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I know this has been discussed before to some degree, but has anyone actually ever shot a deer over fertilized native vegetation (honeysuckle, etc.)? I suppose the logic would be to try to concentrate deer when the area is mainly timber and timber/topography bottlenecks may be far and few between and plots are not an option.
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I've fertilized kudzu, blackberries, Florida pusley and honey suckle. I'll admit I never hunted over it. I did it for general health of the herd. Having multiple healthy food sources promotes movement from bedding areas to feed and movement to different areas. These trails and near bedding areas are where I hunt. Getting them up and moving is the key to killing them.
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I've fertilized honeysuckle, blackberries, greenbriar, etc. but not to hunt over. You do it in the spring to benefit herd health, pregnant does and antler growth
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Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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I ask because that was a recommendation made by Dr. Grant Woods on his Facebook Live Q&A session this evening. He was specifically talking about doing that to hunt over, not just deer health. Of course, he was answering quickly and on the fly and may not be anything he's personally done before.
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Joe, Doctor Woods is for any and everything you can do ,but supplemental feeding. Fertilizing helps provide higher quality and more nutrients on your property. Having plenty to eat keeps deer on your place. If they have bedding forage and water, they will stay there. This is one of the main reasons I believe in summer plots. If they get accustomed to eating All their meals on your place the does will set up housekeeping. Does = Bucks during the rut. A lot of guys say it's a waste of time to fertilize oaks, but I've seen acorn production go crazy when a tree has been fertilized.
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Perch, other than me, your the only one i ever heard of to fetilize kudzu. My understanding is that you can raise the protein level to 16% on honeysuckle with an early spring fertilization.
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Does Kudzu actually need any help to grow?
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Does Kudzu actually need any help to grow? Yes, if someone really pisses you off and they own land, go in at night and plant kudzu. Fertilize well and sit back. Its the gift that keeps on giving.
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has anyone actually ever shot a deer over fertilized native vegetation Thousands of people do it every year. A whole bunch on here do it. Most of them never realize it though.
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I'm not going to openly disagree with Dr. Woods. I didn't hear the full context of his statement. I agree with perch that he probably advocates for doing anything you can. However, I think that money would be better spent elsewhere in most cases. The argument against fertilizing native vegetation is that those plants have already adapted to grow well in the soil conditions where they live. It makes sense to me. The only circumstance under which I would spend money fertilizing native browse is if I had completed all of the other habitat improvements that I desired. Habitat improvement doesn't have to be massive projects that cost lots of money. It can be simple projects like strip discing to promote vegetation growth or hinge cutting undesired hardwoods to promote bedding areas. I think most people could get more bang for their buck by spending money on other habitat improvements versus fertilizing native browse.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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I'm not going to openly disagree with Dr. Woods. I didn't hear the full context of his statement. I agree with perch that he probably advocates for doing anything you can. However, I think that money would be better spent elsewhere in most cases. The argument against fertilizing native vegetation is that those plants have already adapted to grow well in the soil conditions where they live. It makes sense to me. The only circumstance under which I would spend money fertilizing native browse is if I had completed all of the other habitat improvements that I desired. Habitat improvement doesn't have to be massive projects that cost lots of money. It can be simple projects like strip discing to promote vegetation growth or hinge cutting undesired hardwoods to promote bedding areas. I think most people could get more bang for their buck by spending money on other habitat improvements versus fertilizing native browse. I concur and agree! Great suggestions. Fertilizing is short lived unless you keep it up and that can run into real $. Too many other things can be done much cheaper , but may require some work.
"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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I'm not going to openly disagree with Dr. Woods. I didn't hear the full context of his statement. I agree with perch that he probably advocates for doing anything you can. However, I think that money would be better spent elsewhere in most cases. The argument against fertilizing native vegetation is that those plants have already adapted to grow well in the soil conditions where they live. It makes sense to me. The only circumstance under which I would spend money fertilizing native browse is if I had completed all of the other habitat improvements that I desired. Habitat improvement doesn't have to be massive projects that cost lots of money. It can be simple projects like strip discing to promote vegetation growth or hinge cutting undesired hardwoods to promote bedding areas. I think most people could get more bang for their buck by spending money on other habitat improvements versus fertilizing native browse. way back in the day, I had a lease on DMP and Bill Gray was our guy advising us. He recommended fertilizing native browse in early to late spring. The reason was to provide food with at least 16% protein to provide proper nutrition for antler growth
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Don't under estimate spot fertilization on preferred browse. Cows know what part of a field has been treated.
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When they wind row a cutover I fertilizer the honeysuckle on the humps. I put up a tripod and see plenty of deer
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I'm not going to openly disagree with Dr. Woods. I didn't hear the full context of his statement. I agree with perch that he probably advocates for doing anything you can. However, I think that money would be better spent elsewhere in most cases. The argument against fertilizing native vegetation is that those plants have already adapted to grow well in the soil conditions where they live. It makes sense to me. The only circumstance under which I would spend money fertilizing native browse is if I had completed all of the other habitat improvements that I desired. Habitat improvement doesn't have to be massive projects that cost lots of money. It can be simple projects like strip discing to promote vegetation growth or hinge cutting undesired hardwoods to promote bedding areas. I think most people could get more bang for their buck by spending money on other habitat improvements versus fertilizing native browse. Context is quite important in this case. The question was...what could be done on public land (supplemental feeding, plots, etc.). Dr. Woods first said that in most states you can't do anything legally on state/federal land. A couple minutes later he went back to that question and said he wasn't sure, but it might be legal to fertilize native vegetation on public land in some states. The idea being that the deer would be able to tell the difference and it "might help" with hunting public land. Other hunters would probably walk right past the patch of whatever you fertilized and never know the difference.
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Dr. Woods' response to that particular question is spot on. I'd bet if he were asked to rank habitat improvement projects with a cost - benefit analysis, fertilizing natural browse would be lower on the list than other things.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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I'm not going to openly disagree with Dr. Woods. I didn't hear the full context of his statement. I agree with perch that he probably advocates for doing anything you can. However, I think that money would be better spent elsewhere in most cases. The argument against fertilizing native vegetation is that those plants have already adapted to grow well in the soil conditions where they live. It makes sense to me. The only circumstance under which I would spend money fertilizing native browse is if I had completed all of the other habitat improvements that I desired. Habitat improvement doesn't have to be massive projects that cost lots of money. It can be simple projects like strip discing to promote vegetation growth or hinge cutting undesired hardwoods to promote bedding areas. I think most people could get more bang for their buck by spending money on other habitat improvements versus fertilizing native browse. way back in the day, I had a lease on DMP and Bill Gray was our guy advising us. He recommended fertilizing native browse in early to late spring. The reason was to provide food with at least 16% protein to provide proper nutrition for antler growth Yep
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Dr. Woods' response to that particular question is spot on. I'd bet if he were asked to rank habitat improvement projects with a cost - benefit analysis, fertilizing natural browse would be lower on the list than other things. Yep, I don't think I've ever had him mention fertilizing native browse when other options are available (private land).
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I've fertilized kudzu, blackberries, Florida pusley and honey suckle. I'll admit I never hunted over it. I did it for general health of the herd. Having multiple healthy food sources promotes movement from bedding areas to feed and movement to different areas. These trails and near bedding areas are where I hunt. Getting them up and moving is the key to killing them. I've fertilized blackberries to try and boost output. My friend picks all my blackberries to make pies and jam. Yum for me. 
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