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I've hunted in Cullman county my whole life and I see deer almost every time I climb so I can't agree with a decline in numbers. Not saying there's not a decline in all areas but definitely not in mine

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Originally Posted By: bucknaked
I've hunted in Cullman county my whole life and I see deer almost every time I climb so I can't agree with a decline in numbers. Not saying there's not a decline in all areas but definitely not in mine
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You must hunt in a fence laugh

I work Cullman Co. and when we try to do deer surveys we chase the same one around the whole county. Seriously, parts of Cullman are pretty lacking.

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I don't hunt a fence but I should have been more specific. I hunt the most southern part of Cullman and see tons of deer but I live in northern Cullman and don't see half the deer here so I guess numbers can be drastically different within just a few miles.

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Be a lot of upset folks if they couldn't kill 2 yr old gobblers!
That'd be 90% of the harvest. I feel the same way about turkeys that you guys do about deer. Seriously lacking in some of my areas.


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Originally Posted By: Matt Brock

Originally Posted By: Honolua
If you put a limit of 2 bucks (8pt or better) and 2 does once every 5 years we'd have the best hunting in the country.


The states goal never has been, and I hope it never will be, to have the best hunting in the country (as for trophy deer). Look, I'm a trophy hunter myself, with personal standards, and hunt with like-minded people who share the same standards. Imposing my way of hunting, and my standards on an entire state with multiple user groups expecting different experiences when they head to the woods just ain't right. Everybody don't hunt for 150" trophies. We don't manage ANY other resource that way. Why should we deer? We don't place age restrictions on squirrels, ducks, turkeys, or any other game animals.


Matt it's too bad more folks don't think like you. Most have the attitude of my way is best and to hell with everyone that don't agree. you sound like a good ole' boy.

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Originally Posted By: bucknaked
I've hunted in Cullman county my whole life and I see deer almost every time I climb so I can't agree with a decline in numbers. Not saying there's not a decline in all areas but definitely not in mine


How long is "My whole life"?

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Originally Posted By: globe
I feel the same way about turkeys that you guys do about deer. Seriously lacking in some of my areas.


me too. Read my first post in this thread




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How long is "My whole life"? [/quote]
Around 20 years

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I get tickled as I read through these threads and guys start out talking about the health of the herd, then on to mature bucks, and then wind up talking about which deer to kill by antler size.

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Nobody needs to kill 20 does off their property unless they have a fence around it. Mother Nature will take care of it if you are over populated.


That's a pretty broad statement. We've been killing 20-30 does a year off 2,000 acres for 7 years and you can't tell it one bit. Still plenty of deer. Saying that "nobody" needs to kill 20 does on their place unless it is fenced it absolutely no different than the opinions of those who think you should kill every doe you see. From one extreme to the other.


That is not what I said. I didn't say you should kill ZERO does. I don't care what a guy shoots. He/She just doesn't need to kill 25 of them per hunter. If you want to know what I think.... I think 5 total on the season is a reasonable limit.

However... It doesn't matter to me if you killed 100 of 2k. I could probably do the same at my place, but I'm not going to try it. Based on the herd health and horns I see... proves to me you don't have to shoot does. I hunted in Jackson County in the early 80's. I know what the woods look like when you are overpopulated. I have found young underweight deer frozen after a snow. Been there. Which is why I said permitted shooting should still be in play.

We have moved to unlimited doe harvest on a property I own in Middle Tennessee. Went from shooting a couple 150 class deer a year to none on the camera surveys. Deer overall sightings are waay down.

Doe killing. That's the culprit.


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Originally Posted By: bucknaked
How long is "My whole life"?
Around 20 years

I wish you could have hunted 20 years ago.

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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
I think 5 total on the season is a reasonable limit..


There we go. Think this is the kind of answer NH was asking for.

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Haha I guess I don't know what I missed

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I'm for a doe limit .... I view it like this...

If you are going to live off the goose that lays the golden eggs, you leave the goose alone...

I hunt in southern Shelby, Bibb, Perry and Chilton counties and over the years sightings are getting lower and lower on properties I hunt without a self imposed doe limit.



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Would the hunters in this state be in favor of any changes to the current regs regarding doe harvests? If so, would "doe days" or a season limit, or both be something you would like to see?

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I would prefer a season limit over doe days and verifiable tagging system.



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Originally Posted By: Matt Brock
Would the hunters in this state be in favor of any changes to the current regs regarding doe harvests? If so, would "doe days" or a season limit, or both be something you would like to see?


I don't personally want any change. We stopped killing does 2 years ago on our place, but I value ability for landowners to make their own decisions, within reason.

In my area, a 5 doe limit wouldn't really change much. Each 40 acre owner could still kill 5 deer and decimate the population if they wanted to.

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Doe days would be the debil!
If I had to choose I'd choose a limit that could be used anytime.


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Originally Posted By: Matt Brock
Would the hunters in this state be in favor of any changes to the current regs regarding doe harvests? If so, would "doe days" or a season limit, or both be something you would like to see?

Either one

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Originally Posted By: Remington270
Originally Posted By: Matt Brock
Would the hunters in this state be in favor of any changes to the current regs regarding doe harvests? If so, would "doe days" or a season limit, or both be something you would like to see?


I don't personally want any change. We stopped killing does 2 years ago on our place, but I value ability for landowners to make their own decisions, within reason.

In my area, a 5 doe limit wouldn't really change much. Each 40 acre owner could still kill 5 deer and decimate the population if they wanted to.


I say this with all due respect with no intent be personal.

I applaud you and other that have the resources and time to effectively manage your herd. Having said that, I don't reckon that the vast majority of hunters (90%) have any inclination to effectively manage the herd. I think they are like to log cabin builder that uses up all the trees in his area to build the cabin and keep a fire burning and gradually expands outward until his neighbor aint got trees either.

Most guys on this site and hunting sites are passionate and ethical enough to care about management. But we are not an accurate representation of an honest cross section of deer hunters statewide.

I honestly believe that most are shoot anything and everything that moves until there aint nothing left to shoot and move on to the next area and do the same thing.

Again, I say this respectfully; IMHO There has to be stricter management limits. If left up to the general population they will manage the herd down to zero and then start complaining.



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