I hunt Greenfield's, clearcuts, hardwoods, swamps and planted pines. Also have a feeder and a camera in my back yard. But I don't consider any of those "just like" another. And a planted field of anything is not "bait". If it was, then you could say a pond or an oak tree is "bait" just the same.
I guess by Burbank's definition hunting around anything a deer likes to eat is hunting over bait. Is hunting over a white oak flat dropping acorns hunting over bait?
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Maybe not by law but you show me anywhere in the wild that these supped up green fields occur naturally and I'll say it's not baiting otherwise it's the same as you pouring out a bag of corn. You carried it in and poured it out. It doesn't matter now it's all legal.
I dont know why I bother. Arguing with idiots is like wrestling pigs in the mud. Just gets me tired and dirty and the pigs like it. The lazy goober smoochers always try to make planting akin to baiting. At least those of us with 3 or more brain cells know the truth. I only wish our politicians had 3 brain cells AMONG THEM!
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I guess by Burbank's definition hunting around anything a deer likes to eat is hunting over bait. Is hunting over a white oak flat dropping acorns hunting over bait?
No because that occurs naturally. Man didn't put those acorns down. You plant green fields to draw deer and pattern them by a trail. That's baiting. Same as a big ol bucket of corn.
What if I plant oak, apple and pear trees in a pasture and wait till it's dropping nuts and fruit? Is you problem with annuals and perennial plants but trees are ok? Are grape and muscadine vines ok? Kudzu, they like kudzu? Just where is the line to be drawn?
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The masterbaiters try to find a way to ease their guilt. Men know right from wrong, deep down, but those who won't give up their shameful ways try to justify it by any means. See Burbank, I understand that you're only trying to convince yourself because you know I'm right.
I hate making a good first impression. There’s no way I can keep that shit up.
I guess by Burbank's definition hunting around anything a deer likes to eat is hunting over bait. Is hunting over a white oak flat dropping acorns hunting over bait?
No because that occurs naturally. Man didn't put those acorns down. You plant green fields to draw deer and pattern them by a trail. That's baiting. Same as a big ol bucket of corn.
I put some seed in the ground and covered it up. That in itself does not attract deer. Nature makes it sprout and grow and that's not guaranteed. Food plots are available 24/7 for months and do a lot of good for game in general.
I guess I am old fashioned. I remember the time before game cams, turkey decoys, extended deer seasons, when does were only killed for a week or so and before spin feeders. We had to read the signs to find a good spot or big buck/gobbler using an area. It seems like every decision now is made for the benefit of the hunter and not for the game. Just about every big buck I saw killed in the past few years the hunter had a pic of him standing over a pile of corn or at a feeder.
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Seems I'm vastly into the minority here with my don't care attitude about the subject. Both sides are presenting sound arguments. But both sides are basing the arguments on mostly,not all, their views, opinions, and definitions of single words such as "hunt" and "bait". Some considered Indians to be great hunters. To me they weren't. They were killers. Anyway, anywhere, anyhow. Drive animals off a cliff to kill them. Drive them with fire. Herd them in a coral and shoot them at close range. They wouldn't waste their corn on deer.
So, are we hunters or killers? Where does it goes from one to the other? What is bait? Who gets to decide?
It seems like every decision now is made for the benefit of the hunter and not for the game. [/quote]
That is my whole concern!!!! It was my concern with the 10 extension in the north zone. All decisions now APPEAR to be about $$$. That is a horrible road to go down and we as sportsmen should contest any decision that doesn't take the game animal welfare as first consideration.
I love the greenfield argument. Its completely idiotic but always entertaining. And its the first words out if the mouths of the masterbaiters.
Look asshole it's the same fraking thing you plant a Greenfield an ambush a poor little deer when it comes to feed lmao
You mean a greenfield that has nutritional value to deer and other wildlife vs. corn which has no real nutritional value to southern deer. It is all carbs which turns to sugar in the body. Northern deer can use it as it is instant energy that can help them survive the cold winters. It tastes good to them though, so it has about the same nutritional and attractant value as feeding our kids a Milky Way and Snickers diet.
Next year we'll be buying permits to broadcast insulin.
