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Originally Posted By: wmd
Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...


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Originally Posted By: wmd
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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...

Killing males doesn't really effect the population. Killing females has a huge impact on population.

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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...



Killing males doesn't really effect the population. Killing females has a huge impact on population.


Killing antlered males doesn't effect the population that badly. Killing unantlered deer has a hugh impact on the population.

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Originally Posted By: bigt
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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


Close the season on does. All seasons bow, muzzleloader and rifle. This needs to be done on all public land for sure.

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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...

Killing males doesn't really effect the population. Killing females has a huge impact on population.

Exactly......


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Originally Posted By: wmd
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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...


That's what I love about people.....some love to go to extremes to try and make a point everything from kill them all to just close the whole season lol.


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Originally Posted By: bigt
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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...


That's what I love about people.....some love to go to extremes to try and make a point everything from kill them all to just close the whole season lol.


No, it is not to make an extreme point. Look back through the posts in this thread and other others one here where people talk about how they get no deer on camera, see no deer, no evidence of deer eating food plots ..., if the populations are that low in those areas why wouldn't you give them every opportunity to recover or lessen the harvest pressure?

It is done around the state with turkeys, some counties get 46 days, some 30, some even less, and some are not opened at all. The season limit for turkeys in all of those opened counties is the same, 5 gobblers, but hunters just have fewer days in the field to achieve their limit and hens are never allowed to be killed. I just don't understand why you wouldn't treat deer herds the same way if you KNOW (not think) that you have a problem in certain areas?


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Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...


That's what I love about people.....some love to go to extremes to try and make a point everything from kill them all to just close the whole season lol.


No, it is not to make an extreme point. Look back through the posts in this thread and other others one here where people talk about how they get no deer on camera, see no deer, no evidence of deer eating food plots ..., if the populations are that low in those areas why wouldn't you give them every opportunity to recover or lessen the harvest pressure?

It is done around the state with turkeys, some counties get 46 days, some 30, some even less, and some are not opened at all. The season limit for turkeys in all of those opened counties is the same, 5 gobblers, but hunters just have fewer days in the field to achieve their limit and hens are never allowed to be killed. I just don't understand why you wouldn't treat deer herds the same way if you KNOW (not think) that you have a problem in certain areas?


If you don't have money, you ain't getting quality hunting in this state. Just saw a post, that it would cost $5000.00 to join a club. The rich get the deer the poor get the shaft. I have a lifetime license and would only be required to spend 20.00 to hunt the WMAs. They ain't worth it. Public land is crap, herd shot to pieces.

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The biologist supposedly working to redistrict and reduce the doe harvest, just posted in the Jackson rut thread that he ain't killed a deer in two years. He's still going to blast the next deer he sees. May have even said doe. Deer herd is surely in trouble. They are celebrating the arrival of turkey hunting in April. The deer hunting is that bad. Sounds worse than I even thought.

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Originally Posted By: codie
Just saw a post, that it would cost $5000.00 to join a club. The rich get the deer the poor get the shaft. I have a lifetime license and would only be required to spend 20.00 to hunt the WMAs. They ain't worth it. Public land is crap, herd shot to pieces.


You're talking to the wrong folks if you think a club is going to cost you $5,000. More like $1,200.

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Codie- read before you look even dumber...


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I'm not working on reducing anything. I posed a question to provoke thought and discussion, which it did.

Are you asking me to provide details of each property I have the opportunity to hunt/take an antlerless deer? I really don't think that falls under any part of being a state employee. If it does I'll be happy to oblige.

Since you asked...I will probably kill the first doe I see on the overpopulated property I have the opportunity to hunt in Coosa County and play my role in the very intense deer/ habitat management program. Anymore questions?

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Originally Posted By: codie
The biologist supposedly working to redistrict and reduce the doe harvest, just posted in the Jackson rut thread that he ain't killed a deer in two years. He's still going to blast the next deer he sees. May have even said doe. Deer herd is surely in trouble. They are celebrating the arrival of turkey hunting in April. The deer hunting is that bad. Sounds worse than I even thought.


