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Last year Florida voted for legalization of MEDICINAL marijuana, which I believe could be a good medicine for some medical problems like cancer. Now every county commission and city commission around are freaking out about how to handle sales of it. Heck, just let the pharmacist sell it instead of strip mall businesses. Most of them are just sticking their heads in the sand hoping it will all go away.
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William you nailed it"HURT ANYONE ELSE". Do you really think by legalizing drugs you will cut crime? Really? Do you think the same drug users that are robbing us now , will get jobs and stop stealing? The meek mention of that is crazy. No one that lives a criminal life is going to change. They don't obey laws now, do you think the change of a law will cause them to reform?? Perch, do you remember the alcohol prohibition era of US history?Do you really think by legalizing drugs alcohol you will cut crime? Really? Do you think the same drug users drunks that are robbing us now , will get jobs and stop stealing? The meek mention of that is crazy. No one that lives a criminal life is going to change. They don't obey laws now, do you think the change of a law will cause them to reform?? We've been down this road before. When's the last time a place got shot up by Johnny Bootlegger? Where is the mafia today? Out of business. Hippi if you keep using relevant examples then you better git duh hell outta hurr ya hear? We got fight these sumbitches wit erry-thing we got. We at war dontchaknow
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It would also lead to increased usage from the increased ease of access... More tools stolen from work trucks and taken to pawn shops to buy heroine with...
Says the fear-mongers & big pharma. Again, look at the real life example of Portugal where drug use has been at a steady decline since decriminalization as well as lower crime rates. In fact, the crime rate in the US is nearly double that of Portugal. Beyond discussing the medicinal benefits of MJ, I don't care about Portugal. I care about my Buddy who has watched his daughter use Meth and Heroine to the point of not caring about the well-being of her own 3 year old daughter. Disintegrated her marriage. Won't hold down a job. Could have gone to Auburn but would rather steal from her parents, get banged by black guys, scratch holes in her skin, rot her teeth out, live like an animal. This is the reality of illegalization. Do you think legalization will improve her situation? You want more of this?
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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Marks, I feel for your buddy and their daughter, but there will always be idiots. You say that I am the one that "wants more of this" and that you "don't care about Portugal", yet the Portugal model creates LESS of the examples you have described. By sticking to strict drug laws, we are ensuring MORE occurrences of the same, not less. How has the presence of laws helped to curb her actions? They haven't.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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If you think illegal drugs are a problem, you should read up on prescription drug abuse.
It is absolutly mind boggling the amount of drugs some of my patients take on a daily basis and still function. It would scare the crap out of you if you knew the level of legal narcotics people are on while driving our roads every single day. Prescription drugs are illegal when it's not your prescription. That is a huge issue today. Folks selling their prescriptions to those without one.
Killing my neighbors deer since 1982
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I love Liberty and Freedom. But true liberty in a republic requires more than just freedom---it requires VIRTUE. For without virtue, liberty and freedom are easily corrupted. There is room for limited government to strive for ethical, moral and virtuous laws because it benefits the whole of society. The whole concept of establishing a government like ours is to promote individual liberty in an environment that is Good, Right, Noble, Just and Virtuous. Without those characteristics, Liberty become License and License will ultimately destroy Freedom.
And just where does this "virtue" come from? Virtue (along with those other characteristics) is rooted in the nature, essence and character of God.
Samuel Adams speaks to this in a most powerful way.
"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."........"A general dissolution of the principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy.... While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.... If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
Samuel Adams
Drug addiction (in all the various forms, including alcohol) is slavery and corruption of the human condition. It is dangerous to our foundation as a nation. My 2 cents.
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"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Marks, I feel for your buddy and their daughter, but there will always be idiots. You say that I am the one that "wants more of this" and that you "don't care about Portugal", yet the Portugal model creates LESS of the examples you have described. By sticking to strict drug laws, we are ensuring MORE occurrences of the same, not less. How has the presence of laws helped to curb her actions? They haven't.
This ain't Portugal.
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Do you think legalization will improve her situation?
You want more of this? Well, making it illegal obviously didn't prevent it from happening. No one in their right mind is going to start using heroine, or meth, or Oxycodone if they legalized it tomorrow. Only addicts will and guess what? They are doing it anyway.
"The misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing... compared to the misery of not being exploited at all."
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Do you think legalization will improve her situation?
You want more of this? Well, making it illegal obviously didn't prevent it from happening. No one in their right mind is going to start using heroine, or meth, or Oxycodone if they legalized it tomorrow. Only addicts will and guess what? They are doing it anyway. To become an addict you have to start from somewhere. Every addict was at one time sober and a non-drug user. So yes, legal heroine and other drugs will get tried by first timers searching for ecstasy, euphoria, acceptance or just fun times in their troubled world.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Marks, I feel for your buddy and their daughter, but there will always be idiots. You say that I am the one that "wants more of this" and that you "don't care about Portugal", yet the Portugal model creates LESS of the examples you have described. By sticking to strict drug laws, we are ensuring MORE occurrences of the same, not less. How has the presence of laws helped to curb her actions? They haven't.
All the status quo has done is likely lock her up and slap her with a felony for possession or paraphernalia. If/when she gets clean that felony will likely be a massive hinderance to leading a clean life. Like I said earlier, there is no perfect solution but the status quo hasn't been effective.
