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"I meant my post not to be good or bad, just my views and opinion of where Alabamas deer hunting stands. I have predictions on where deer hunting goes from here, its just my thoughts, it ain't pretty, and the cause will be many factors coming together."

Centralal said this on the Judge's thread, and I wondered what those predictions might be. I would really like to hear what he has to say, and also what everyone else thinks. I'll start out by sharing my own views on the future of hunting in the USA.

I think that hunting, especially deer hunting will become more and more a rich man's sport. The lack of quality land is gonna cause many to give it up, and fewer kids will take an interest. The dcnr will be under pressure from the wealthy to further regulate hunting to produce bigger deer, and they will comply. As the years go on, the dcnr will begin to be made up of people only interested in bird watching, hiking and such, and many of them will even be anti-hunting.

I fear that there will be a point at which hunting loses critical mass and can no longer survive because so few will be involved. CA will be the first state to ban hunting, and all the others will follow, likely one at a time.

But wildlife, especially deer, will still require some sort of management, so there will always be people with government connections able to get a special permit to hunt in some capacity. When FL banned steel traps there were still a few people who were able to get a special permit, and I suspect hunting will be the same.

With no license sales, there won't be many game wardens, so illegal hunting will always exist. A guy hunting on his own land isn't a poacher, but he will still be illegal.

I do not expect any of this to happen very soon. I can only guess as to how long it might take, but I think 100 years from now most of this will have happened.

I certainly hope that I am wrong on every prediction. Somebody convince me that I am.


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If you want to know what will happen with hunting (or anything) look at Europe. It will become more of a fringe/niche sport with a small but devoted following.

Gun laws will be tightened accordingly, because when people don't hunt, they don't own guns, and aren't exposed to guns. The urban folks will just shrug their shoulders at the death of the 2nd amendment because "they never saw the need anyway".

Guns will never go away completely, but they'll legislate them into obscurity, the same way that it has happened in Europe.

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Preacher, Hunting now is better than it ever was in the old days. Back then I hunted quail mostly, and squirrels. When I was young I would go on dog drives down around Livingston and Demopolis, but Deer were almost non existent in north and central Alabama. If you saw a deer track you went and got the family and everyone was amazed. It was illegal to shoot does. No one hunted with a rifle and only Mr Hill hunted with a bow, and that was out of state.
I would love to take my grandson on one of the old fashioned quail hunts, with great dogs, and a wagon or jeep set up to chase the pointers, and the great comradery that we had back them. A kid was just as good as an adult except he had to wash dishes and fetch drinks.
I wish that the State would get serious about supporting hunting again and actually start to manage our resources.


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I think that as time goes on the cost of hunting will continue to increase. I do believe that there will always be public land hunting, but as the costs of leases continue to rise those that really want to hunt but not pay an arm and a leg for leases will migrate toward public land.

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I think they will close all public land hunting due to garbage dumping, poachers and folks breaking laws and the state saying well we cant afford to pay law enforcement to watch over it so we will just close it down and let the timber companies use it. They already closed a lot of tva land around my house. Blocked the rite of ways off due to meth heads and people poaching and dumping garbage. The land owners banned together and closed the rite of way to enter tva land. All that land just sits there now. Gotta have a boat to access it now.

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I think it is an accurate statement to say that we are currently in the "good ole' days" of deer hunting.

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The best way to fix this is take someone new hunting.

If each of us made it out goal to take 1-5 new people hunting yearly it would have a profound impact.

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Great question PCP, my son and I were just talking about this during muzzle loader week when we were hunting together.

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The land owners banned together and closed the rite of way to enter tva land. All that land just sits there now. Gotta have a boat to access it now.


But those land owners still have easy access to it - much like some of the .gov property out west is landlocked by private property owners. In this case the actions of a few allowed the locals reason to to gain control of public property.

I also believe the rising costs of land access will continue to keep people out of the woods. We have slowly been losing pieces of our lease and I hope we get to keep what we have left. Bottom line is it's the owners property to do with as he pleases, he can sell it if he wants, and with what it has sold for I can't really blame him.


