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Back in the good ol' days the boys in the white hoods might have visited BradB over this. Just to get him re-focused.

That would get his mind right..........................

Possible scenario:
I've got a landowner who has 1,500 acres with a 320 outparcel inside it and an easement to this 320 and the 4 acres it contains. He is extremely pissed that the guy from Florida who owns the 320 continually kills "his" deer (that he spends a TON of money managing) using standard Florida tactics in Alabama - baiting, jacklighting, shooting all the young bucks, killing every doe they see, etc... Since 1) they ARE his deer and 2) the 320 is FAR less than the average home range of any deer in Alabama, so no deer "live" on his place, he plans on putting corn feeders every 200 yds around this property line and notify the game warden that he believes the Florida guy is hunting over "feed" that he is feeding his deer with. He will still have plenty of area to hunt that are not considered "baited" but the "little" guy with the 320 should be significantly limited in whether he can hunt at all.

Oh, and the guy who owns the 4 ac inside the 320, it's his manager who is trying to help the deer by planting good crops and he gets to hunt the 1,500 acres anytime he wants.

Just downright rediculous!!!!That just ain't no way to be.Just because the guy wasn't fortunate enough for his family to leave him alotta land you gonna make it even harder on him to try and hunt what little land he has?Just pituful...Brad,put yourself in his shoes..what if that's all you had to hunt was 4 acres behind your house..would you want your neighboring landowner to do you that way? ..I doubt it.Maybe the guy can't afford to get in a club,or it may be that he don't wanna get in a club to avoid D**CKS like you

i pretty sure bradb isnt even reading this anymore.
is it possible to vote to ban someone?

I seem to remember a large landowner(timber co??) that had several thousand acres in south Alabama. Someone owned a 40acre plot inside the land, had a greenfield on every corner of the 40 and killed everything that came across the line. Large landowner fenced around the 40, gave the 40 owner a key to all gates leading to the 40. Nothing could be done about that....

troy

And that Fred is perfect example of what my situation is, just on a smaller scale. Yeah cj7 I am still here, this has been one of the most enlightening discussions I have seen on here for a while. I am honored to have started a topic that ranks right up there with season extensions, antler restrictions, dog hunting and whether food plots are baiting. After several years of following this forum I had absolutely no idea how many selfless, caring/sharing kinda guys there were on here who would welcome the opportunity to have a corn patch and a shooting house that could easily be hunted 7 days a week show up in the middle of their property. My hat is off to you guys. I will admit it, I am a selfish pig who believes that the fruit of my labor, money and time ought to get picked by me or my guests.Based on most of these posts I am amazed more of you guys aren't up in New York Occupying Wall Street and demanding your fair share of the goodies produced by others.

Being one of them darn Floridians I also had no idea that proper conflict resolution in Alabama should involve roofing tacks, trespassing, destruction of property, people with sheets over their head threatening physical violence and various other felonies and misdemeanors. I guess instead of looking for a legal manner to resolve this I should have just tacked his driveway, burnt the shooting house down and maybe shot his dog just for good measure. That would show the SOB.Unfortunately, actions like these can turn out to be a very sharp two edged sword and I think will leave them be unless first initiated by the other party.I find it a little ironic that cj7 would like to ban me for my opinion but he is all good with those suggesting criminal acts.

I do want you fellas to know that after reading the posts and thinking about it, I agree that the feeder idea was wrong.I am a pretty strong advocate of a property owners right to fully enjoy all the legal benefits of his property and for me to prevent him from hunting would indeed be wrong. So I am not going to do anything that would prevent him from sitting in that box and shooting every deer that walks into that cornfield.I also will talk to him next trip and if he can look me in the eye and give me his word that he won't pull the trigger on anything other than a mature buck he may actually see a deer in his field, otherwise he can sit there all season but I do not think he will be seeing much.

Now that we all have had our emotional venting I want to do a little math and see if you guys can answer a question or two without name calling and threats.