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It would also lead to increased usage from the increased ease of access... More tools stolen from work trucks and taken to pawn shops to buy heroine with...
Says the fear-mongers & big pharma. Again, look at the real life example of Portugal where drug use has been at a steady decline since decriminalization as well as lower crime rates. In fact, the crime rate in the US is nearly double that of Portugal. Beyond discussing the medicinal benefits of MJ, I don't care about Portugal. I care about my Buddy who has watched his daughter use Meth and Heroine to the point of not caring about the well-being of her own 3 year old daughter. Disintegrated her marriage. Won't hold down a job. Could have gone to Auburn but would rather steal from her parents, get banged by black guys, scratch holes in her skin, rot her teeth out, live like an animal. This is the reality of illegalization. Do you think legalization will improve her situation? You want more of this? Lots of things I didn't do when I was younger, simply because they were illegal. To me, laws were like physical boundaries/cages. Removing barriers will increase usage. Why do we need more intoxicants?
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
-G. K. Chesterton
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I am opposed to legalizing drugs, including weed. I think we need to tighten up on prescription drug usage, as this is where the vast majority of heroin users start..and we have an epidemic of heroin use and overdose deaths.
I have a daughter that is a heroin user and abandoned her son and life to chase the drug. I know one day I will get the call she has overdosed..a real shitty way to think about your daughter. Do not talk to me about legalizing drugs.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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If you want to do drugs we should just give you a plane ticket to Portugal. They can have the deadbeats and the problems that come with it.
Kinda like communists. If they love it so much why dont they move to a communist utopia like North Korea or China.
I love my country, but don't trust my government.
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I would agree to decriminalize any drug USE, not selling/buying IF there was an automatic death penalty for selling ANY drug and max 30 days to carry it out.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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I find it interesting that Bradford Health Services employs a lobbyist.
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Take all the states that legalized pot and those states make all other narcotics legal ,, street drugs too,, would there be a mass migration of people leaving their home town states for the newly proclaimed free for all drug abuse states ????
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I would agree to decriminalize any drug USE, not selling/buying IF there was an automatic death penalty for selling ANY drug and max 30 days to carry it out. would you agree to declassifying Marijuana as a "drug" and treating it just like other tobaccos (cigarettes, cigars, pipes, etc) if it meant otherwise getting the above approved? Or do you consider marijuana to be in the same league as heroin, meth, etc?
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Marijuana use since Colorado legalization. Some stats. � Among those 18-25 years old, marijuana usage has increased from 21 percent in 2006 to 31 percent in 2014. � Among those 26 or older, marijuana usage has increased from 5 percent in 2006 to 12 percent in 2014. � Marijuana-related hospitalizations have increased from a rate of 803 per 100,000 pre-commercialization to 2,413 per 100,000 post-commercialization. � The period of retail commercialization showed a significant increase in emergency department visits, from 739 per 100,000 (2010�2013) to 956 per 100,000 emergency department visits (2014�June 2015) � In the 2014-15 school year, school-based discipline for drugs accounted for 41% of all expulsions, 31% of all law enforcement referrals, and 6% of all suspensions in Colorado. Keep in mind, this is only a short evaluation of MJ only. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/loc...ization-in-colo
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Marijuana use since Colorado legalization. Some stats. � Among those 18-25 years old, marijuana usage has increased from 21 percent in 2006 to 31 percent in 2014. � Among those 26 or older, marijuana usage has increased from 5 percent in 2006 to 12 percent in 2014. � Marijuana-related hospitalizations have increased from a rate of 803 per 100,000 pre-commercialization to 2,413 per 100,000 post-commercialization. � The period of retail commercialization showed a significant increase in emergency department visits, from 739 per 100,000 (2010�2013) to 956 per 100,000 emergency department visits (2014�June 2015) � In the 2014-15 school year, school-based discipline for drugs accounted for 41% of all expulsions, 31% of all law enforcement referrals, and 6% of all suspensions in Colorado. Keep in mind, this is only a short evaluation of MJ only. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/loc...ization-in-colo exactly what are these "marijuana-related hospitalizations/ER visits for? overdosing on cheetos and twinkies?
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Marijuana use since Colorado legalization. Some stats. � Among those 18-25 years old, marijuana usage has increased from 21 percent in 2006 to 31 percent in 2014. � Among those 26 or older, marijuana usage has increased from 5 percent in 2006 to 12 percent in 2014. � Marijuana-related hospitalizations have increased from a rate of 803 per 100,000 pre-commercialization to 2,413 per 100,000 post-commercialization. � The period of retail commercialization showed a significant increase in emergency department visits, from 739 per 100,000 (2010�2013) to 956 per 100,000 emergency department visits (2014�June 2015) � In the 2014-15 school year, school-based discipline for drugs accounted for 41% of all expulsions, 31% of all law enforcement referrals, and 6% of all suspensions in Colorado. Keep in mind, this is only a short evaluation of MJ only. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/loc...ization-in-colo exactly what are these "marijuana-related hospitalizations/ER visits for? overdosing on cheetos and twinkies? REEFER MADNESS!! If you smoke that jazz cabbage you're going to die!!!
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