This argument is really just a silly sideshow in the grand scheme of things. The things we really need to be concerned about are phrases like �total deer harvest� and �sustainable yield�. The best thing that is happening right now is that the doe harvest numbers are decreasing as a percentage of the harvest. There needs to continue to be a backlash against the doe slaughtering era and a movement back to a more conservative approach to harvesting females. Not just in law but in the mindset of the hunters. That will matter far more than corn.
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I love the greenfield argument. Its completely idiotic but always entertaining. And its the first words out if the mouths of the masterbaiters.
Look asshole it's the same fraking thing you plant a Greenfield an ambush a poor little deer when it comes to feed lmao
You mean a greenfield that has nutritional value to deer and other wildlife vs. corn which has no real nutritional value to southern deer. It is all carbs which turns to sugar in the body. Northern deer can use it as it is instant energy that can help them survive the cold winters. It tastes good to them though, so it has about the same nutritional and attractant value as feeding our kids a Milky Way and Snickers diet.
Next year we'll be buying permits to broadcast insulin.
On a serious note, this coming season the feed permits will be sold. The season after, tags will be sold. The season after, xxxx will be required to be purchased.
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I've thought about this before. I guess there are no hard and fast answers but here is my thoughts. Please excuse my ramblings.
If you knew there was a nice buck showing up at a certain spot at exactly 9:30 every day and you could sleep in, get up at 9:00 and slip in there at 9:20 and kill him at 9:30, would that be a perfect hunt? If so, I think you are more of a killer than hunter. I think as a whole, we are leaning towards being killers. We don't have enough time to hunt, we pay a lot of money and want to kill something, so whatever it takes, we want a trophy without having to work for it.
For me, that is not the way I want to hunt. For some other people I "hunt" with, yes, that would be the best possible situation ever to hunt 10 minutes and kill a nice buck.
I enjoy getting in the woods before it is light and watching the world wake up. I enjoy the squirrels (well, at least most of the time, however, the game they play, I call it squirrel tag, can get old), the birds, and I mostly enjoy watching deer. I watch way more than I kill. To me the journey is just as enjoyable as the destination. Others wonder why I stay out all day. I am there to hunt. When I kill one, it is icing on the cake. I was fortunate to kill 2 mature bucks last season. One was killed in bow season in an oak flat and the other was in a cutover during the rut and he was hot on the tail of a doe. Yes, those hunts, while very different, were both very exciting to me. So were my other hunts where I saw deer and didn't shoot.
Let's face it, hunting a cutover doesn't require much hunting skill. A good set of eyes and binos are more important than wooodsmanship. Yet it is often an effective way of seeing and killing deer. I killed my buck with a 200 yard shot. But it wasn't just pure luck. I knew the rut was on. There was a bad thunderstorm that morning and I waited it out in a good shooting house. When the heavy rains stopped, I was alert and watching that cutover like a hawk. I didn't see a deer all morning. I had seen birds squirrels and some turkeys, but no deer. Then at 11:15, which was about 2 hours after the rain had stopped, I spotted the doe as she stuck her head out of the woods. I knew where the deer usually traveled and kept a close watch on those areas. I saw the buck a minute later.
Finding the oak flat and knowing where the deer were eating took more skills. Knowing where to put and face my climber took additional skill. Knowing how the wind currents flow in that area took knowledge from past experience. Doing it during archery season added to level of difficulty.
Both were very enjoyable to me. Just being out in God's creation is special. I guess some times I am more of a killer and other times more of a hunter. I don't try to distinguish between the two, because, I enjoy being out and seeing deer.
If baiting becomes legal, it won't be a matter of dumping out a pile of corn, waiting a few minutes and then shooting a monster. While that could possibly happen, that will be the exception, not the rule. Just like planting and then hunting a greenfield. It provides food and keeps deer in the area, but it is far from a sure thing to kill a mature buck on one.
Baiting will make it much easier to kill does and young bucks. If done smartly, it could make it easier to kill some mature bucks, but anyone looking for shortcuts will be disappointed, IMHO.
Bucks don't become old by being stupid. This is not a magic bullet. Overall, it will probably reduce daytime movements for deer and make the mature bucks more nocturnal, just like greenfields can do. It will require hunters to adapt to the changing environment. Hunting ability and luck will still play a significant role in the killing a mature buck.
