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Joined: May 2006
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10 point
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Driveby I will man up also , the only time I like to hunt is when the bucks are searching or looking or running or whatever you call want to call it because to me your chances are alot better to maybe get a shot at a great deer and most of the time if you have a hot doe you have multiple bucks following or chasing behind and I'm not looking to take the doe.
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Booner
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Ickrn, Instead of split season in Dec, how about shaving the 2 weeks off in Oct? I love to bow hunt but not in 90 degree weather. Take 2 off the front and put it on the back and do a blackpowder hunt. I just really don't like the idea of split seasons and such especially since the north is still good hunting in early December How about they just set deer season from mid- October to mid-February, and all the qdm believers can just quit hunting whenever you feel the need to. Hunting seasons don't mean you have to hunt when you don't want to hunt. So, just don't hunt!! You won't get a ticket for that. Then, if you want to bow hunt, blackpowder hunt, spear hunt whatever just have at it. Dead deer are dead deer any time and way you kill them. They are just as dead when you let them walk and they die after the season ends. I haven't heard anybody that's advocating this crap bragging about how good their "harvests" are because they already split their season. It's always something the state needs to do for them. Well, why not just go ahead and do it yourself and quit waiting on the state to tell you it's OK. Since we are all worried about what's going on somewhere else, I'll even give you my permission to split your season. There, now you're good to go.
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Doing the best I can.
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If we don't need the state to split the season, why do we need them to set the season from mid-October to mid-February as you suggest? Opening and closing a season is the same regardless of when you do it. Why do you advocate it in one situation then not in another?
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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Booner
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Driveby,
We are talking about a bill in the legislature here, not a rule made by the DCNR. Our legislature is not bound by the limits it set for the DCNR.
Besides, I'm not advocating closing hunting season for any reason other than to preserve the species for hunting and enjoyment of the people however else they want to enjoy them. If you want to just put your crosshairs on them and not shoot, fine.
Discussing what somebody else suggests isn't quite the same as advocating something in my view. If you see it otherwise, fine. We don't see things the same way. We aren't required to agree. We have a constitution and laws that allow us to disagree without bothering each other. You want to split the season, go ahead. If I want to keep hunting, leave me alone. See how it works?
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Does anybody know what report this is quote is sited from in the Alabama Deer Book? Data collected over a 15-year period at Auburn Universitys deer
research facility suggests no relationship between herd structure and
reproductive patterns. Captive deer maintained at a 1:1 adult sex ratio
did not show any shift in mean conception dates. Mean conception dates
for these deer were in early to mid-February (Carroll and Causey 1995). Dr D? Anyone? Chris Cook seemed to leave this out in his "LITERATURE CITED" section...
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If they can use bait, I should be allowed to use one of THESE:
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Booner
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Booner
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What's the difference in that machine gun and my bolt action 30-06 or a bow as long as I hunt during the season and don't kill more than a reasonably set bag limit that protects the species? Are the deer we kill any less dead depending on what we use to kill them?
Is a deer any less dead if it's killed eating on a food plot that was planted to attract him there to be shot than one that is killed eating corn piled up for the same reason?
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Does anybody know what report this is quote is sited from in the Alabama Deer Book? Data collected over a 15-year period at Auburn Universitys deer
research facility suggests no relationship between herd structure and
reproductive patterns. Captive deer maintained at a 1:1 adult sex ratio
did not show any shift in mean conception dates. Mean conception dates
for these deer were in early to mid-February (Carroll and Causey 1995). Dr D? Anyone? Chris Cook seemed to leave this out in his "LITERATURE CITED" section... Deer in pens behave different than in the wild. This from Grant Woods publication on Mt Holly. Under this management program, the adult sex ratio has improved drastically since 1990 (Table 1). Several changes have occurred as a result of the improved sex ratio. One change is the timing and duration of the rut. The average conception date was a month earlier in 1996 compared to 1990. This is most likely a direct result of the improved adult sex ratio and increased density of mature bucks. By improving the adult sex ratio, the chance of a doe being receptive to breeding without a buck (or several bucks at Mt. Holly) being present is greatly reduced. In addition, the amount of rubs and scrapes, and the associated pheromones present at Mt. Holly because of the high density of mature bucks, probably serves to induce rut earlier and synchronize the does receptive period. The combined result of these effects is an earlier and more intense rut.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Booner
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Shouldn't qdm practitioners manage within enclosures then if they want the research to accurately apply to their management unit?
