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Thanks. any point in including wheat and oats?

Ehhh....Cereal rye does the best in poor soil conditions so your best bet to get some yield is probably with it. Once you get things looking better then you could add in some oats. I think they�re probably the most attractive cereal grain.

If you have time and just want to�.you could pull a drag back across the field after lightly disking and it would probably help make a little better seed bed. Just go over the vegetation in the same direction you laid it down. A piece of chain link fence works well. Just assess what it looks like and make the decision.

New to this process, be patient while I ask a few.
Like most folks, I've always disced in my seeds but thought I would try this process. I want to drive thru plot and spray everything good first, come back in a couple weeks and spread my seeds with 4 wheeler spreader but do I spread fertilizer now or wait? Should I drag over grass to lay it down to cover seed or leave it standing up? When would you start process in South Alabama weather?

I usually plant somewhere between the 3rd week of Sept � 1st week of Oct�.it�s ok to plant later than that but I wouldn�t go much earlier. I usually watch for a season changing cold front associated with rain. You're probably just as well to wait and spray the field after you drag over it and press the vegetation. You may need a little weight to your drag depending on what the vegetation looks like too. Just spread the fertilizer when you spread your seed. If you just wanted to you could go ahead and spread the P&K now but I�d wait on the nitrogen until planting time.

I thought if you sprayed gly on seeds, it would kill it.

No, it won't hurt it. Spraying immediately after seeding is fine.

Got some pics but don't know how to post em.I cleared all of the old debris off last year and have graded it with landscape rakes twice and bush hogged a few times in the past 2 years. The soil isn't great it's basically chert all the way through,but I have planted green fields in 2 areas that did OK,but this year was wanting to do the entire thing. How do get some pics to ya?

Try using imgur�.It�s really simple.

The biggest root cause for most any of these fields is gonna be the lack of adequate organic matter in the soil. Our traditional techniques of heavily tilling fields until we work them down to a pristine powder burns up all the organic matter in the soil. Breaking it down so finely and mixing it in the soil until it �looks pretty� will cause most folks to start running a deficit. Over time it slowly decreases to none. This is something you can have tested for a few bucks and see for yourself.

The symptoms change as soil types change. In sandy soils, lack of OM kills the soil�s nutrient and water holding capacity. Sand has virtually no holding capacity so the OM is really all you�ve got to rely on. Without it, fields become very dry and very inefficient at holding nutrients and transferring those nutrients to the plants. As you add more clay to a soil though the issues change. Clay has the ability to hold nutrients and water but without the OM the clay particles become tight and compacted. The OM is what keeps the soil loose and what gives the soil some structure. Most of Alfisher�s issues are likely due to the physical properties of the soil and not the chemical. Even if you came in a ripped that field with deep tillage this year, you will need to change techniques long term or you will continue to be right back where you started. The only thing that is gonna change the physical properties of that soil long term is 1) Plant root structure 2) Increase in soil OM

I didn't get to lime this May/June like I normally do. Any harm in going ahead and putting some out now, and then begin the throw and mow process above? My ph is 6.1. Someone told me you can burn up your seed, etc. If it rains, I fail to see how that is possible, but I am not a farmer.

Ok, couldn't figure out how to get pics posted but sprayed entire field today. ..now what

Now you wait until toward the end of Sept when the weather cools off a little and some good rain is forecasted. You can check it in a couple of weeks and see if you missed any spots spraying.

BTW...I would recommend that you use a lot of cereal rye in your mix. It'll stand the best chance of having success in your situation if everything isn't perfect.

What is this plant?

I picked up a couple bags of leftover seeds in February and spread them in April. Though mostly rye grass had a little of other stuff. Wondering if this is fox tail weed or something of food value to the deer.

Not sure on that one Cathead....Pictures on the net do look like foxtail though.

There's a lot of it and only in the field and not in the 20' border. But the border is mowed lower and more often than twice a year.

Hoping Harvey comes through with some rain up here. Went ahead and put a throw and mow plot out this weekend on some family land that is a secondary hunting location for me. I know its early but I am gambling on the heat staying away and somewhat regular rain. Its a pain getting the tractor out to my club and this land, so since I was bushhogging our club plots went ahead with the throw and mow.

I put it in a formerly swampy area that hadn't been bushhogged in 10-15 years; it's finally dried out the past few years. We had it cut with a big tractor about six weeks ago which left 3-5 inches of biomass on the surface. It had grown almost knee high since it was cut. I broadcast 150 lbs of a mix of wheat, bob oats, and winter peas on Saturday and hogged it down with my little JD 750 and 4 ft hog yesterday. Seed got covered really well. If we get the rain this week I am optimistic.

If it doesn't turn out, all I'm out is about 3 gallons of diesel, $60 in seed, and about 3 hours. I'm cool with that, so we'll see.

Sounds like that should be pretty promising ....C'mon rain!...I need some down this way. Getting a little dry here now.

Field after throwed 8/26 and mowed 8/28

Needs some feet and lime next. Question - if a threw on this past weekend and buddy mowed on Tuesday can I spray on this Sat and what strength of gly should I spray?

Ewwww, that would be iffy if you�re getting hit with this rain. You�d probably be fine but I�d sure survey the field real good first and see if you have any seed sprouting. If that second pic is the final product then I�d probably mow over it again spreading out those wind rows and processing that grass better. Try to make it look something similar to the pic below. See how the hay is nicely spread. That�s what will help you get a nice even stand. This is actually rye mowed down in the spring but I'm just using it as an example of what you want it to look like.....

I'll leave it be and make do with what sprouts. I am at the mercy of my nice landowner that does the bush hogging. While there are yards and landscaping around, the nearest other green field is about a mile away. So putting 4lbs of clover with a little chicory and 4lbs of oats with some rape and turnips should be ok if I just go with some additions and hope for steady rains. Some might be smothered and other uncovered but it's not built for perfection just to attract