Assuming a a 325 acre property and a deer density of 25 Deer/Sq Mile(very optimistic)or about 1 deer/ 26 acres there ought to be a grand total of about 12 or so deer living on that land. I provide the resources necessary to produce and support approximatley 11.9 of those deer, he provides the resources for .10 deer.Actually since his property consists of a yard and an open field he does not really contribute anything, but we are just having fun here. A reasonably sustainable harvest would probably be 25-30% of the herd so there really should only be 3 or 4 deer taken off both properties. Thats the math now here are the questions.

1.I would love to hear rational and logical explanations of why do most of you have the opinion that my neighbor has some inherent moral right to benefit from a limited resource when he has little if any investment in the production of that resource. Since ya'll seem to be into "FAIR", what would you consider a fair distribution of the resource and why. How many of you would structure a business deal where a 1% investor would be given the potential to put 100% of the return in his pocket.

2. At what point does his right to enjoy and benefit from the land he owns trump my right to enjoy and benefit from mine.

Remember now, grade school is over, so enough name calling and threats. I have shared my reasoning for my opinion on this, see if you can do the same. Have a great week-end.

Sounds like you need to build that fence. But not just around "Mr. 4 acres", all the way around your 320 so your deer will stay your deer. You sure wouldn't want your other neighbors deer coming on your place. At what point does YOUR right to enjoyment trump his right to enjoyment?

If you inherited the land, he may have more "Investment" in his "Resources" than you?

Not that it matters, but an investment is relative.

Brad,give it up man..do whatever the hell makes you happy.The guy has 4 acres to hunt.What does it matter if he's benefitting from you?Hell I benefit from my neighbors cause they spend more money on better food plots than I do.They eat good over there and I shoot em when they cross the property line to come bed down.Is that wrong of me?Just let the guy hunt his 4 acres and be thankful you have somewhere to hunt.

Nice discussion especially the part about the neighbor only being allowed to shoot what you want him to shoot instead of any legal deer. You do understand that he can only shoot 3 bucks legally just like you, which from your comments appears to be the only thing that you are concerned about. With ya'll only shooting 3 legal bucks each that's only 6 bucks. Oh but I forgot that you want to let other people hunt on your property and kill additional deer that may come from other peoples properties around you that may manage their property and deer herd more than you.

Yep, you need to do the high fence thing around all of your property and call it by the QDMA name of "exclosure" because you don't want any of those inferior genes polluting your well managed gene pool and keep all of those domesticted deer on your property.

Otherwise, you are going to be one sad camper all season. Also, you probably should not worry too much about the dog hunters running your property when you are not there, another vote for high fencing your place. Is there a public road that borders the place because I understand that people ride around at night with spotlights and shoot deer also. Wait a minute a high fence with black out fabric on it might solve that problem.

Yep, high fence is your answer to keep all of YOUR deer on your property.

I have one question. How is your neighbor suppose to kill .10 of your deer? Is he suppose to shoot a deer you wound that makes it to his field and therefore he finishes it off to get his(your) .10 of a deer. If you can explain that one to me I would love to hear it. Also being this is Alabama, Mr. 4 acres can leagally shoot 2 deer a day which I hope he does.
With all your complaining about your neighbor, why don't you just sell your 320 go buy something in another state rather than AL and take your greedy A!@ back to Florida and stay out of our state. It's people like you that give our hunters a bad name.

One last thing......I hope you are there when your neighbor gets his .10 deer. Be sure to take pics. Also, please post pics so we can all see a .10 deer. I am anxious to see pics of a .10 deer and I am sure I am not the only one!!

1. It is not a Manufacturing or Retail Business. He is evidently putting a better product out for the deer than you, if the deer are going to visit his 4 acres instead of your sprawling 320 acres. What is the total acreage you have PLANTED? And what percentage of your property is planted? What percentage of his property is planted?

2. How is his right TRUMPING yours? Its NOT, can you not still hunt your land? Is his personal freedoms overriding yours? NO.

BradB here is your rational and logical explanation of why your neighbor has some inherent moral right to benefit from a limited resource when he has little if any investment in the production of that resource. The deed to that four acres he is on is in his name at the court house. He can do as he pleases. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Get over it or invest in your own QDMA program you obviously have been GIVEN alot more resourses.

