I've got a set of cheap Walls I bought on sale for $35 years ago and they are better than the should have been for price. Also have old Browning Hydrofleece that are great. This year I bought the Primaloft Russell pants on sale on eBay and they're not bad. You get the theme. I don't buy anything that's not on sale. I like the Walls and Russell's because zippers go all the way to hips. That's a must feature in my book if you carry your stuff and put if on at the stand.