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Scouts don't care what bat you use!!!!!!! If it was that big of a difference all colleges would use the same bat!


Theres ALOT of good composite bats out there and every college does use them.

I meant the same brand.



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My next door neighbor is a scout for the Cleveland Indians and he claims he is far more impressed by a kid that hits the ball with a wood bat than a kid that can smash a ball with a high end $400 bat. If they make it to the pros the kid that is comfortable with a wood bat will be better off than a kid hitting composite bats his whole life.

This is what talking about. It doesn't make a bit of difference which bat you use. If you can hit you can hit.

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Scouts don't care what bat you use!!!!!!! If it was that big of a difference all colleges would use the same bat!


4-5 Years ago Alabama baseball was in an exclusive rights deal with Nike. Nike released the restriction on Alabama from using other bat manufacturers because the Nike bat was proven it would not perform... So if a major manufacturer like Nike is willing to release someone from contract restriction because their equipment is inferior how can you say the bats don't matter? From what I have seen most college teams these days are using Eastons & Demarinis. So all colleges are basically using the same bats.


What about these teams that use tpx???

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Can we please stop acting like this modern day youth ball thing is normal?


It is normal. It's the new normal. It's not going away, either.




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Paying obscene money for bats is the LEAST of issues with tee/soft/baseball today.... #obsessivecult

What if 1/2 to 3/4 of every person in every community was at the lake with their kids, of either sex, from age 5 to 25, 5 to 6 nights per week, gone to a tournament every weekend from February till November, visited the local "casting coach" 3+ times per week, and every picture that both parents have put on Facebook for the past month solid was of those kids (again, girl or boy, small or large) holding up a fish. And every dad with a 6 year old girl or 16 year old boy has a 20 page blog conversation about casting techniques and mechanics. The mother's Facebook profile pic is her kid holding a bass. Now, would the kid having a $300 reel seem to be the most glaring issue? I rest my case.


You have a serious problem with youth ball.I've seen you post multiple times whining about this exact same thing and i dont understand it at all.If you dont wanna be involved with youth sports or get tired of seeing posts on your Facebook page about lil Jimmys homerun thats your business..delete your "friends" that you get so sick and tired of who keep posting that chit on your Facebook and move along.If us being a part of what you call an "obsessive cult" that has zero effect on you bothers you that bad then you need to take up more hobbys that keep you from worrying about what other people do.


Ha!...saying I have a serious problem with it is a massive understatement. It is the most comprehensive, all-encompassing, grossly consuming, widespread idolatry that has ever existed on the planet. Now...that better explains how I feel about it.

Next time our preacher uses some trite, harmless example of the idols in our lives during one of his sermons, I'm going to interrupt and ask for a show of hands from everyone in the room who spent more than one day this week talking about it, practicing it, buying stuff for it, going to one of the 9 different academies that have recently sprung up in our city, planned a vacation around a tournament, didn't come to church for 20 Sundays in a row last year during travel ball season, etc. You know, if we're gonna talk about inexplicably obessessive idolatry, let's just cut the crap and use an example that 400 of the 500 people in this room can relate to. Even the preacher, sir!

It's truly not a personal vendetta, but it affects me personally in that my job requires me to interact with clientele face-to-face, and literally for 9 months of the year it's just about wholly impossible to nail down any family for 30 minutes any day of the week because they're always at the ball fields. And I teach a Sunday school class of about 50 adults (ages 30-50), and I'm not fudging to say that on any Sunday during the warm months we may have 5 to 10 couples gone to tournaments. I sit before class and listen to multiple conversations about the double, triple, even quadruple headers their kids played in yesterday. What really catches my attention though is how the parents just gleam with excitement about it. I'm sorry, it's just like nothing I've ever seen. Heck, when we were kids, our parents probably didn't even come to half our games, and they were darn sure never at a practice (which we only had maybe two per week?). And my dad would've throat punched me if he thought I even had a dream about a $300 composite baseball bat???!!!...yet today we have dad's bragging and competing about who'd kid has the nicest, most expensive bat(s). Can we please stop acting like this modern day youth ball thing is normal???



So its other peoples fault for you not being able to fulfill your job dutys because they are off at the ballpark with their kids playing youth sports?

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Terrible, isn't it? Those horrible parents.


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Peach, not trying to be a dick, but your kid is wrong. The MLB HR record would be way over 100 today with aluminum bats & there would be 3-4 guys a year hitting over 400.

