happening in the first place. That's an ethical issue from the very first wrong or improper question asked.
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Thats the catch 22 of course Im going to have a hunting rifle / rifles in the back seat and coolers therefore is it probable cause for a GW to check inside coolers at a roadblock...??? Folks quarter up a deer.
I understand less talking is better but if asked would it be best to state that I do not have any game animals in vehicle and to that extent I do not consent to examination of coolers contents???
In the field in Georgia we literally had some young feds throwing our underwear and cloths in the mud as they tore apart our hunting bags looking for potential STASHED DUCKS... we had packed for 4 day hunt.
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What stops the LEOs or GWs from "creating" probable cause? They can make sheeet up just like anyone else. A little thing called ethics and respect for a persons civil rights. Not all LEOs have these, but most do. How you can say that when they ask you questions that should never be asked in a typical "game check block"? People are being searched for no reason cuz they are being threatened of jail time or tickets. Which people? Who has posted where that has happened? Who has gone through a road block and was arrested for not agreeing to a search by Game and fish? It's the fear of it. Maybe not arrested but ticketed or the fear that you have done something wrong when you haven't. Guess I didn't say that right.
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I may have taken it to a stretch but the LEOs and/or GWs are putting people in positions they shouldn't be in. You shouldn't have to know the law to protect yourself from the situations that should never be happening in the first place. That's an ethical issue from the very first wrong or improper question asked. It's an emotional reaction to the thread that has now started to build on hypothetical situations. There is no indication other than someone that said G&F were doing a roadblock. Now it has expanded to people are being arrested and rights are being violated. If you don't have a pen you are going to prison etc. I do find it ironic that folks want to talk about rights and not talking to LEOs but want to know the number to Game and Fish because their neighbor has corn out or they heard Jim Bob has shot the big buck they had on camera and Game and fish wont do anything.
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