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Actually, he didn't say he wanted to make them howl....he said they would howl. He arrested them because they were a part of the war effort. According to your articles, he said that the poor ladies would howl and to let them take their children with them. If he is arresting them, it is a humanitarian decision to let them take their children with them. He could have just arrested the women who were a part of the war effort and made them leave their children behind, but he didn't.

I grew up just off the path of where Sherman came through north Georgia and my mother's family is between Atlanta and Savannah. I heard lots of stories about Sherman coming through growing up and the people were certainly not fans of his, but never remember hearing about rapes, baby killings, etc.

He said in a telegram: "I can make this march, and I will make Georgia howl!"

Quote: "He could have just arrested the women who were a part of the war effort and made them leave their children behind, but he didn't."

We must take the action in context of the time it happened. I read somewhere that the women took their children to work with them because the husbands were mostly off at war. I'm sure there was some sort of day care facilities at the factory.

Anyway, say the children were there at the factory when the raid occurred. What would the arresting officer do with those children while he destroyed the factory? His choice would have been obvious if that were the case. If there were 400 women and 200 had children, then he would have to reconcile his decision to someone, one day, somehow? Maybe not.

But take 400 women, 200 with children, traveling to a strange place would have less chance to work or forage for a living with a child or more at her side, wouldn't she?

I don't see him letting the children travel with their mothers as being overly compassionate in one sense. Might be in another.

The thought is still atrocious to me, either way.

Suppositions by the author based on suppositions of a newspaper editor don't constitute facts.

Black panthers. A 6,000-year old earth. Shooters in the grassy knoll. Sherman killed babies and his troops carried 28 bazillion pounds of salt to ruin Georgia.

OK. Whatever.

DiLorenzo, and you quoted him, said there were thousands of documents at the South Carolina University attesting to the rapes. I offered the link to search said documents and it came back with one report. If DiLorenzo can offer proof of his statements then fine, I'll take that. Just because he writes it doesn't make it so.

Fellmans book doesn't even have a bibliography. He confused Shermans mother and sister in the first of it. So he offers nothing but his opinion if he can't back up his facts. If you want to stick to the salting of the fields then by all means, carry on. You tell me that Fellman said they carry salt and steal salt in order to spread in the fields but logistically that isn't so and the south was rationing salt so at the most when they aren't raping, pillaging, stabbing dogs or pouring syrup in church organs, they theoretically could have spread salt on about 30 acres. Never mind that salt is vitally important to the sustainment of life during that time. Bullshit says I.

Do I consider moving women and children hundreds of miles from home an atrocity? Sure. I also understand the fact that they were aiding the Confederate war effort. Maybe the Confederates should have taken those women and children with them instead of leaving them behind?




But according to Sherman, whom you say is credible..


Message to Garrard
So Garrard had the option to spare the women.

Grants quote about making the march and making georgia howl was October 9th in a telegraph to Grant. Sherman to Grant The Roswell incident was in July. Two totally different quotes you are using.



In reference to what you posted about him shooting children I actually, based on your views, took it to mean that He meant Sherman when you said He shot children that annoyed him. Still no proof of that.

If you are going to pick Sherman as credible then what do you speak of his willingness to help Atlantans to leave?


Shermans Letter To Atlanta Mayor

Or the atrocities commited by the Confederate forces?


I've read his view on Indians. Were there atrocities? Yes. Giving Indians blankets infested with Small Pox, Forcing them to Reservations etc. etc. was a time full of atrocities. The fact of the matter is that it was a common view amongst almost all during that time. I can condemn the whole of the United States for the crimes on the Indians. That being said, I'll also have to condemn the Indians for waging war on women and children also.

Since DeLorenzo and your others like to quote Grimsley then maybe it would help if we read some his work:
The Myth of Sherman




You call him a bad general and have outlandish claims but history and the facts show otherwise.
If you want to hate him for killing dogs, burning crops, buildings etc. and throwing silverware in a well and waging war then I totally understand. To hate him for myths that are perpetuated by shoddy writing then I do not agree.

1) In your post about "making them howl" you were refering to the women in Roswell where Sherman says that the women will howl, not Georgia as a whole which is obviously a figure of speech.

2) Regarding leaving the children at the factory, killing them, or allowing them to die, aren't you trying to establish that Sherman's army was a bunch of baby killers? Now you are saying they would have to reconcile a decision to kill children? Which way do you want it?

3) Given that he was going to have the women arrested, if you don't think letting the children travel out of the war zone to Indiana with their mothers was the compassionate choice, would it have been better to have left them alone in a war zone in an area he was about to torch?

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But take 400 women, 200 with children, traveling to a strange place would have less chance to work or forage for a living with a child or more at her side, wouldn't she?

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How much chance did they have to work and forage for food if Sherman had left them where he found them. He was using or destroying all the provisions he could and burning their factories (no factories = no work). He sent them to a place where the factories were not burning...some in fact found work in the north. The situation in the north was not good, but it wasn't as bad as where they were in the middle or a war.

What do you think of our own people who had to know Sherman was advancing to Atlanta and yet left our women and children in the path of the army and working in the mill right up until they were overrun by Sherman's army. The best way to protect those women would have been for our own people not to have left our women to face Sherman's army but to have gotten them out of the way.

Foraging at home is a heck of alot different than foraging in a strange place where you know no one.

From what I understand there were no people/men left to defend them.

I'm not saying to defend them. They left them in the mill...Didn't even tell them to leave...head toward some place away from Atlanta, whatever.

According to your position, there had to be news traveling about rapes and baby killing and yet they left the women and children there in Sherman's path?

Especially when the crops and livestock at home have been killed, torched, or eaten.

The Roswell Battalion, a local defense unit made up largely of mill workers, had been called out, three hours before the arrival of the blue clad troops, leaving only a small detachment of cavalry behind to guard the Roswell Road. Confederate troopers collided with the advance guard of Garrard's cavalrymen just outside of town. Overwhelmed and outnumbered, the Confederates raced through Roswell and over the covered bridge but not before setting it ablaze.

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