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If you don't have money, you ain't getting quality hunting in this state. Just saw a post, that it would cost $5000.00 to join a club. The rich get the deer the poor get the shaft. I have a lifetime license and would only be required to spend 20.00 to hunt the WMAs. They ain't worth it. Public land is crap, herd shot to pieces.



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Cut the two does a day out , do more to educate hunters on conservation and wildlife managment , the hunters safety course could do a liitle more in that regard . Anything to educate.

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Originally Posted By: wmd
Why not shorten or close the season in all of these areas that have such low (or seemingly declining) populations? Seems to be the solution for other game animals.

Closing the doe season or shortening the doe season is two of the options that have been discussed......


I am not talking about doe season, but deer season. Some of the folks on here sound like they don't have huntable populations based on the lack of deer seen, photographed, ...


That's what I love about people.....some love to go to extremes to try and make a point everything from kill them all to just close the whole season lol.


No, it is not to make an extreme point. Look back through the posts in this thread and other others one here where people talk about how they get no deer on camera, see no deer, no evidence of deer eating food plots ..., if the populations are that low in those areas why wouldn't you give them every opportunity to recover or lessen the harvest pressure?

It is done around the state with turkeys, some counties get 46 days, some 30, some even less, and some are not opened at all. The season limit for turkeys in all of those opened counties is the same, 5 gobblers, but hunters just have fewer days in the field to achieve their limit and hens are never allowed to be killed. I just don't understand why you wouldn't treat deer herds the same way if you KNOW (not think) that you have a problem in certain areas?

You do not have to close the season to rebuild the herd just close or severely restrict doe season/ limits and the rest will take care of itself. The State has had to do this before and it worked maybe too good in some areas. Just like when the started the liberal doe limit to reduce the herd. It worked and worked too good in some areas. There are happy mediums out there the state just has to be more proactive in those areas where there is need.

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Originally Posted By: RonBuck
Cut the two does a day out , do more to educate hunters on conservation and wildlife managment , the hunters safety course could do a liitle more in that regard . Anything to educate.


There is only 1 doe a day here in Colbert Co, might be that way thruout the State.
I know 3 guys that averaged seeing over 15 does a day this past weekend, and one guy yesterday had 21 on the field with (1) 6 point. He's saving that field for his daughter. Only hunted that field a few times this whole season.

We have plenty of does right here in the western end of Colbert.


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Cut the two does a day out , do more to educate hunters on conservation and wildlife managment , the hunters safety course could do a liitle more in that regard . Anything to educate.


There is only 1 doe a day here in Colbert Co, might be that way thruout the State.
I know 3 guys that averaged seeing over 15 does a day this past weekend, and one guy yesterday had 21 on the field with (1) 6 point. He's saving that field for his daughter. Only hunted that field a few times this whole season.

We have plenty of does right here in the western end of Colbert.


That's why earlier in the thread we discussed the State managing the State in districts and not as a whole. There are places where the deer population in this state are evidently prospering and areas that are in trouble. Both areas should not be managed the same.....


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Have two one week gun seasons for either sex plus week of pw and keep it one a day.Have an either sex limit by county and go to a true tag system.


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Originally Posted By: Matt Brock
Would the hunters in this state be in favor of any changes to the current regs regarding doe harvests? If so, would "doe days" or a season limit, or both be something you would like to see?


I don't care/concern myself with anything other than public land, and land near public land. I grew up hunting on the Talladega National Forest in the sixties and seventies when the only deer in the state were on the Forest. Lack of deer on private land concentrated all the hunters on the WMAs. They had three, two day gun hunts a year on Hollis and Choccolocca. The doe to buck ratio was probably 10/15:1. Only antlered deer with visible bone above the hairline were legal. The harvest was probably 90% of the yearling bucks born each year. The WMAs looked like pumkin patches, on these hunts. Hunters were every where. It was insane. I somehow managed to kill a trophy 3 and a half year old 8 point on 8 January 1972. The deer only weighed 115 lbs. but, at the time and under the management system he was a monster.

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