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There are a lot of opinions out there.for example you go to a bow shoot,you see people with the exact bow you have.but just to be showoff,s they have a stablelizer 2 ft long that cost more than there bow,s. Im talking about there bow,s are matthews or hoyt,s very expensive but they pay as much or more for the stapelizer,s. So back to your scope questions my advice is the leopold varix 3 or a nikionprostaff.they are in the 300$ range.there is no sense buying a 1000$ scope. they wont be nothing different but buying someone,s name.these are just my thoughts.like the stabelizer,s they spend a 1000$ for dont hardly help no better than your standard hunting one. This is almost 575 duzen arreas quality 
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This is the advice I have always given regarding scopes.
Decide how much you are willing to pay for a scope, add 50% to that and go buy a scope in that price bracket.
And don't be afraid to buy a used scope. This. Also realize the only difference between a really expensive scope and a not as expensive scope is about 7 or 8 minutes at daylight and dark.
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think what your going to use it for ,tree stand 25-100 yds or power line long shot. I have cheap scopes that I hunt & shoot to 300 yards, rain sleet or snow hot or cold.
Last edited by garyo; 04/12/16 09:26 AM.
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IMO, once you get past the $400-$600 range you're paying for very small improvements in quality. I agree completely. But these will be better than the $250 ones. If your scope will hunt as late as you want, what else do you need? I agree on the $400-$600 range. I don't have to hunt with a $250 scope so I won't. After the $400-$600 range you need to be looking at features like a lighted reticle, Target turrets, hydroscopic coatings, and other things that make the scope worth the extra money to you.
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Optics threads are 2nd only to politics in contentiousness.
Lot of strong opinions about the matter.
My $.02..... I have shot, owned, hunted with, looked through, handled, fondled, etc, pretty much any scope out there. Further, I consider myself to be kinda picky and snobbish about quality items. All that being said, there ain't jack-squat difference between a $1,500 Kahles and a $250 Nikon. Now, do I mean spec-wise?...no. But to 99.99% of hunters, in 99.99% of hunting situations, there is ZERO discernible difference. I know to never say never, but I will NEVER own anything but a Nikon Prostaff scope again. They do everything I want with 101% satisfaction. I can shoot hundreds of yards, I can see in darn near pitch darkness, sit on a plot till slap dark, thread the needle at 200yds in a cutover, you name it. Why on the Lord's earth would I spend obscene money for a scope that does the same? I stood at my truck one night after several of us came out of the woods. We were parked in an old hay field. Everybody was slobbering over this boy's 56mm Zeiss (I was too), so I picked it up and looked across that field. No crap, it was sweet, I could've shot a deer I'm confident. I then picked up my 50mm Nikon (Buckmasters series) and to my surprise, I couldn't tell any/enough difference. I could've done the same.
Here's what it seems like to me... If you hunt around a bunch of fellas who use and tout high-dollar scopes, so will you. It's sorta like a duty of acceptance. But for practical hunting situations, that $189 - $359 Nikon Prostaff lineup is fantastic.
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I can kill a deer with my bsa scope as late as any other scope. Can do it past legal hunting light. I've knocked it over a couple of times and its stayed zero. My binos are a lot better than my scope. The only reason I'm wanting a different scope is for bdc or mildot reticle.
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Optics threads are 2nd only to politics in contentiousness.
Lot of strong opinions about the matter.
My $.02..... I have shot, owned, hunted with, looked through, handled, fondled, etc, pretty much any scope out there. Further, I consider myself to be kinda picky and snobbish about quality items. All that being said, there ain't jack-squat difference between a $1,500 Kahles and a $250 Nikon. Now, do I mean spec-wise?...no. But to 99.99% of hunters, in 99.99% of hunting situations, there is ZERO discernible difference. I know to never say never, but I will NEVER own anything but a Nikon Prostaff scope again. They do everything I want with 101% satisfaction. I can shoot hundreds of yards, I can see in darn near pitch darkness, sit on a plot till slap dark, thread the needle at 200yds in a cutover, you name it. Why on the Lord's earth would I spend obscene money for a scope that does the same? I stood at my truck one night after several of us came out of the woods. We were parked in an old hay field. Everybody was slobbering over this boy's 56mm Zeiss (I was too), so I picked it up and looked across that field. No crap, it was sweet, I could've shot a deer I'm confident. I then picked up my 50mm Nikon (Buckmasters series) and to my surprise, I couldn't tell any/enough difference. I could've done the same.
Here's what it seems like to me... If you hunt around a bunch of fellas who use and tout high-dollar scopes, so will you. It's sorta like a duty of acceptance. But for practical hunting situations, that $189 - $359 Nikon Prostaff lineup is fantastic.
The prostaffs aren't very good directly into sun or with sun directly behind you. Other than that, they are pretty good.
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Lot of truth here on both sides. Most of your Alabama deer hunting can be done with $100 scope. Because most of the shots are less than 150 yards.
$400-600 will get you a really nice scope these days. Unless you are just trying to buy for low light good scopes in that price range will do 95% of what is required anywhere in North America.
Look if you want the best go buy a Schmidt & Bender if the funds allow. I love mine. But I do a majority of my deer hunting with a BLR with a $400 compact VX-3 riding on it. Don't be one of the guys that buys all the high end gear who's trying to over compensate for something.
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I know this isn't really about brand but I've always liked Leupold. I've owned everything from a Tasco to a Zeiss and I like Leupold. 50 mm is probably the standard these days but I've dropped back to 40 last few years.
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On the distance I like to walk to my stands: “The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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I actually prefer the smaller,light and compact scopes. Most of my hunting us done under 100 yards, so I like a 1.5-2X up to 7 or 8X with 32mm-36mm objectives. Right now the Kahles 2-7X36 is my favorite but I am looking forward to trying the new Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8X32 and possibly the new Leica in the same size and power.
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I actually prefer the smaller,light and compact scopes. Most of my hunting us done under 100 yards, so I like a 1.5-2X up to 7 or 8X with 32mm-36mm objectives. Right now the Kahles 2-7X36 is my favorite but I am looking forward to trying the new Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8X32 and possibly the new Leica in the same size and power.  Not a fan of those monster Hubble telescopes either.
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Their is a large difference between a 250 dollars scope and a 1000 dollar scope. LOTS of people say they isnt because of verious reasons. 1 is they cant afford a 1000 dollar scope. 2 is they dont want to pay 1000 dollars because their cheap! 3 reason many want buy a 1000 dollars scope is they dont fell it that much better. Well, it is better. I have had most every brand of So called Hubble scopes  For the OPs 1000 dollar scope, look at the 3x12x56 Meopta . The new 3x12x56 Meopta 4K has lighted reticle, and at 1000-1100 dollars, is equal OR better to my older 3x12x56 Zeiss Diavary with #44 lighted reticle at a price of 1899. Its also as good as my S&B scope in 2.5x10x56. Their NO WAY that a 250 dollars scope will contend with a 3x12x56 Meopta 4k with lighted reticle!!!! Stop kidding yourselfs about a cheap scope being as good as a more expensive scope. Just remember this = You can dress a turd in Barbies cloths BUT that does not make it a Barbie Doll!! 
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and a $1000 scope dosen't have chitt to do with KILLING deer......I can't think of a single instance in over 50 years of deer KILLING that a high end scope would of given me a deer kill where my Leupold didn't.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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First off....a good scope will NOT make you a better shot.
200 yards or less a $80 Bushnell will work up to a certain level of darkness. That's all I used til 2 years ago and only missed 1 deer. That wasn't the scopes fault either. Then I bought a Vortex Diamondback ($200). I love that scope. It's alot of scope for the money.
I believe where a scope pays for itself is in shots 400-500-600-700 yards long. I NEVER have a shot that long in Perry County. I wouldn't take that shot if I had it.
Bottom line is everyone has an opinion and you know what they say about opinions....
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and a $1000 scope dosen't have chitt to do with KILLING deer......I can't think of a single instance in over 50 years of deer KILLING that a high end scope would of given me a deer kill where my Leupold didn't. THIS^^^^ I believe that's all most of us detractors are saying. I stated that there are spec differences between a $1,000 and $250 scope. But unless you are an optics engineer, you can't tell with your human eye, nor by the shooting advantage. In the end it's like he said above, I can't remember a single instance in 35 years of hunting where the scope mattered. I'm willing to concede that if you're out West, shooting at an elk at 600 yards in EXTREME low light conditions, then yes there's probably a worthwhile difference. But 99.99% of folks will never be in that position.
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and a $1000 scope dosen't have chitt to do with KILLING deer......I can't think of a single instance in over 50 years of deer KILLING that a high end scope would of given me a deer kill where my Leupold didn't. It does if you cant see it clearly! IF you are shooting at the last minute of shooting light, in dark timber or cover, and you MUST identify that the deer meets a 130 inch minimum!! If your trying to tell me , that you out of your mind. I have 3 of the 30MM Leupolds left. 2 of the are on guns in the safe. Still sometimes use the 4x14x50, but it doesnt compare to a 3x12x56 Meopta in the 1000 dollar range. The clarity AND ability to see details at distance is NOT the same. High end scope do a much better job with distance, darkness, and clarity than some cheap 250 dollars scope. Personally, I would quit hunting deer before giving up my favorite high -end scopes . I simple refuse to use cheap crap, that want stand up to the daily abuse I inflict on a scope. Thats why I chose NF so may times! 
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the problem shooters is that you are smack talking without any real experience to bank it on....
ANY half decent pair of binocs will outdo the best scope made and any half decent scope will KILL that same deer. Real life experiences count for way more than theoretical horsepucky.
I have used Kahles and Zeiss binocs for years and they will out do ANY rifle scope made for identifying a low light target. Are you saying YOU use yer rifle scope to ID targets and not a binocular????? Or did you fergit this lil real world thingy in yer zeal to smack talk the greatness of high end scopes???
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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the problem shooters is that you are smack talking without any real experience to bank it on....
ANY half decent pair of binocs will outdo the best scope made and any half decent scope will KILL that same deer. Real life experiences count for way more than theoretical horsepucky.
I have used Kahles and Zeiss binocs for years and they will out do ANY rifle scope made for identifying a low light target. Are you saying YOU use yer rifle scope to ID targets and not a binocular????? Or did you fergit this lil real world thingy in yer zeal to smack talk the greatness of high end scopes??? No , Captain Horsepucky. I use a Vectronics Vector 4 for identification most of the time. We were speaking of scopes correct. If it binoculars I have , the best of the best as far as that goes. I forgot YOU are the all mighty, with 50 years of experience. Since I only have 30 years of experience with High- end scope I quess my observations are NOT as grand as yours? Simnply put, i use Vector 4 for identification and aging of deer, then use scope to look at score of deer. Modern scopes have come a long way since your Highness time. Someone must take a stand for the High- End scopes, since they cant speak for themselves! 
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couldn't have predicted how this thread would go...
all the people with nice scopes say how great they are.
all the people with cheap scopes say how they're just as good.
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Use the best you can afford and don't worry about it. What I can't understand is so much pride about either having the most expensive scope, or about being such a great hunter that you can run circles around the $1000 scopes with your blister pack Tasco.
There's way too much pride on both sides. It's just a freaking scope folks. It's not like we are talking about who has the hottest wife or biggest blank!
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