JR Holmes Oil Company </a </a Shark Guard REST NEST MATTRESS Mayer Insurance Services LLC
Serious Deer Talk
what deer see
by johndeere5036 - 08/27/26 09:43 PM
First fawn!
by ronfromramer - 08/27/26 10:50 AM
Cattle for deer habitat improvement
by CNC - 08/27/26 09:16 AM
New SOAs?
by !shiloh! - 08/26/26 12:26 PM
Leafy suit ground hunting
by murf205 - 08/24/26 02:23 PM
LOGIN to view CLASSIFIEDS
Land, Leases, Hunting Clubs
Winston County club taking 2 members
by FreeStateHunter - 08/19/26 12:22 PM
NWA Hunt Club in Vernon/Sulligent area
by ScoutsOut - 08/18/26 07:54 AM
2 Spots Open Perry Co Club
by rja - 08/16/26 03:40 PM
Any clubs around Auburn looking for members
by Brady45 - 08/10/26 07:42 PM
Looking for a Club or Lease
by Turkeyhunter12 - 07/31/26 12:18 PM
August
S M T W T F S
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31
Who's Online Now
66 members (AU338MAG, Irishguy, TEM, S_Dubs, AU7MM08, rutwad, Bread, fillmore, gman, TheVern, JHL, Bowfish, DoubleShoalsJR, Tall Dog, bamafan1966, Frankie, Chiller, MoeBuck, sawdust, GATA87, Dragfan66, JohnG, wyattd, Carp54, k bush, CatfishJunkie, outdoorguy88, Gunpowder, Jbf, RCHRR, Kennnn, BamaPlowboy, Parker243, Kang, shootnmiss, kyles, TideWJO, Bustinbeards, Borty, Bruno, SC53, Koba, Chaser357, rrice0725, tightwads, abolt300, CAL, 000buck, Flyliner, CAM, gobblebox, Paint Rock 00, 3Gs, Six shooter, Geeb, VERACITY, demop_native, 9 invisible), 814 guests, and 0 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 25,132
Likes: 143
Freak of Nature
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 25,132
Likes: 143

Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
I found this clip. I could not find the one with Will Clark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9iZnqGMvY


I didn't watch it but give a big league hitter a little practice time and they'd wind up killing one of those girls. It's the different delivery and arm angle. When Nomo and Fernando first came to the big leagues they gave hitters fits because their delivery looked so different. After a couple of years they got used to it.


" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
Bama_Earl
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 941
C
6 point
6 point
C Offline
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 941
Thanks MMan, that's what was wanting to see.

Chad


The only reason I hunt ducks is to watch the dogs work.

Good boy Jock
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 75
S
spike
spike
S Offline
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 75
Originally Posted By: doekiller
70 mph for a 10 year old is about normal for a good pitcher. So the softball pitcher isn't any different for the age.



There in NO softball pitcher throwing 70 at 10 years old. As a matter of fact, if someone told me that their 12 year old daughter could throw 70 I would take that bet for at least $1000, any day of the week. The best pitcher in the history of softball, Jenny Finch, averaged around 70 +/- as an adult. My daughter throws 45- 50 at 12 years old and she is above average for sure. Once a girl breaks 50, additional MPH are VERY hard to come by. If they add 3 MPH each year until they are 18, they have become VERY good.

A 10 year old baseball player that can throw 70 would be an absolute FREAK of nature. I'm not going to say that they do not exist but I would have a better chance of riding the space shuttle than actually meeting one. 55 MPH is absolutely bringing the heat at 10 years old as a baseball pitcher. The best pitchers in baseball don't typically see 70 MPH until 8th or 9th grade. The best pitcher on the #1 ranked 14U travel team in the state, averages around 72 on his fastball.

Last edited by SkiTar; 05/04/17 06:58 AM.
SkiTar #2106077 05/04/17 07:33 AM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,819
Likes: 25
K
14 point
14 point
K Online: Content
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,819
Likes: 25
Originally Posted By: SkiTar
Originally Posted By: doekiller
70 mph for a 10 year old is about normal for a good pitcher. So the softball pitcher isn't any different for the age.