A $300 bat will hit a baseball on average ~5-10% further/harder than a $20 Walmart bat.
I don't disagree with your statement, but for my son it did not matter a bit. I purchased a very expensive hard maple bat for him to use at a professional show case. He broke it on the first swing and had to pick up a junk wooden bat to finish his session. He continued to hit ball after ball out of the park. With that being said, one of his college team mates came out of high school as one of the nations all time best high school hitters. He continued that success through college and everyone thought he was going to make a great pro player. When he had to start using wooden bats in the minor leagues, he could not hit a ball deeper than the warning track. Hince, he only lasted one year because of the bat.
So yes a bat can matter to some hitters but you are not allowed to use aluminum as a pro. A guy I coached and played with is in the high school coaches hall of fame and even though retired, he still is a very reputable hitting instructor. He will tell you straight up that hitters are born and I totally agree. When parents call him and ask for hitting instructions, the first thing he asks them is - Can your son hit? If they say no -- he replies: Sorry, I cant help him!





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What about TPX? Your list makes up ab 10% of the 300 Div. 1 Baseball teams. Once again let me state it. "Most" which means the majority, are using Easton and Demarini. I didn't say no other bats are being used. Name brand aside the point is there are certain bats that are superior to others. Heck, even Easton and Demarini have cheaper models. Whoever produces that top of the line bat isn't my argument. There just happens to be a trend that Easton and Demarini are at the top.

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One thing about it , a $300 dollar bat won't fix a $3 dollar swing. :p

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Paying obscene money for bats is the LEAST of issues with tee/soft/baseball today.... #obsessivecult

What if 1/2 to 3/4 of every person in every community was at the lake with their kids, of either sex, from age 5 to 25, 5 to 6 nights per week, gone to a tournament every weekend from February till November, visited the local "casting coach" 3+ times per week, and every picture that both parents have put on Facebook for the past month solid was of those kids (again, girl or boy, small or large) holding up a fish. And every dad with a 6 year old girl or 16 year old boy has a 20 page blog conversation about casting techniques and mechanics. The mother's Facebook profile pic is her kid holding a bass. Now, would the kid having a $300 reel seem to be the most glaring issue? I rest my case.


You have a serious problem with youth ball.I've seen you post multiple times whining about this exact same thing and i dont understand it at all.If you dont wanna be involved with youth sports or get tired of seeing posts on your Facebook page about lil Jimmys homerun thats your business..delete your "friends" that you get so sick and tired of who keep posting that chit on your Facebook and move along.If us being a part of what you call an "obsessive cult" that has zero effect on you bothers you that bad then you need to take up more hobbys that keep you from worrying about what other people do.


Ha!...saying I have a serious problem with it is a massive understatement. It is the most comprehensive, all-encompassing, grossly consuming, widespread idolatry that has ever existed on the planet. Now...that better explains how I feel about it.

Next time our preacher uses some trite, harmless example of the idols in our lives during one of his sermons, I'm going to interrupt and ask for a show of hands from everyone in the room who spent more than one day this week talking about it, practicing it, buying stuff for it, going to one of the 9 different academies that have recently sprung up in our city, planned a vacation around a tournament, didn't come to church for 20 Sundays in a row last year during travel ball season, etc. You know, if we're gonna talk about inexplicably obessessive idolatry, let's just cut the crap and use an example that 400 of the 500 people in this room can relate to. Even the preacher, sir!

It's truly not a personal vendetta, but it affects me personally in that my job requires me to interact with clientele face-to-face, and literally for 9 months of the year it's just about wholly impossible to nail down any family for 30 minutes any day of the week because they're always at the ball fields. And I teach a Sunday school class of about 50 adults (ages 30-50), and I'm not fudging to say that on any Sunday during the warm months we may have 5 to 10 couples gone to tournaments. I sit before class and listen to multiple conversations about the double, triple, even quadruple headers their kids played in yesterday. What really catches my attention though is how the parents just gleam with excitement about it. I'm sorry, it's just like nothing I've ever seen. Heck, when we were kids, our parents probably didn't even come to half our games, and they were darn sure never at a practice (which we only had maybe two per week?). And my dad would've throat punched me if he thought I even had a dream about a $300 composite baseball bat???!!!...yet today we have dad's bragging and competing about who'd kid has the nicest, most expensive bat(s). Can we please stop acting like this modern day youth ball thing is normal???



So its other peoples fault for you not being able to fulfill your job dutys because they are off at the ballpark with their kids playing youth sports?


Sounds like he would prefer everyone pull their kids out of youth sports, buy them a $400 video game console and 25 or so of the $50-$75 video games that they want. Then you'd have to get the kids bags of chips, snacks, and cokes, and one of the fancy video game chairs with the speakers right behind the kid's head. In the end, you'd wind up with an overweight, deaf kid, whose thumbs are swollen and calloused from the video game controller.

