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First of all it is public land and if you work you help pay for the maintenance of the land and everyone should be able to use it. I do think there should be restrictions on what can be on the land (4 wheeler's and dirt bikes) Most of it should be vehicle free. A then there are things on the land that the general pulic can't use without helping pay a little extra, such as campgrounds, showers and shooting ranges. Now shouldn't you have to pay a few bucks to maintain the well being of wildlife so they can be harvested.
I say we should. JMO
It's not a Passion, it's an Obsession. That's what I tell my wife, but she promptly informs it's a disease to which is incurable.
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Define joy riding. Just make any destructive behavior illegal but do not give more money to the system.
The system is a cancer that must charge more, restrict more, enforce more, hire more, and grow more to sustain it'self. Money is the food it needs to grow.
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instead of fighting for a new fee why not fight to end the fee you pay to hunt/fish .
always ok to put a tax on some body else i guess , why we have so damn many .
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Yes they should have to pay to use the property also. Maybe with a little more money they could enforce the rules. Wife and I were on the WMA over by Perdido River a couple weeks ago and a bunch of 4 wheelers were riding all over the place looked like you were at some sort of mud bog races. The rules plainly state no 4 wheelers but apparently nobody enforces it.
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This has become more of a "I support Democrats" thread than anything else..... Tax...tax...tax... Fees...fees..fees... May as well throw a nonuser fee in there to help pay for the LEO's to enforce.....put up more gates...put more fences up to keep the two wheelers out... Make they sure they use reinforced steel fences too....so a pair of snips won't cut the barb wire.... Since the money will be so well spent....I'm sure the new influx of funds will be put to good use and completely stop all of the joyriders...... Now that I think about.... Yes...I'm for it..... 
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yes, but the management areas are managed poorly to me anyways. seems like all the state is concerned with on wma's is filling the whole damn place with longleaf pines so the pileated woodpecker can live, screw planting foodplots for deer and turkeys. if i had control of the wma's the very first thing i would do is clear cut about 70 percent of the land and cut the 100 year old hardwoods and longleafs off of it, leave a few seed trees maybe 1 every 100 yards, use part of the timber money to bulldoze half of what was cut to make agricultural fields that farmers could lease from the state to grow corn or soybean, let the other half of what was cut regenerate on its own creating good bedding and food. use the money from the leased agricultural land to plant some freakin foodplots. then, you could call it a management area. right now they are just public hunting land. You're thinking of the Red Cockaded Woodpecker.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Booner
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WMA= Wildlife Management Area. It's not the same as a state park or national forest. They could write a hundred tickets for not having the signed map I'm sure.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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10 point
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Aren't some if not most of the WMAs still privately held land that is leased to the state? It would be a shame if some of these leases aren't renewed due to destruction of property. I'd vote yes.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Aren't some if not most of the WMAs still privately held land that is leased to the state? It would be a shame if some of these leases aren't renewed due to destruction of property. I'd vote yes. Why do you need a fee to prevent destruction? Just close it to rec vehicles.
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Freak of Nature
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Here's another angle, when FW aka "the State", buys property it is taken off the tax rolls and no property taxes are paid. So Dog votes.......pay up boys and girls.
"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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Booner
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"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Booner
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Aren't some if not most of the WMAs still privately held land that is leased to the state? It would be a shame if some of these leases aren't renewed due to destruction of property. I'd vote yes. Why do you need a fee to prevent destruction? Just close it to rec vehicles. Because that's too easy.... They want every one to pay....as they are.....
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Booner
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At least someone with authority is keeping tabs......  Keep up the good work.....
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Would you support a law requiring people who joy ride on WMAs to have to purchase a WMA license? I would vote yes in a heart beat. YES. And pecker (and peckerless) heads that ride bikes on public roads buy tags as well. 
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Booner
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Would you support a law requiring people who joy ride on WMAs to have to purchase a WMA license? I would vote yes in a heart beat. And pecker (and peckerless) heads that ride bikes on public roads buy tags as well.  And that's long overdue!!!
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10 point
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This got off topic, I am still interested in who would or wouldn't support it.
There are a lot of factors that go in to decisions on WMA management and where/how funds are used and that is a different discussion than the one posed.
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Freak of Nature
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“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Aren't some if not most of the WMAs still privately held land that is leased to the state? It would be a shame if some of these leases aren't renewed due to destruction of property. I'd vote yes. Why do you need a fee to prevent destruction? Just close it to rec vehicles. It doesn't need to be closed to rec vehicles. I enjoy riding and camping on the WMA. It's public land. It should be open to legal outdoor activities. Whoever, if someone is going to use it, purchase a permit like everyone else. It's not a TAX! It's a permit to use the land.
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
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Yes. Why should one activity on public land require a permit but another doesn't? Whether or not anyone should pay is a separate discussion. Anyone that doesn't want to pay the same as hunters, just wants to keep on enjoying the public land access that us hunters provide without paying one dime of their own money.
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Anyone that doesn't want to pay the same as hunters, just wants to keep on enjoying the public land access that us hunters provide without paying one dime of their own money. Really... So my hard earned tax money that's being spent on THIS doesn't count... I'm a hunter...but hunters aren't the only ones "providing the land" If it wasn't for the tax money being spent to purchase and acquire these lands...public hunters would be out of luck altogether....
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