So another question that I think of - Is this overall decline in deer hunting population an unintended consequence of QDMA? Is the increase in property costs related to the increase of quality bucks?

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I think that the DCNR will start doing more and more hunts on public land in that new program they started this year!! Few drawn to hunt selected areas!!

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Do you own your hunting property?

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Originally Posted By: judge sharpe
Preacher, Hunting now is better than it ever was in the old days. Back then I hunted quail mostly, and squirrels. When I was young I would go on dog drives down around Livingston and Demopolis, but Deer were almost non existent in north and central Alabama. If you saw a deer track you went and got the family and everyone was amazed. It was illegal to shoot does. No one hunted with a rifle and only Mr Hill hunted with a bow, and that was out of state.
I would love to take my grandson on one of the old fashioned quail hunts, with great dogs, and a wagon or jeep set up to chase the pointers, and the great comradery that we had back them. A kid was just as good as an adult except he had to wash dishes and fetch drinks. Cameron’s preserve in aliceville can hook you up on a old fashioned quail hunt.
I wish that the State would get serious about supporting hunting again and actually start to manage our resources.


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The gloomy future that I see for hunting has little to do with our current dcnr or qdma or anything like that. I have disagreed with policies at times, but I have absolutely no doubt that all or nearly all of the folks that work there are on the side of hunters. My concern is when the next generation, and the one after that comes along.

And my biggest concern is the overall politics of the USA. People who live their whole lives in cities and have no contact with rural life are far more likely to be against the idea of hunting. And when even the rural people don't hunt, it's just going to be harder to maintain it. Even Trump had to back down when they proposed allowing elephant hunting again. What happens when a majority of the people see deer in the same light as elephants?

I don't think my view is far-fetched, but I hope it is.

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Judge, Cameron’s preserve in aliceville can do a old fashion wagon hunt for you. Just don’t shoot over the limit. Extra birds are exspensive lol


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Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
The gloomy future that I see for hunting has little to do with our current dcnr or qdma or anything like that. I have disagreed with policies at times, but I have absolutely no doubt that all or nearly all of the folks that work there are on the side of hunters. My concern is when the next generation, and the one after that comes along.

And my biggest concern is the overall politics of the USA. People who live their whole lives in cities and have no contact with rural life are far more likely to be against the idea of hunting. And when even the rural people don't hunt, it's just going to be harder to maintain it. Even Trump had to back down when they proposed allowing elephant hunting again. What happens when a majority of the people see deer in the same light as elephants?

I don't think my view is far-fetched, but I hope it is.
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PCP may be correct. Fortunately I live in a fairly rural part of the state and even my friends that live in the city show some interest in hunting. I even take a couple every year to my place and I have yet to have someone not enjoy shooting a deer.

But there is an ever growing population that not only know nothing about what's beyond their city limits, but are also too ignorant and stubborn to try and experience any of it.

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I think the reason we are losing hunters at an alarming rate has nothing to do with stricter policies and everything to do with liberal policies.

We have a deer season that runs for 4 months straight with essentially no limit on "deer". You can shoot as many as you want really. You just have to stop at a certain number of bucks. Where I grew up that was not the case and that forced us to hunt different animals, ducks or geese or use different weapons like a Muzzleloader, late season bow hunt, etc.

What unlimited deer killing has done is breed an entire generation of hunters that start as a kid deer hunting too early, not small game hunting, and they run out and blast the first thing they see. They never really learn to hunt anything. We are just sitting in a shooting house those first 5-6 years they are hunting looking at a green field. They blast a lot of first deer, some get 30-40 first deer. Like first one over 60lbs. First Spike. First 4 point. First Cow Horn Spike. First Mature Doe, First one with a weighs over 100lbs. Of course their Daddy will pitch a dang full on hissy fit because... They NEVER shot one that big, etc. Folks like me are just a bunch of A-holes.

And then when they get tired of shooting deer and actually hunt they haven't learned anything. And now they are in their teens. They are waiting on a buck looking at a field and they don't have the attention span and after a season or two they pretty much lose all interest in it.

Why?