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Oh, I do fulfill my job duties, that's not the problem...only a symptom. It's a belabored effort for sure though. And I don't suggest they are horrible parents...not sure how we'd quantify/qualify that either. I'm not suggesting they are super parents for their hyper-involvement, nor horrible parents for their pushy insistence that their kid plays. I don't believe either of those things. I think we both know what I'm saying, no sense in trying to deflect or counterpoint. It isn't even a baseball thing, nor would it be a reflection of the specific hobby involved no matter what it was. The whole thing baffles me for a few reasons:

People are more selfish than this--it's just the nature of humanity. One of the greatest truisms I've ever heard is "People do what they want to do." You cannot persuade me that this many parents are selflessly sacrificing their own lives to cater to their children in such a manner. Parents don't display this same level of dedication to anything else, EVEN THEIR KIDS. Parents WANT to do this, for themselves, and really that's at the heart of what I'm missing. I'm most curious to know what the parent (the adult) REALLY likes about it? Again, you won't convince me, and the deepest level, it's all for the kid(s) and this is just a duty that a parent does. I'm willing to concede that to an extent, but what drives such a large percentage of the adults in a community to give so much of their life to a child's game? Y'all are seriously into this stuff, I mean like crazy about it. Is it like the character in the cable commercials, "Peaked in high school Rob Lowe?" It's just a level of commitment and participation like nothing else. If it were a small number of isolated adults (like it was when we were young) I could understand it, it wouldn't even seem weird. Am I just the only one who genuinely realizes how many people (moms included, not just dads like it used to be) are at the fields every night??? Seriously y'all, it's like half the town is there every night, every week, for 3/4 of the year. What gives??

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Originally Posted By: Chad Burnette
One thing about it , a $300 dollar bat won't fix a $3 dollar swing. :p

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Sports provide tons of things to young men and women.

Studies show that you likely report to someone that played sports as a child.

Time and time again the experts agree that sport participation is a good thing.

Do some take it too far? Sure. But the positives outweigh the negatives.

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You cannot persuade me that this many parents are selflessly sacrificing their own lives to cater to their children in such a manner.


Some, and I'd venture to say a lot, actually do this. They love their kids enough to put their own lives and desires partially on hold for 10 or so years, or find a good balance to do the 'extra' things, before the kids leave the house as young adults. Some, agreed, will be the "Rob Lowe peaked in high school" parents living vicariously. But not all of them, and I'd say not the majority of them.

Some parents, too, are repeating what their parents did and are jealous, defensive, sensitive or downright mean about what their own kids do or want to do: you don't need all that, here's a scruffy $10 bat from the yard sale, quit asking, get in the truck. In short, they're pissed off because their kid is trying to enjoy being a kid with his friends and because the parent wasn't able to enjoy his/her childhood, they're hardasses about it. Have seen that before, too.


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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
Paying obscene money for bats is the LEAST of issues with tee/soft/baseball today.... #obsessivecult

What if 1/2 to 3/4 of every person in every community was at the lake with their kids, of either sex, from age 5 to 25, 5 to 6 nights per week, gone to a tournament every weekend from February till November, visited the local "casting coach" 3+ times per week, and every picture that both parents have put on Facebook for the past month solid was of those kids (again, girl or boy, small or large) holding up a fish. And every dad with a 6 year old girl or 16 year old boy has a 20 page blog conversation about casting techniques and mechanics. The mother's Facebook profile pic is her kid holding a bass. Now, would the kid having a $300 reel seem to be the most glaring issue? I rest my case.


You have a serious problem with youth ball.I've seen you post multiple times whining about this exact same thing and i dont understand it at all.If you dont wanna be involved with youth sports or get tired of seeing posts on your Facebook page about lil Jimmys homerun thats your business..delete your "friends" that you get so sick and tired of who keep posting that chit on your Facebook and move along.If us being a part of what you call an "obsessive cult" that has zero effect on you bothers you that bad then you need to take up more hobbys that keep you from worrying about what other people do.


Ha!...saying I have a serious problem with it is a massive understatement. It is the most comprehensive, all-encompassing, grossly consuming, widespread idolatry that has ever existed on the planet. Now...that better explains how I feel about it.

Next time our preacher uses some trite, harmless example of the idols in our lives during one of his sermons, I'm going to interrupt and ask for a show of hands from everyone in the room who spent more than one day this week talking about it, practicing it, buying stuff for it, going to one of the 9 different academies that have recently sprung up in our city, planned a vacation around a tournament, didn't come to church for 20 Sundays in a row last year during travel ball season, etc. You know, if we're gonna talk about inexplicably obessessive idolatry, let's just cut the crap and use an example that 400 of the 500 people in this room can relate to. Even the preacher, sir!

