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Not this horse s### again. Get over yourself. You lost a deer. Man up and deal with it.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
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So either STFU, or we can meet wherever you wish and settle this one way, or the other.
Don't want your blood on my shoes. I'd rather have your money in my pocket.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
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Sorry you didn't find it today Fur. Thanks man. Makes me sick to lose one. Such a waste.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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But I have to ask why you would shoot a deer 5 yards less that it was?You said you ranged it for 35 and shoot it for 30.That would make you thinks shot placement may have been a little off. Because many times a deer ducks down when a bow goes off.
Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
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When I started shooting a compound, late 90's, I learned quickly to tune the bow(Hoyt) to get perfect broadhead flight. I also learned that prolly 90+% of bowhunters bows are NOT tuned properly.
I shot the big wide Simmons heads and they sure as heck won't fly true out of an untuned bow. I got perfect flight out to 50 yards, as far as I shot them. My Hoyt turned about 270fps with heavy hunting arrows.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Quote from BowtechDan "Because many times a deer ducks down when a bow goes off."
Especially with longer shots,deer react more. As usual Bowtech is right on !
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Fred, I shot the big Simmons for a couple years back in the early to mid 90's. You're right, you dang sure have to be able to tune a bow to shoot them with the same POI as a field tip. I shot 4 different types of old fixed blade heads I had today,both 100 and 125 grain. They all flew great and there was no noticeable drop with the 125's over the 100's until 40 yards or further. I even dug an old Sattelite head out of an old bow box. The ones that had the helical blades.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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But I have to ask why you would shoot a deer 5 yards less that it was?You said you ranged it for 35 and shoot it for 30.That would make you thinks shot placement may have been a little off. Because many times a deer ducks down when a bow goes off. That a lot of drop when you add the angle of being in a tree.
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Perch, I shot at a buck one morning, maybe twelve yards. He squated all the way out from under the arrow! He came back two hours later and stopped to smell the arrow. Same distance. I "aimed" at his bottom hair line and released. He never moved. Broadhead cut hair under his chest!!! I hit within 1/4 inch of where I was trying for...the buck just never got there......
oh yeah, that bow, a 1969 Bear TD, shot a blistering 155fps.....
troy
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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But I have to ask why you would shoot a deer 5 yards less that it was?You said you ranged it for 35 and shoot it for 30.That would make you thinks shot placement may have been a little off. Because many times a deer ducks down when a bow goes off. That a lot of drop when you add the angle of being in a tree. About 2 inches with my bow. Plus, I was only 12 feet up in a ladder stand.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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That should have been money Furflyin.Hate you lost the deer.I shoot a 165gn Land shark out of my Black Creek.48lbs on a gt35-55 and it flies just like my field tip.When I hunt with my compound.I shoot a 100gn Gator on a Easton lightspeed 500.
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Now I don't have to defend Todd, but he is a good size fellow as a matter of fact. Fur, I hate you lost the deer, but I would bet my next check that the broadhead opened! That sound you heard is common with every broadhead that folds backwards. Now I can't figure out why you are hung up on the broadhead itself not having blood on it, yet you say your fletching was, and I quote, "soaked" in blood. I would bet you hit one lung, liver, and gut. With the intestines plugging the hole on the exit wound. Back to the broadhead being found close. It's called momentum. Imagine driving down the road at 55 mph and hitting a wall. What will your body do when the car hits the wall? It will continue forward. This is what happens when the arrow stops. The blades continue forward and close back up. By the way, exactly which Grim Reaper were you shooting? If it's the ones I shoot, I'll be glad to take them off your hands. I would hate to see a perfectly good head be thrown away or sit in a bow box.
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I've had Muzzy 100 grains not kill a deer. It was MY fault for poor shot placement.
Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
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I've had Muzzy 100 grains not kill a deer. It was MY fault for poor shot placement. And I think that may be the case with this thread.
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I've had Muzzy 100 grains not kill a deer. It was MY fault for poor shot placement. Poor shot placement is almost always the reason for a lost deer. But you know us humans. Show us an out and we will take it.
Last edited by Todd1700; 10/23/11 09:22 PM.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
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Several years ago I bought about 15 packs of Cabela's (lazer mag broadheads???) on closeout. They are identical to the NAP Thunderhead 125's and shoot just as well. They leave a good blood trail and I have not lost a deer to one of these yet. My son did shoot a deer last year that ducked as he released and the arrow went into "no man's land" between lungs and spine. Not much blood at all could be found and that is the only one we have not recovered with these broadheads. Hope this helps!! I have been around reading everyones posts the last three months, but I have been busy as a cat in a sand pit this year. I'll get back to posting and visiting as soon as my online classes are over this year. You have also set the Aldeer record for most posts in the shortest amount of time that I know of!! War Eagle my friend! As I recall the blades for those heads were the absolutely sharpest blades I have ever seen come out of a manufacturer. Used the 125 grain broadheads a couple of years but had trouble with them messing the threads up on the aluminum inserts, then I switched to Muzzys. The LaserMags always worked for me, great heads!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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That deer was hit good
Can someone please explain one thing to me? If the deer was hit good as the above quote from the OP says, why was said deer not recovered regardless of whether the broadhead opened or not? Most everyone on here claims even a field point with a "good hit" will kill a deer.
I rest my case your Honor.
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"smallest failure rate"????
why not shoot a broadhead with no failure rate???
like any number of fixed head broadheads? I don't shoot Grim Reapers but a friend does and he's 18 for 18 on hits/recoveries. Sometimes my Rage heads are closed when I get to the arrow but once I get to the deer it's obvious it wasn't closed when it ripped it open.
BTR Scorer in NW Alabama
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I think BOHNTR has the case solved
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I can only comment on my experience with Grim Reaper Broadheads. Let me say that yours may have indeed not opened, however as a rule those broadheads will close after a shoot through. I have killed a doe, and two 8 pts with mine. The 8 point I killed Saturday was a shootthrough that was too far back (a gut shot). The broadheads were closed and very little if any blood on fletchings. I left the deer overnight. It only ran about 75 yards and bedded down and died. All blades opened up and ripped through the stomach. The deer probably bled to death where it bedded. Maybe you pushed that deer before it died and perhaps if you found that stomach waste, you too hit the deer a little back. Again, I can only attest to my experience, but those are deadly broadheads. Sorry for the loss of deer.
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