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I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
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I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
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If it was up to me, I'd do away with just about every gun law there is.
If you get convicted of a felony with a gun there would be mandatory minimums of 25-Life. If it's a violent crime then it'd be Life in prison. There would be no parole for any of these convictions.
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I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
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I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
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The issue aint guns...the issue is dirt bag judges handing out insignificant sentences.
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Freak of Nature
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The issue aint guns...the issue is dirt bag judges handing out insignificant sentences. Like the one handed out to the two guys in Oregon that everyone wants to protest now that they finally got the correct sentence? Judges have to sentence people according to the law. Don't like the sentences, then it is the legislators fault for setting the sentence ranges.
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Freak of Nature
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Out of curiosity, what federal gun laws on the books do you think should be done away with?
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Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Freak of Nature
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So, you think felons, wife beaters, drug addicts, people with severe mental impairments should all be able to have guns? You think there shouldn't be punishment for using a firearm in furtherance of a drug crime or a violent crime? You think it shouldn't be illegal to sell a gun to a felon, or any of the other banned people? Those are just a few gun laws I will always support.
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Every law abiding citizen should be able to carry anywhere and anything a law enforcement officer can carry.
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An armed populace is a polite populace. When everyone is armed, the people you speak of are removed from the gene pool relatively quickly.
Let's say you have a guy/girl who goes through a devastating divorce with tons of mental/emotional strife caused by the other party. In the time the divorce is going on, they seek counseling for severe depression. In one of the counseling sessions they say they are contemplating suicide. Now, let's say they get through the horribleness caused by others and go back to a normal life with no depression.
The person above can never have a gun again by your rules.
Sorry, I don't like those rules. I will take care of my own security - thank you very much. The very best police force in the world with the shortest response times, the highest level of training, the absolute best in equipment and the best retention of all of those valuable human resources can not protect a single person in this world. They can simply respond to crimes after they have occurred.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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You can't comprehend what I wrote. I never said someone who suffered from depression shouldn't be able to own a gun. I never said someone who seeks mental health treatment shouldn't be able to own a gun. Those are not my rules and they are not the law either. The law deals with people with severe debilitating mental illnesses.
And armed populous can not protect a wife from her abusive husband. The police can't either. But, assuring he doesn't have a gun so that the next time he doesn't shoot her is something I will always stand behind.
Not all gun laws are bad. In fact, most federal gun laws are not a problem for anyone. It is state and local gun laws that are restrictive.
If you think every person in America regardless of their past should be walking around with a gun, you are crazy.
Do you even know anything about federal gun laws? Or are you just spouting off without knowing what you are talking about.
Can you point me to a single federal gun law that keeps a law abiding citizen from having or carrying a gun?
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You can't comprehend what I wrote. I never said someone who suffered from depression shouldn't be able to own a gun. I never said someone who seeks mental health treatment shouldn't be able to own a gun. Those are not my rules and they are not the law either. The law deals with people with severe debilitating mental illnesses.
And armed populous can not protect a wife from her abusive husband. The police can't either. But, assuring he doesn't have a gun so that the next time he doesn't shoot her is something I will always stand behind.
Not all gun laws are bad. In fact, most federal gun laws are not a problem for anyone. It is state and local gun laws that are restrictive.
If you think every person in America regardless of their past should be walking around with a gun, you are crazy.
Do you even know anything about federal gun laws? Or are you just spouting off without knowing what you are talking about.
Can you point me to a single federal gun law that keeps a law abiding citizen from having or carrying a gun? Clearly you've missed where Obama is coming into your house personally within the next 7-10 business days to get all of your guns
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Freak of Nature
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So, you think felons, wife beaters, drug addicts, people with severe mental impairments should all be able to have guns? You think there shouldn't be punishment for using a firearm in furtherance of a drug crime or a violent crime? You think it shouldn't be illegal to sell a gun to a felon, or any of the other banned people? Those are just a few gun laws I will always support. We need to be like Facebook and have a Like button. Having dealt with the negative side of society all my working career, I will unequivocally maintain that there are just some people in our society that have no business with guns. This is for everyone's protection, often including their own .
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Can you point me to a single federal gun law that keeps a law abiding citizen from having or carrying a gun?
Just playing devils advocate here but isn't is against the law for a law abiding citizen to carry a gun into a church? A school? An airplane? I seem to recall shootings in those places recently.
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No, it is not against any federal law for you to carry a gun in a church or a school. You can not carry one on a plane. You can take one on a plan in checked bag. I can't remember ever hearing about a shooting on a plane in recent years.
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I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED THIS AND NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND AN ANSWER, THE SECOND AMENDMENT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS CORRECT? SO IF THE LAW STATES CONVICTED FELONS ECT CAN NOT HAVE A FIREARM IS THAT NOT INFRINGING ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES? THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION AND I DO NOT CONDONE THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE HAVING GUNS
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There was recently a case about that exact issue. The court (I can't remember which Circuit Court of Appeals) said they constitution did allow for some people like felons or those illegally in the country to be restricted.
There was a discussion about it on here becuse someone read an article and not the opinion and came on Aldeer to announce that liberal judge ruled that illegal aliens could carry guns. The opinion stated nothing like that.
I will see if I can dig it up. It was an interesting discussion on the 2nd amendments and why and how certian people could be banned from having a gun.
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It was the 7th circuit. Several articles say the judges gave illegal aliens the right to have a gun, but that isn't true. I posted the entire opinion at the time. If you read it you see that the court was clear that the government was allowed to restrict certain people from possessing guns.
Other circuits and the Supreme Court have held the same way for felons.
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I believe the second amendment was meant to include any weapon our government has access to. How else would we protect ourselves from an oppressive government? That being said, if Uncle Sam wanted to take our guns forcefully and right now, I reckon we have about a snowballs chance you know where, of stopping them with our semi auto rifles and shotguns. You are not going to stop f-18's or even a B-52, very effectively with the weapons that we have access to. Sure, a few have a FFL that allows them to have SLIGHTLY better than average weapons, but that is yet another issue. They have to PAY for what is supposed to be a RIGHT ensured by the 2nd. Even then, it's conditional. But then the USA provides some of the most sophisticated weaponry in the world to some occupiers of some really bad real estate halfway around the world, to people that hate us to start with. I don't get it. Well, really I do, it just irks me to admit it.  OK, I'm done for now.
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I agree that people legally allowed to own guns should be able to have any and every gun made if they want it. I disagree with the gun controls act of 1968, except for selling guns in catalogs or on the Internet from dealers with no background checks and the national firearms act of 1934.
There is not reason we should not all be able to have fully automatic guns and suppressor.
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I guess the simple answer is that certain rights can be taken away for being convicted of certain crimes. Right to vote, 2nd ammendment rights, your freedom and even your life in certain cases. I am sure there are more thorough ways of explaining it.
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I don't agree with any of it , if I want to do bodily harm to someone there are many ways to do it , leave our guns alone. Crazy folks exsist get over it . I would a lot rather the crazy man go on a rampage with an AR than pipe bombs, or poisoning people , take away guns and thats the kind of tactics crazy folks will use .. The media stirs up to much unnecsary bs over a few random shootings. Hang the sons of bitches on the town square and let the rednecks spit on em . If we all have guns the crazy ones want last long .
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