Ow by the way my nieghbor builds high fences, I would be happy to give you his number since this is the only solution to your problem.

PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTY. Ever hear of that? No one owns the deer on their property. They belong to the state. If I am wrong on "deer" ownership, let me know. There are a few guys in Chambers County killing "my" deer if that is the case, and I want to do something about it.

What I find humorous about this is that Brad is getting his panties all in a wad without any allowance or understanding of deer behavior. He seems to think that 4 acre deer hunter with the one acre food plot has a magic formula that will make deer stupid and draw them in by the dozens and allow the man to stack them up like cordwood. It just won't happen.

The truth is after a deer or two are shot from the stand, the daytime sightings will become much more scarce. The hard fact is that a heavily hunted one acre plot will not even allow someone to dream of putting a dent in the population.

Now, if the 4 acre hunter knew what he was doing, he would only sit in his blind with the right wind direction and would hold out for a deer he really wants to kill.

Knowing him personally I can say without any shadow of a doubt that Brad B is ANYTHING but a greedy hunter... he (having never met me) invited me to hunt his property for free when ever i so chose, in exchange for a few days of work out of the year because he knew that i could not afford a lease... he also has good relations with every other property owner around him (with regards to management practices) i have read so many posts on this web site about folk bit*hing and complaining about people setting up stands on the property line, losing deer to "brown and down" guys next door, running dogs and so on... i find it hard to believe, that you can not understand his frustrations... also Brad does not set up "kill plots" from everything that i have seen of his property he is genuinely trying to improve the quality of the deer herd... from planting mast producing trees, maintaining year round plots, tending to his cut overs ect... is setting up feeds the best bet... not by far but come guys cut the guy some slack...

Exactly, BradB should cut the guy some slack and stop his b#$%^ing and trying to figure out ways to make sure that the States deer do not go running to someone's property that is 1.25% of the size of his property. If BradB is such a wonderful QDMA'er then he should have megalatron trophies running everywhere on his 320 acres and not wanting to leave because he has improved the 320 acres to the ultimate. Or, he can just keep crying about how tough it is that he can't killed every deer that walks across his property because everybody else is killing "his" deer

Alright, I know I am late to the party, but I just had to chime in. It has been a while since I had any of my wildlife classes at Auburn,but from what I can remember, the average home range of a mature whitetail buck is upwards of 2000 acres. The range of a doe is a few hundred acres. I know that all of this has been said before, but all the deer on the 324 acres in question are just passing through whether they are on the 320 or the 4. While it is possible to keep deer on a small parcel for a good deal of time, they will eventually wander on to someone else's land an possibly get killed.

The only thing you can do as a land manager on a smaller piece of property is to provide the deer with everything they could want or need and give them reason to stay on your property as much as possible. The key is to draw the deer into your property with something that is better than what everybody else has. It sounds like the 4 acre guy is better at this and the 320 acre guy is jealous. However if the 4 acre guy starts killing everything he sees, the deer will wise up and stay off the smaller piece of property.

I don't see where the 4 acre guy can do a whole lot to really and truly screw up the herd. Deer respond to hunting pressure and will go to where they feel safe during the day or become nocturnal. If the 320 acre guy is doing a good job with his habitat improvement and managing his hunting pressure, he is still going to see and kill deer regardless of what the 4 acre guy does.

I speak about all of this from personal experience, as I am the little guy where I hunt in Pickens County. I hunt 240 acres surrounded by 750 acres of Corps. of Engineers land, and a hunting club that totals about 1500 acres. Since I hunt and work the land primarily alone and I cannot afford a ton of improvements, my management plan revolves around managing hunting pressure. I know that the corps. land will be hunted heavily and once the shooting starts the deer like to spend a lot of their time on my place. The hunting club hammers does at the beginning of the season, and I like to spread my harvest out over the course of the season. Since the club puts a lot of pressure on the deer and I don't, I consistently see deer throughout the season. Its all about how you hunt.

Sorry I ran long,but I couldn't turn down the opportunity to get in on this.

The only thing that comes to my mind is...........The Golden Rule.....and it needs to cross my mind more......