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Burn their house down?

Or just murder them?

Goodness, everybody knows that 2 wrongs make a right.....

That 3rd wrong is really bad though, huh?

I dang sure would not shoot them unless my life or someone's (a human)life was in danger! Would you really want to go to jail for murder over a dog and loose everything.If so you must not have much to live for anyway..... Now to answer your question I would hold them there if I could and wether I could or not I would call the cops.

There will come a day when running dogs for deer will be an illegal activity. Count on it. Some folks will be sad. Some folks will be happy. If you are a hunter you should be sad, and alarmed. Why? How? ChAnGeS!!!! It cant happen to YOUR form of sport hunting? Are you sure?
I a dogger from 4 decades ago and I would not have thought that deer dogs would be such a controversy in this day and age. Permits? You could not have convinced me a permit system would be enacted.

Just a few years ago no one thought that not having health insurance would make you a criminal either. LOL!

Some on the big ole world wide web put it like this .......

Old South
A period in american history that is no more and will be forever "gone with the wind". When I think of the old south I think of huge plantation homes, slavery, the confederacy, jim crow, segregation, racism, cotton fields etc. It was okay and completely normal to be racist back then, blacks "knew" their place. There are still some pockets in the south where it feels like you've stepped back in time. Quite embarrassing in this day and age but still some cling to old beliefs. Those are small pockets and are not the norm, but they still exist.

New South
Atlanta is one of the best examples for the new south. People don't cling to old views and are generally accepting. Atlanta has a huge gay population, which is not typical of the conservative south. Miami is another example of the south becoming progressive which can be nothing but a good thing.


The �New� South Vs. The �Old� South

The American South has undergone a lot of change in the past half century since the March On Washington in 1963.
Many Northerners have moved South; many people of African American and Latino heritage have grown up in an environment where segregation and open prejudice is gone: and we have seen Southern Presidents who completely represented a different image of the South.
So we have President Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas, who overcame his past and his heritage, and promoted the Civil Rights Revolution, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
We have Jimmy Carter of Georgia, the first Southerner elected from outside since Zachary Taylor in 1848, representing the �New South� Governors elected in 1970, including Ruben Askew of Florida and Dale Bumpers of Arkansas. Carter promoted advancements in civil rights and human rights, and demonstrated then, and right up to this moment, that he is a very principled, decent man.
And we have Bill Clinton, elected Governor of Arkansas, representing the New South tradition after Dale Bumpers had initiated it in Arkansas, and being a major promoter of civil rights and equality during his Presidency, as much as Johnson and Carter.
And we have John Lewis, the only surviving speaker at the March on Washington, now 73 years old, and carrying on the tradition of his mentor, Martin Luther King, Jr. He has been an exemplary Congressman from Georgia, and truly the conscience of the nation on civil rights!
These four gentlemen, three Presidents and a Congressman, represent the best of the �New South�!
The �Old South� was thought to be overcome, particularly over time with the death of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and others of their ilk.
But as it turns out, the �Old South� mentality has survived even past these two GOP leaders who promoted segregation and hate, as the 2013 Republican Party, with the evil influence of the Tea Party Movement, is working very hard to back track on racial equality, racial progress, racial justice, and using code language to appeal to the bigots and racists who remain in America, whether in the South or Midwest or Great Plains areas of the nation, and hoping to repeal the progress of the past half century.
They do this without shame or embarrassment, and that is what is most troubling, and they even have their talk show hosts on radio and television and cable, who spew forth hateful and divisive propaganda with no apologies�Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O�Reilly, Sean Hannity et al�and make millions on promotion of hate and division, rather than trying to bring us together and move forward!
So the �Old South� is, ironically, surviving in the party of Abraham Lincoln, Thaddeus Stevens, Charles Sumner and the other principled Republicans of 150 years ago, who fought against the �Old South� and slavery, and would, if they were here today, hold their heads in their hands, and weep over what the Republican Party they loved, has become!

Closer to the Hunter's Home ..... In MY Lifetime ......
When I was 10 years old I could go to KMart and buy a pak of BBs or a box of shotgun shells, by myself. The place to buy a long gun was the hardware store, NOT WalMart. And I did. I bought a Remington 870 Wingmaster for $179.00. Without a back ground check.
Now days, you have to be 18 or older to buy a pak of BBs or a box of ammo. WalMart has cornered the market and out ma and pop stores out of business and a brand new Wingmaster will cost you close to $800.
Us boys carried pocket knives to school and did not get in trouble. We also had shotguns and rifles in our trucks on school campus, without getting in trouble.
No cell phones. No texting. We talked.
We rode bikes or we walked.
Deer and turkey leases were $0.25 an acre.
Gas was $0.35 a gallon.
If you killed a button buck you got a hand shake, congrats and a pat on the back from everyone in deer camp.
Food Plot? What is that?
QDM? What does that stand for?
"I let 20 bucks walk this year" WHAT?????? WHAT!!!!!!!!!
Deer Processor? What is that?
Boone and Crockett? Guys that won the west, right? Antler score? What is that?

If you saw porno it was from sneaking a playboy or hustler magazine. And you kept it hidden, except from your best friends. It is just a nanosecond away now with the click of a button.

Crack? Of your BUTT!! HAHA!

Meth? Meth .... the stuff maw rubbed on your chest when you had a cold.

ChAnGeS!!

Some are good. Some are needed. Some are GREAT.
Some are not good. Some are not needed. Some are not so great.
Think about it before you suggest outlawing any form of sport hunting. Your form is surely on the chopping block.

