Ridgestalker, i have 1 boy thats 6. He sees my family as much as possible. He just stayed with my parents all week. I let him have a normal relationship with my parents. I dont let my neglect affect his time. My wifes family are all dead. Its important that my son has a strong family structure. What little family we have, my wife makes sure he gets time with them like a normal kid would as much as possible. I make sure to be involved with my kid cause i dont want him to have the relationship me and my dad have. Which is zero. Dad and i are just different but we are on good terms. Sorry to steal thread. Yes its rude to show up late i think. I think its best to call people out on it if the situation is rite but chances are that it will just cause more drama than good. I dont know