Never tried a mans minus but a Norman Deep middle N is what i was throwing (in Sexy shad and lavender). Also thought they were deeper so I threw a DD22. I did throw a stick bait old Rapala and a Smithwick but I cranked them down and twitched em. I killed them 2 years ago for 2 weeks doing this in early summer on bluffs but I havent done it since and I never waked the baits last Sunday. Found some hunting land too. Im looking forward to hunting down there some. BEAUTIFUL on SMith