Old South vs New South

North American Whitetail article on Deer Doggin

Yep. Couldn't live with myself for killing anyone over a dog or any other materialistic "thing". I don't think most others could either, they've just never been put in that situation
(I haven't either, but I'm smart enough to know that much).
I'll say this and I'm done. This horse has been beat waaaayyy too long!
I couldn't care less if someone wants to run dogs. I sure don't want the government telling y'all you can't do it. I would just like for the people that do it to have enough sense to know that 1000 acres IS NOT going to hold in hounds chasing deer, other than maybe Basset Hounds which are slow enough to cut off. Rabbit dogs are another thing. They are typically gonna run a big circle, and when you kill the durn rabbit, they go find another one fairly close by. People who run dogs know better than me, but I'd say it would typically take at least 5000 acres (probably more) to hold hounds on your property. If you don't have that then go find it or don't run them, because these type issues are just waiting to happen when you run them on small acreage.

SSS, It's that simple.

It really is.

I can't say that I would kill some one over killing my dogs but I'd damn sure make them wish I had. This will be an ongoing battle till dog hunting is outlawed then it will be banning of some other type or form of hunting. This is just a slippery slope we are headed down as hunters.

I wish they would open the national forest for dog hunting it would solve a lot of the problem. There's a 100,000 acres of open land down here

If it is outlawed it will be the dog hunters to blame for not being willing to accept change and adjust to it. Instead of spending the money to lease enough land and buy the necessary equipment to contain their dogs they have continued to try and hunt small tracts and act like the victim because people do not understand tradition. The funny thing is just about every stalk hunter over the age of thirty probably dog hunted at some point in their life so I think most do understand , but have chosen a different way to hunt and only want to be left alone on their property to pursue the sport in the way they choose. If dog hunters would or could do the same there would not be a problem.

Now I can understand this, but all the people that say they will kill over a dog is silly or do not have much to loose in life....

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The triple S rule applied to life is just a rule to live by

When deer dogs are outlawed, the hard core will still hunt with dogs and say they are rabbit hunting. This of course, will cause problems for the true rabbit hunters.

Couldnt have said it better myself Coyote Hunter! Some of ours was bought but the nut was inherited and has been passed down since 1819 and earlier.
I have told our neighbor to chain his labs and bird dogs sept-feb because i am trapping and prepping for deer, then hunting deer.

Have his dogs on my game cams smelling a scrape from 2 weeks ago. I havent hunted that spot this year, but plan to Saturday.

I will kill a deer or several dogs.

No, it's not. It's a form of trespassing. Trespassing has been illegal for decades if not centuries.. Granted, dogs can't read BUT their owners damn well know the terrain, property lines and ALL associated possible/probable circumstances/encounters when/where they release their dogs. It's not like the dogs are transported to a foreign country, visited for the first time and released. Dog hunting clubs have finite borders and should damn well contain their dogs within. Property owners have the CONSTITUTIONAL/LAWFUL RIGHT to expect to enjoy THEIR property without trespassing/interference from ANY outside source whether it be man or beast. How 'bout I show up down wind and across the road from your residence when you're having a cookout/family reunion on the 4th of July and release 4 Pitt Bulls? They'll be attracted by a smell that they just gotta run to. Everything gonna be kosher?

Wiley like I stated earlier there are sorry dog hunters just as the sorry stalk hunters that will cross your fence and hunt out of your shooting house. I haven't deer with dogs but once in almost 20 years. So I have no stake in it to speak of but I do believe everyone has the right to hunt as like as long as it is legal. I'm not saying that they should not do everything in there power to keep up with there dogs and off surrounding properties. A lot of dog hunters I know these days use tracking collars and shock collars to control there dogs. But there are those that would rather cut them off on a road going through a neighboring property and shoot the deer as the club next to one I was in would do. It didn't bother me my wife and I both killed bucks off there dogs that year. My point that i was making on the slippery slope is just this. If we can't stand together hunting as a sport is being torn apart from within. The antis love this type of ammo to use against us by means of poachers, night hunters, people that shoot (cattle in a pen), sorry dog clubs and stalk hunters shooting dogs. The dog hunters should do there part and there are a lot that do but as in everything you will always have some that just don't care. I don't know if this makes sense to y'all but it my thoughts run together at times and yes I see both sides of the argument.

2 wrongs do not make 1 right. Shooting a identifiable dog is illegal. Shooting a hunting dog, regardless of what it's owner does or does not do, makes the dog killer part of the problem. Bragging about it on the internet makes you an Idiot.
Part of SSS is "Shut Up".
I know several fellas that have shot a deer dog, and at the end of the ordeal they wish they had'nt.

The end of deer doggin will not totally be dogger's fault. There is a % of this issue that will be the fault of the change & shift in Southern American culture.
To suggest that dogger's did not police themselves, and were not active enough years ago to adapt and change with this shift in hunting culture would correct, IMHO.

3+ decades ago, in Alabama, things were different in the deer woods.
Anyone hear of BOW ONLY 30+ years ago? How many hunters used crossbows 30+ years ago? Were crossbows even legal for archery season 30+ years ago? The limit on bucks was 1 a day, for every day of the season. What is it now? Three (3). Was antler restrictions in place 30+ years ago?

Hunters could go on WMA land without a map/permit.
Hunters did not have specific dates they could or could not hunt.

Deer season end 1/2 way through February???

Bait.

Dogs.

You dont think changes can come to your method of hunting?

AMERICA is on a fast track at the speed of light of change. The AMERICAN culture is changing. This goes beyond the "melting pot" we learned about in school. This goes WAY beyond "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free; The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, Tempest-tossed to me I lift my lamp beside the golden door".
Think about it Ladies & Gentlemen. This nation is changing at drastic pace. The foundation of this country, Family & Faith, is crumbling and our Constitution is under attack in our Nation's Capital.
Anything and Everything American and particularly SOUTHERN AMERICAN is worth fighting for, and saving.


Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

There was a Jackass running dogs on the Cahaba WMA today.