I have places that very few doe have ever been killed per landowner request. Population dropped dramatically but seems to have leveled or turned slightly back up.

Let me pose a question: A prominent farmer allows you to hunt his property. Has for years and asked for nothing in return. One day he approaches you about the crop damage the deer are causing. Ask you to kill every one you see. Said he would get permits for nights and summers. If I didn't do it, someone else would. After this guy has done so much for you, who would tell him no? Now, like the place that had no does killed, the population is very low. But the farmer died, land sold, and I no longer hunt it.

The point is, its a complete mortality rate. Hunters normally can only do so much. But combine hunters, coyotes, natural death, car accidents, etc.is the real deal. Take one away, pops. naturally do better. Take hunter OR coyotes away and pops do ALOT better. But its not just one that has done this to the herd in my area.

On the flip side, I have places the pop. is probably as good as it has been in my life.