It's truly not a personal vendetta, but it affects me personally in that my job requires me to interact with clientele face-to-face, and literally for 9 months of the year it's just about wholly impossible to nail down any family for 30 minutes any day of the week because they're always at the ball fields. And I teach a Sunday school class of about 50 adults (ages 30-50), and I'm not fudging to say that on any Sunday during the warm months we may have 5 to 10 couples gone to tournaments. I sit before class and listen to multiple conversations about the double, triple, even quadruple headers their kids played in yesterday. What really catches my attention though is how the parents just gleam with excitement about it. I'm sorry, it's just like nothing I've ever seen. Heck, when we were kids, our parents probably didn't even come to half our games, and they were darn sure never at a practice (which we only had maybe two per week?). And my dad would've throat punched me if he thought I even had a dream about a $300 composite baseball bat???!!!...yet today we have dad's bragging and competing about who'd kid has the nicest, most expensive bat(s). Can we please stop acting like this modern day youth ball thing is normal???



So its other peoples fault for you not being able to fulfill your job dutys because they are off at the ballpark with their kids playing youth sports?


Sounds like he would prefer everyone pull their kids out of youth sports, buy them a $400 video game console and 25 or so of the $50-$75 video games that they want. Then you'd have to get the kids bags of chips, snacks, and cokes, and one of the fancy video game chairs with the speakers right behind the kid's head. In the end, you'd wind up with an overweight, deaf kid, whose thumbs are swollen and calloused from the video game controller.


Atleast he would be able to be more productive at his job and hey...thats all that matters. loco

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Gentlemen....BBCOR standards for high school bats...look it up.
The bats have been strongly regulated since 2012. Senior league, dixie youth, little league, and softball are not regulated by these standards. Again-20$ bat vs. 500$ bat theres no a whole lot of difference for high school age kids.
This is for high school baseball in the state of alabama and any other states that play according to NFHS rules.

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how many of you experts played baseball after HS? I dont want peaked in HS rob lowe

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how many of you experts played baseball after HS? I dont want peaked in HS rob lowe


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how many of you experts played baseball after HS? I dont want peaked in HS rob lowe


What does this have to do with a $300 bat vs $50 bat?

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how many of you experts played baseball after HS? I dont want peaked in HS rob lowe


What does this have to do with a $300 bat vs $50 bat?

Nothing, he has had no substance to his argument thus far so he is trying to discredit others by their level of experience.

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Oh, I do fulfill my job duties, that's not the problem...only a symptom. It's a belabored effort for sure though. And I don't suggest they are horrible parents...not sure how we'd quantify/qualify that either. I'm not suggesting they are super parents for their hyper-involvement, nor horrible parents for their pushy insistence that their kid plays. I don't believe either of those things. I think we both know what I'm saying, no sense in trying to deflect or counterpoint. It isn't even a baseball thing, nor would it be a reflection of the specific hobby involved no matter what it was. The whole thing baffles me for a few reasons:

People are more selfish than this--it's just the nature of humanity. One of the greatest truisms I've ever heard is "People do what they want to do." You cannot persuade me that this many parents are selflessly sacrificing their own lives to cater to their children in such a manner. Parents don't display this same level of dedication to anything else, EVEN THEIR KIDS. Parents WANT to do this, for themselves, and really that's at the heart of what I'm missing. I'm most curious to know what the parent (the adult) REALLY likes about it? Again, you won't convince me, and the deepest level, it's all for the kid(s) and this is just a duty that a parent does. I'm willing to concede that to an extent, but what drives such a large percentage of the adults in a community to give so much of their life to a child's game? Y'all are seriously into this stuff, I mean like crazy about it. Is it like the character in the cable commercials, "Peaked in high school Rob Lowe?" It's just a level of commitment and participation like nothing else. If it were a small number of isolated adults (like it was when we were young) I could understand it, it wouldn't even seem weird. Am I just the only one who genuinely realizes how many people (moms included, not just dads like it used to be) are at the fields every night??? Seriously y'all, it's like half the town is there every night, every week, for 3/4 of the year. What gives??


You know what drives me crazy,is when I'm at the ballfield with my child watching her play and practice and I look around and other kids parents aren't there or there's the mom out there with her other kids because daddy is gone fishing or to the hunting camp,there are some "rob lowes" in every crowd but atleast they are involved with their children instead of staying gone hunting or fishing every time they get a chance,I'd much rather be in the woods or on the river but my kid wants to play ball so I'm there whenever I can be,I don't put them on the back burner just so I can enjoy my hobbies and not theirs

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Yes that correct reptar. I don't like to get advice from people that aren't knowledgable about the topic. just saying you have to have some experience and understand baseball to understand a bat. I wouldn't expect some one who has never played golf to know the difference between big Bertha and Ping.

What say you rick4au?

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