There in NO softball pitcher throwing 70 at 10 years old. As a matter of fact, if someone told me that their 12 year old daughter could throw 70 I would take that bet for at least $1000, any day of the week. The best pitcher in the history of softball, Jenny F6inch, averaged around 70 +/- as an adult. My daughter throws 45- 50 at 12 years old and she is above average for sure. Once a girl breaks 50, additional MPH are VERY hard to come by. If they add 3 MPH each year until they are 18, they have become VERY good.

A 10 year old baseball player that can throw 70 would be an absolute FREAK of nature. I'm not going to say that they do not exist but I would have a better chance of riding the space shuttle than actually meeting one. 55 MPH is absolutely bringing the heat at 10 years old as a baseball pitcher. The best pitchers in baseball don't typically see 70 MPH until 8th or 9th grade. The best pitcher on the #1 ranked 14U travel team in the state, averages around 72 on his fastball.


Jenny Finch is no longer the GOAT, she's been replaced by Monica Abbot.


"Cull" is just another four letter word...
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 29,728
Likes: 165
Freak of Nature
Freak of Nature
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 29,728
Likes: 165
Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
They had a lady Olympic softball pitcher throwing to Will Clark in his hay day. She made him LOOK BAD! This was on one of those sports science shows.


I've been around Will Clark some and I can only imagine the words he said. Foulest mouthed individual I think I've ever known. He would cuss about not being able to think of another cuss word.


Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 13,752
Likes: 257
A
Booner
Booner
A Online: Content
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 13,752
Likes: 257
Give Will Clark a month to get the pitch recognition and swing down and he'd hit 99 out of a 100 out even at his age now. Its the delivery that causes baseball players problems. You will never see a baseball rise. Baseball players eyes are trained to read and track the balls movement from high to low. Softball delivery is low to high. It's just a totally different game. The girls can definitely make the guys look bad the first time they see it but it wouldn't take them long to make the adjustments to kill it if they wanted to and got serious about it.

SkiTar #2106159 05/04/17 09:02 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 13,752
Likes: 257
A
Booner
Booner
A Online: Content
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 13,752
Likes: 257
Originally Posted By: SkiTar
Originally Posted By: doekiller
70 mph for a 10 year old is about normal for a good pitcher. So the softball pitcher isn't any different for the age.



There in NO softball pitcher throwing 70 at 10 years old. As a matter of fact, if someone told me that their 12 year old daughter could throw 70 I would take that bet for at least $1000, any day of the week. The best pitcher in the history of softball, Jenny Finch, averaged around 70 +/- as an adult. My daughter throws 45- 50 at 12 years old and she is above average for sure. Once a girl breaks 50, additional MPH are VERY hard to come by. If they add 3 MPH each year until they are 18, they have become VERY good.

A 10 year old baseball player that can throw 70 would be an absolute FREAK of nature. I'm not going to say that they do not exist but I would have a better chance of riding the space shuttle than actually meeting one. 55 MPH is absolutely bringing the heat at 10 years old as a baseball pitcher. The best pitchers in baseball don't typically see 70 MPH until 8th or 9th grade. The best pitcher on the #1 ranked 14U travel team in the state, averages around 72 on his fastball.


If the best pitcher on the #1 ranked 14U travel team averages 72, he throws nothing but junk, there's not much baseball talent in AL or you're playing in a very low classification. Betting money that it is the latter. When my oldest son played 14U he was 77-78 consistently and all 6 of our pitchers threw 70+. We played teams from south FL and GA at every tournament that had kids throwing in the low 80's consistently. Come over to NW or South FL or head on over to East Cobb and play in the "major" division and you'll see every pitcher out there breaking 72 with most in the high 70's low 80's with junk.

Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,814
14 point
14 point
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,814
Yes it was Chad. I don't think you could have blown any harder trying to get it over! Lol. Girls pitching 50+ in 12u are few and far between. Kaitlynns hit 51 but average is probably 47.


