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Joined: Oct 2001
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Here's the scenario. Property is mixed hardwoods and pines. The pines are in scattered stands from 5- 50 acres and approximately 30 yr old first generation Weyerhaeuser pines. They've been thinned but are starting to have a problem with pine beetles. What would be the best management plan for land like this? The primary goals would be maximum short and long term wildlife benefits and hunting.
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4 point
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Long leaf pines - check out NRCS Gopher Tortoise Initiative.
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At that age, they aren't going to get any healthier for the most part. Are you sure it's beetles? Could be pine decline. Is this Weyerhaeuser property or just Weyerhaeuser seedling stock on private property?
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Seedling stock on private property
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Need to see the stand, but at 30 years old I would probably whack and stack them and replant with 3rd generation loblolly.
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At that age, they aren't going to get any healthier for the most part. Are you sure it's beetles? Could be pine decline. Is this Weyerhaeuser property or just Weyerhaeuser seedling stock on private property?
That's what we had in some of our pines. Ty told us they weren't due to clear them for another 7 yrs but due to decline they had to take all the trees off that block or loose them. Just gave us another 50ac of clearcut to hunt.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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I've seen more issues and failures with "super tree" seedlings than I ever cared to. From decline to fusiform rust and galls to split trunks. They're not real good imho
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The easy answer is what timbercruiser described. Whack and stack and replant.
I'm curious if there are additional options to maximize wildlife benefit. Maybe long leafs planted at a large spacing and burned regularly to maximize browse? Or thin really hard and hope for the best with the remaining trees (similar to Gobblers pics)
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If your primary goal is wildlife habitat, long leaf is the way to go. If using a forestry consultant, be sure he understands what YOUR objectives are. I wouldn't plant loblolly if timber production was not my main objective. I don't know what programs are available in your county, but you should be able to do a clearcut and then use the programs to create firebreaks, spray, burn and replant at little or no cost to you. JMO
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Longleaf is great for wildlife and the neat part to me is it takes 5-6 years before the trees really shoot up early on they are establishing the root system after that then you get to burn every two years and the trees really thrive off the heat .
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Need to see the stand, but at 30 years old I would probably whack and stack them and replant with 3rd generation loblolly. Note this: The primary goals would be maximum short and long term wildlife benefits and hunting.
If your primary goal is wildlife habitat, long leaf is the way to go. If using a forestry consultant, be sure he understands what YOUR objectives are. I wouldn't plant loblolly if timber production was not my main objective. I don't know what programs are available in your county, but you should be able to do a clearcut and then use the programs to create firebreaks, spray, burn and replant at little or no cost to you. JMO
 Plenty of programs available for longleaf planting. DCNR, NRCS (WHIP, EQIP, Gopher program, etc), if cropland, Farm Service Agency (CRP, the biggest money giveaway there is!)
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What spacing do you plant longleaf?
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NRCS longleaf pine planting density fact sheet
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Old Mossy Horns
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Long leafs are on 8x10 spacing for most programs. [img:center]http://  [/img] These are mine at year 5 and are still very huntable.
Last edited by Turkey_neck; 01/05/16 10:35 AM.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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What spacing do you plant longleaf? Depends on the cost-share program. Some run 435 per acre (10x10), some allow 680 per acre (8x8). I like the heavier density myself. Start burning at year 2 and every other year or every 3rd year thereafter.
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