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Does anybody know what report this is quote is sited from in the Alabama Deer Book? Data collected over a 15-year period at Auburn Universitys deer
research facility suggests no relationship between herd structure and
reproductive patterns. Captive deer maintained at a 1:1 adult sex ratio
did not show any shift in mean conception dates. Mean conception dates
for these deer were in early to mid-February (Carroll and Causey 1995). Dr D? Anyone? Chris Cook seemed to leave this out in his "LITERATURE CITED" section... Carroll, D. J., and M. K. Causey. 1995. Effects of early weaning on survival and growth of captive white-tailed deer. Abstracts of the Annual Meeting of the Southeast Deer Study Group. Volume 18, Pages 31-32. I have not read the abstract, so can not comment on the data. Also, this research was conducted before I arrived at Auburn. But, as Gobbler indicated, data collected in pens that do not simulate free-ranging behavior may be far different than what one might see on free-ranging settings or in enclosures where natural behaviors can be simulated.
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Booner
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  Where's the Bucksville Fatboy when I need him now?? How about it qdm crowd. Do we need a regulation that requires mandatory enclosures around our leases so we are sure to get the science right? It's what's best for the herd you know. Limits, antler restriction, tags, and now fences. Whew!! Now go read the Rand Paul thread that Wiley posted over in the General Forum and let's see if we can learn how to strike some kind of balance in all this. And then drop by the BFB High Fence Erecting Service booth at the CAB meeting tomorrow. His motto: "Need an erection? We got 'em."
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Thanks Dr. D... It's not really the date of the mean conception, it's more on the lack of a shift in the mean cnception dates that was interesting to me...
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.... dickhead? I live an hour north of Birmingham and had a buck chasing a doe through the field in front of my house last Tuesday. Nice ad hominem for a moderator. Set's a good example for everyone to follow. To answer your intentionally dishonest question: EVERYONE knows that this debate is about the PRIMARY rut, not any subsequent recycle trickle rut of unbred does that might take place a month or two after the primary rut.
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Supreme Fact Checker
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It looks to me that a majority of the people on here claim you can't kill a buck unless the rut is going on. I have also read where everyone just wants to "experience" the rut. Well i suggest the state just open the south counties hunting season on Feb 1 and close it on Feb 14. Nobody in the southern counties should be allowed to hunt and of the remaining 351 days of the year. I mean that seems to be the time period when the deer could be killed, right?
I had much rather be tried by twelve than carried to my grave by six!!!!
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Used to be TiderBD
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It looks to me that a majority of the people on here claim you can't kill a buck unless the rut is going on. I have also read where everyone just wants to "experience" the rut. Well i suggest the state just open the south counties hunting season on Feb 1 and close it on Feb 14. Nobody in the southern counties should be allowed to hunt and of the remaining 351 days of the year. I mean that seems to be the time period when the deer could be killed, right? I bet you wear a red rubber nose with big floppy feet and go by the name Bozo the Clown. If not, my bad. You just sound like him.
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Freak of Nature
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MT why would you post something that foolish ? Is that really
what you think ?
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Supreme Fact Checker
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MT why would you post something that foolish ? Is that really
what you think ? Not exactly. That was intended for the ones who claim you can only kill a buck during the rut (there have been statements made) and the same ones also claim that the only way to hunt the rut would be to extend the season in to Feb.
I had much rather be tried by twelve than carried to my grave by six!!!!
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MT why would you post something that foolish ? Is that really
what you think ? Not exactly. That was intended for the ones who claim you can only kill a buck during the rut (there have been statements made)... I have never read a single post on Aldeer the last 5 years where someone made such a claim. I INVITE YOU TO COPY AND PASTE IN THIS THREAD ANY AND ALL SUCH POSTS THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. *********** The only thing I have ever read anyone say is that which is obvious: the best time to kill a dominant mature 4.5 year and older trophy class buck is during the rut.
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