Free men aren't equal and equal men aren't free! I choose to defend my freedom!
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 75
S
spike
spike
S Offline
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 75
Originally Posted By: abolt300
Originally Posted By: SkiTar
Originally Posted By: doekiller
70 mph for a 10 year old is about normal for a good pitcher. So the softball pitcher isn't any different for the age.



There in NO softball pitcher throwing 70 at 10 years old. As a matter of fact, if someone told me that their 12 year old daughter could throw 70 I would take that bet for at least $1000, any day of the week. The best pitcher in the history of softball, Jenny Finch, averaged around 70 +/- as an adult. My daughter throws 45- 50 at 12 years old and she is above average for sure. Once a girl breaks 50, additional MPH are VERY hard to come by. If they add 3 MPH each year until they are 18, they have become VERY good.

A 10 year old baseball player that can throw 70 would be an absolute FREAK of nature. I'm not going to say that they do not exist but I would have a better chance of riding the space shuttle than actually meeting one. 55 MPH is absolutely bringing the heat at 10 years old as a baseball pitcher. The best pitchers in baseball don't typically see 70 MPH until 8th or 9th grade. The best pitcher on the #1 ranked 14U travel team in the state, averages around 72 on his fastball.


If the best pitcher on the #1 ranked 14U travel team averages 72, he throws nothing but junk, there's not much baseball talent in AL or you're playing in a very low classification. Betting money that it is the latter. When my oldest son played 14U he was 77-78 consistently and all 6 of our pitchers threw 70+. We played teams from south FL and GA at every tournament that had kids throwing in the low 80's consistently. Come over to NW or South FL or head on over to East Cobb and play in the "major" division and you'll see every pitcher out there breaking 72 with most in the high 70's low 80's with junk.


The two best 14U teams in Alabama, in the "Major" division, are Alabama Elite and the Birmingham Believers. I know most of their kids and I know for fact that they aren't throwing in the 80's. They are throwing in the low to mid 70's at best. As a mater of fact, two of the best pitchers on the Dulins Dodgers out of Memphis ( possibly the best team in the southeast), are from here in Birmingham. I know them well and if they are throwing 80+ I would have to see it on a radar gun to believe it. Also, Keep in mind that the kids I'm talking about are the top 1% of pitchers in the state. Not even close to being "average".

A 75 MPH fastball looks WAY faster than a 72 MPH fastball. I think what happens is that a bunch of parents are standing around watching a tournament game and in comes this pitcher throwing 73 -75, well it looks SO MUCH faster than anything they have seen all day so someone pipes up and says "hes got to be breaking 80" without ever seeing him on a radar gun. That's how rumors and myths about 14 year olds that throw as hard as the pros get started.

At all Birmingham Barons games, they put the pitch speed up on the big screen after every pitch. Most of these minor league pitchers are averaging 88 - 92 on their fastball. Can they bump 94- 95 every once and while, yes, but it certainly isn't their average. There is no way a 14 year old is with-in 10 MPH of those guys.

Last edited by SkiTar; 05/05/17 04:02 AM.
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 12,018
on probation
on probation
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 12,018
You very seldom see a girl of any age pitching 70mph but when you do its college.A 10yr old girl usually averages anywhere between 38-43mph,a 12yr old usually anywhere between 44-50mph..That is according to size and strength but the fastest we've ever seen in 12u travel ball playing A class ball all across the state and also a World Series with teams from all across the country is about 53mph.Our pitcher is a beast of a girl..about 5'8 150+lbs..She's big and strong and the fastest she's been clocked is 52mph at 12yrs old.Average pitch speed for college pitchers is probably around 62-63mph.

Page 2 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
http://www.aldeer.com/" Aldeer.com Copyright 2001-2026 Aldeer LLP.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0
(Release build 20240826)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.4.33 Page Time: 2.033s Queries: 35 (0.026s) Memory: 3.1264 MB (Peak: 3.5603 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2026-08-28 11:06:16 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS