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I feel the same way as you, Trlrdrdave. I was just simply bragging on the dog.
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At what point do you think they realized the deer was only hit in the hoof? The poster clearly states the guy said he hit the deer good, there was blood, and the tracking was done at night. Given these facts , how would you determine that the hit was non-lethal and not try to recover the deer?
The dog was doing its job. It was put on a wounded deer and caught it.
Please tell us what you would have done differently.
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Fellows, I can't speak for Bama but in Ga. it is strictly up to the wardens discretion and so far as long as you don't enter property without the owners permission you are fine. A warden can tell what you are up to. One warden caused a little ruckus about Mike's son dispatching a wounded deer in the water but that was overridden by his supervisors. A warden asked me once to call him each time I went out at night but after about a week of calling him 2 or 3 times a night he said don't worry about calling him.
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At what point do you think they realized the deer was only hit in the hoof? The poster clearly states the guy said he hit the deer good, there was blood, and the tracking was done at night. Given these facts , how would you determine that the hit was non-lethal and not try to recover the deer?
The dog was doing its job. It was put on a wounded deer and caught it.
Please tell us what you would have done differently.
exactly...I have recovered "perfect" shots that were hit in the nose, hoof, jaw and etc. J.J. recovered one that was hit in the ear.
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You didn't recover one that was hit in the ear... you caught up to it. If it was hit in the ear it was just going on with life right? I guess you could graze one and knock some hair off and recover it too? I can't say what I would do I wasn't there. I really ain't trying to stir stuff up. I am sure Mike and his dog deserve the bragging too. Just not sure I would have posted that. I ain't never hit one in the hoof, but I bet it ain't going to react like one hit in the boiler room. One hit in the ear surely isn't going to die from that. I sure don't want to waste one but I'd give one a break if it got lucky. Just all seems kind of odd to me. If I was a GW and knew all the details I just don't know what I would do. I guess that is what it boils down to.
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I would not of had any problem with someone dog trailing and finishing off a wounded deer at night. Ya wanna get technical it is illegal to "take" a deer at night, but common sense says finish the job.
My experience is that the tracker has no idea where the deer was actually hit till they catch it. So if I catch/bay a deer at night and seee it is hit in the foot I should pull the dog off and leave because the wound isn't "bad enough"????
For the record a hoof shot deer will get infected in that wound because he will continue to walk on it and push it in the mud/dirt/whatever. In my experience a foot infection is a high percentage DEAD deer due to the infection. A higher hit that is kept out of the mud has a better chance of survival.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Tough topic,what to do if you are tracking a wounded deer and you find it and it is still alive,I feel if a dog can bark at the deer and hold it by barking while the tracker and Hunter walk up to it,it is mortally wounded,I don't think a deer that isn't mortally wounded would stand there, I believe it would take off,
Secondly what do you do,especially if you can see how bad the deer is hit,which in a lot of cases you can't either day or nite,but if you walk up to deer and you can see his leg is blown off,or his guts are hanging out,what is the ethicall thing to do,humanely dispatch the suffering animal or just stand there and wait for it to die?
The deer that had its foot blown off I believe also was hit in the body,the Hunter said the first shot made it go down,then it ran to edge of plot and he shot it again,second time he shot it it kind of buckled,if that deer had just had his foot blown off it would have took off running,not just stand there and let people walk rt up to it,
Oh and Randy my son diddnt shoot that deer in water,it was a friend of ours who lives in Eastman,ga
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Ok I agree with Fred and Mike. 
"In time of war, send me all the Alabamians you can get, but in time of peace, for Lord's sake, send them to somebody else." General Edward H. Plummer
"Blessed are those who, in the face of death, think only about the front sight." Jeff Cooper
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Sorry, Mike. I thought it was Scott. Well if we can't call them finds and now we can't call them recoveries. What the heck do we call it? Reducing them to possession? Putting them on the tailgate? Most of the deer we put on the tailgate have to be humanely dispatched. I can tell you that if you go in to a bayed deer you will most likely not be able to tell where it is injured unless you already have a good idea. I won't release my dog to bay unless I think I have a pretty good idea of where the deer is hit. Sometimes I am wr,wr,wr,wrong.
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Tough topic,what to do if you are tracking a wounded deer and you find it and it is still alive,I feel if a dog can bark at the deer and hold it by barking while the tracker and Hunter walk up to it,it is mortally wounded,I don't think a deer that isn't mortally wounded would stand there, I believe it would take off,
Secondly what do you do,especially if you can see how bad the deer is hit,which in a lot of cases you can't either day or nite,but if you walk up to deer and you can see his leg is blown off,or his guts are hanging out,what is the ethicall thing to do,humanely dispatch the suffering animal or just stand there and wait for it to die?
The deer that had its foot blown off I believe also was hit in the body,the Hunter said the first shot made it go down,then it ran to edge of plot and he shot it again,second time he shot it it kind of buckled,if that deer had just had his foot blown off it would have took off running,not just stand there and let people walk rt up to it,
Oh and Randy my son diddnt shoot that deer in water,it was a friend of ours who lives in Eastman,ga Yep and yep. A deer that is going to live will not act in this manner. I bet there was another wound on him, just didnt see it...maybe near the rear. Hunters/Trackers have to put the animal out out of misery..period.
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When we find bone we know that the deer has a broken leg. A deer can heal and survive a broken leg quite well usually. Do you suggest that we not track a broken leg deer? It may be a rear leg or possibly shrapnel like bone fragments have injured the heart, stomach or lungs.
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this buck was shot in the foot, just at top of hoof. Hunter claimed it was a good hit. I was several hours away from being able to track it. I put Taz on the track app 8 hours after it was shot, still good daylight. Track and blood pattern made me think leg hit. We jumped the deer at the top of a very steep ridge and I got a look as it bailed off a VERY steep hill, holding it's leg out to one side as it went down. Leg hit. 200 yards later Taz bayed the buck, but it broke as we approached to within 70 yards. Another 200 yards and s Taz caught and bayed it again. We quietly slipped to within maybe 60 yards and finished it off. Only wound was the one right above the hoof. Taz was a very fast tracker and I had to run to keep up, with her on a 50 foot lead line. When we jumped the buck I released her. A slower dog might not of caught that deer as he was very mobile. 
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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i was thinking the same as mike, but held my response to see what he said. If you bay a deer AND it lets you walk 50 yards to it, somethings bad wrong with it.
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Many times you have no idea where a deer was hit when you take on a track and you darn sure cannot often tell when you catch up with him. I have never had a hunter complain about a deer we recovered.
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i was thinking the same as mike, but held my response to see what he said. If you bay a deer AND it lets you walk 50 yards to it, somethings bad wrong with it. 50 yrds,I'm talking 15 feet,I almost always get at least 20 yrds but some times,out to 30yrds
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i was thinking the same as mike, but held my response to see what he said. If you bay a deer AND it lets you walk 50 yards to it, somethings bad wrong with it. 50 yrds,I'm talking 15 feet,I almost always get at least 20 yrds but some times,out to 30yrds I agree, Mike, I rarely shoot a bayed deer at over 20 yards.
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I've dispatched many inside of 20 feet,one time I was crawling on my belly through the thick stuff,had my head down ,looked up and whoa,there he was maybe 5,6 feet,good thing Lucy had his attention,Lucy has been baying up deer and they just fall over dead,one time in ga,I was aiming at gut shot buck from about 20 yrds,was just about to pull the trigger and he just fell over dead,didn't have to put the sig to him,
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When we find bone we know that the deer has a broken leg. A deer can heal and survive a broken leg quite well usually. Do you suggest that we not track a broken leg deer? It may be a rear leg or possibly shrapnel like bone fragments have injured the heart, stomach or lungs. I don't think very many deer survive a shattered leg,I know some do but I think that is the exception,they might live a few days,but infection,gangerine,coyotes,etc,, get the majority of them,I know of one that had a broke leg real low when it jumped a creek,because the broke leg through off its balance the other leg broke,,but I'm no medical expert,just my opinion,,
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There are a few tripods running around.
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Hey Mike,
I dont know you except from seeing pics of your work...just wanted to say you do a heck of a job. Congrats on some fine dogs too. That Lucy is really great at what she does.
Thanks for helping out so many aldeer brethren with your service.
Also, if you know Casey I figure youve got to be alright.
He has said nothing but good things about you.
good to see you post too.
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