Because they never see any mature deer because everyone blasts them before they get that big. They don't understand how to hunt. They sit for a couple more seasons get into high school and figure out about girls and football games, etc. They lose more interest almost completely.

When they are 30 years old they have pretty much lost ALL interest in it and just think they want to go out and shoot one for "Meat". They go hunt grandpa's place, don't buy a license because they want to claim they own the land, shoot the first yearling that steps out and that's deer hunting for the season.

That's how I see it, not like a lot of y'all.

Instead of dragging my kid to the shooting house I've been in the woods squirrel hunting with them. We've stalked some rabbits in the garden. Shot a couple doves off a limb, etc.

My kids are not going to get bored. And when they start deer hunting they aren't going to just go out and blast deer. They'll be hunting instead. Probably out of a Ladder Stand in the woods. We are going to have some close encounters, probably get winded and busted moving, etc. That's what makes someone a hunter. I learned to sit still squirrel hunting before my Daddy would ever take me deer hunting with him. And that was early for me but I pretty much lived in the woods growing up. And maybe they'll turn out to be a waterfowl hunter and not like deer hunting that much. That's ok too. But they'll be able to walk out on to a piece of property hang a stand and kill a buck even if they do.

What most of y'all are talking about with kids and why they don't love it... is not hunting it is just shooting something and maybe hanging out at the camp house and having a sleepover. A significant portion won't stick with it. Does not surprise me AT ALL.

RANT OVER.


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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
I think the reason we are losing hunters at an alarming rate has nothing to do with stricter policies and everything to do with liberal policies.

We have a deer season that runs for 4 months straight with essentially no limit on "deer". You can shoot as many as you want really. You just have to stop at a certain number of bucks. Where I grew up that was not the case and that forced us to hunt different animals, ducks or geese or use different weapons like a Muzzleloader, late season bow hunt, etc.

What unlimited deer killing has done is breed an entire generation of hunters that start as a kid deer hunting too early, not small game hunting, and they run out and blast the first thing they see. They never really learn to hunt anything. We are just sitting in a shooting house those first 5-6 years they are hunting looking at a green field. They blast a lot of first deer, some get 30-40 first deer. Like first one over 60lbs. First Spike. First 4 point. First Cow Horn Spike. First Mature Doe, First one with a weighs over 100lbs. Of course their Daddy will pitch a dang full on hissy fit because... They NEVER shot one that big, etc. Folks like me are just a bunch of A-holes.

And then when they get tired of shooting deer and actually hunt they haven't learned anything. And now they are in their teens. They are waiting on a buck looking at a field and they don't have the attention span and after a season or two they pretty much lose all interest in it.

Why?

Because they never see any mature deer because everyone blasts them before they get that big. They don't understand how to hunt. They sit for a couple more seasons get into high school and figure out about girls and football games, etc. They lose more interest almost completely.

When they are 30 years old they have pretty much lost ALL interest in it and just think they want to go out and shoot one for "Meat". They go hunt grandpa's place, don't buy a license because they want to claim they own the land, shoot the first yearling that steps out and that's deer hunting for the season.

That's how I see it, not like a lot of y'all.

Instead of dragging my kid to the shooting house I've been in the woods squirrel hunting with them. We've stalked some rabbits in the garden. Shot a couple doves off a limb, etc.

My kids are not going to get bored. And when they start deer hunting they aren't going to just go out and blast deer. They'll be hunting instead. Probably out of a Ladder Stand in the woods. We are going to have some close encounters, probably get winded and busted moving, etc. That's what makes someone a hunter. I learned to sit still squirrel hunting before my Daddy would ever take me deer hunting with him. And that was early for me but I pretty much lived in the woods growing up. And maybe they'll turn out to be a waterfowl hunter and not like deer hunting that much. That's ok too. But they'll be able to walk out on to a piece of property hang a stand and kill a buck even if they do.

What most of y'all are talking about with kids and why they don't love it... is not hunting it is just shooting something and maybe hanging out at the camp house and having a sleepover. A significant portion won't stick with it. Does not surprise me AT ALL.

RANT OVER.


Bravo sir, well done. I 100% agree.

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I will remain a trophy hunter and QDM practitioner till Kingdom come.


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