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Plant long leafs at about 700 per acre if you have the appropriate site index. You’ll have great deer hunting the first 10 years or so. After that you’ll have a beautifully raked, weed (and wildlife food and cover) free monoculture that will generate $3-400 per year in pine straw production. You can burn all you want until baling begins and don’t have to worry about thinning until they’re 23-25 years old. Pine beetles are less of a problem and you can generate 3-5k per acre in income between years 12-25. It’s a no brainer compared to loblolly if income is your priority, not so much for wildlife during the productive baling years. I’m in the 12-25 gap right now and about to start thinning with my chain saw. My holding capacity is crap now. Wish I had planted about 450 trees per acre.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Plant long leafs at about 700 per acre if you have the appropriate site index. You’ll have great deer hunting the first 10 years or so. After that you’ll have a beautifully raked, weed (and wildlife food and cover) free monoculture that will generate $3-400 per year in pine straw production. You can burn all you want until baling begins and don’t have to worry about thinning until they’re 23-25 years old. Pine beetles are less of a problem and you can generate 3-5k per acre in income between years 12-25. It’s a no brainer compared to loblolly if income is your priority, not so much for wildlife during the productive baling years. I’m in the 12-25 gap right now and about to start thinning with my chain saw. My holding capacity is crap now. Wish I had planted about 450 trees per acre. That spacing is certainly not recommended for wildlife habitat. Different objectives.
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I've got 30 acres of 20 year old trees that need thinning, but no one is interested. I'm going to start this summer thinning myself and leaving them lay. I'm way more interested in deer and turkeys than timber.
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I’ve seen a lot of crap thinning jobs and I’ve been lucky enough to have some good ones on us (because we’re involved). Dad and I were talking about trying every other row thinning on a small tract and see as an experiment. The best thinning job you can get is every 1/5 row and thin two rows to each side, but loggers really want to do a 1/3 row thinning. Unfortunately if they don’t thin correctly, you’re left with forked trees and small trees instead of your best dominants and concomitants.
Our shade tree theory to the every other row trial WAS, you eliminate the challenge to the cutter of having to pick and choose, also your trees have two good sides to grow toward. Especially on a small tract, it might just be enticing enough to get a logger in to cut it that way. I know ideally each tree needs three sides or an island is optimal.
If a cutter takes out 1/3 rows that’s 33%, then high grade thins, you’re left with a mess, and I’ve seen it happen.
None of it is an exact science but you need to be involved for sure.
As a side note, my dad remembers when Weyerhaeuser first started planting pines around here. He said they planted some spots 2000 trees per acre, then wasn’t long they had Mexicans in there cutting 4-5’ trees down because they realized they messed up. That was way back when. Imagine 1000’s of trees per acre!
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If I were a younger man I’d buy a sawmill and start cutting and selling. I’m thinking about trying it anyway. I’ve got this 40 acre patch that needs thinning but nobody is going to do it. I’ve burned it and have been able to get some thinning by doing that and it looks good now.
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I got super lucky and there was a small crew cutting near me, so it was easy to relocate the machines. I had 12 ac cleared and 15 thinned very heavy down to 60 basal feet. Probably the last time I’ll be able to get anybody in there for decades. I did not make a ton of money, but I’m putting it all right back into the property anyway and did not have to pay somebody to do it.
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I got super lucky and there was a small crew cutting near me, so it was easy to relocate the machines. I had 12 ac cleared and 15 thinned very heavy down to 60 basal feet. Probably the last time I’ll be able to get anybody in there for decades. I did not make a ton of money, but I’m putting it all right back into the property anyway and did not have to pay somebody to do it. You did good.
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Plant long leafs at about 700 per acre if you have the appropriate site index. You’ll have great deer hunting the first 10 years or so. After that you’ll have a beautifully raked, weed (and wildlife food and cover) free monoculture that will generate $3-400 per year in pine straw production. You can burn all you want until baling begins and don’t have to worry about thinning until they’re 23-25 years old. Pine beetles are less of a problem and you can generate 3-5k per acre in income between years 12-25. It’s a no brainer compared to loblolly if income is your priority, not so much for wildlife during the productive baling years. I’m in the 12-25 gap right now and about to start thinning with my chain saw. My holding capacity is crap now. Wish I had planted about 450 trees per acre. That spacing is certainly not recommended for wildlife habitat. Different objectives. I told my timber consultant I wasn’t worried about money only wildlife value. Sob screwed me multiple ways.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Plant long leafs at about 700 per acre if you have the appropriate site index. You’ll have great deer hunting the first 10 years or so. After that you’ll have a beautifully raked, weed (and wildlife food and cover) free monoculture that will generate $3-400 per year in pine straw production. You can burn all you want until baling begins and don’t have to worry about thinning until they’re 23-25 years old. Pine beetles are less of a problem and you can generate 3-5k per acre in income between years 12-25. It’s a no brainer compared to loblolly if income is your priority, not so much for wildlife during the productive baling years. I’m in the 12-25 gap right now and about to start thinning with my chain saw. My holding capacity is crap now. Wish I had planted about 450 trees per acre. That spacing is certainly not recommended for wildlife habitat. Different objectives. I told my timber consultant I wasn’t worried about money only wildlife value. Sob screwed me multiple ways. I planted almost 100 acres in LL last year. Wildlife/hunting was the main objective. I want to burn every two to three years. It was planted at 622 trees an acre. I was told that it would not close canopy and shade out the understory until it was almost time to thin. Y’all think that’s true?
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What you guys have as cost per acre total for all of it, seedlings, someone to oversee process, and chem or burn after lands clearcut?
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Plant long leafs at about 700 per acre if you have the appropriate site index. You’ll have great deer hunting the first 10 years or so. After that you’ll have a beautifully raked, weed (and wildlife food and cover) free monoculture that will generate $3-400 per year in pine straw production. You can burn all you want until baling begins and don’t have to worry about thinning until they’re 23-25 years old. Pine beetles are less of a problem and you can generate 3-5k per acre in income between years 12-25. It’s a no brainer compared to loblolly if income is your priority, not so much for wildlife during the productive baling years. I’m in the 12-25 gap right now and about to start thinning with my chain saw. My holding capacity is crap now. Wish I had planted about 450 trees per acre. Baling not feasible imo unless you in right location to sell it. Seems like read longleaf will take a hotter burn than most other trees and still survive. The only thing is they take so long to grow to make sawtimber.
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You don’t have to do the baling or selling to generate $3-400 per acre per year. There’s companies in Alabama, Florida and Georgia paying that amount and they do all the work. The landowner is basically hands off. I’m not recommending that anyone do this, I’m just relaying the facts. I don’t care for the pine monoculture. I like the diversity of mixed species habitats.
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[quote=outdoors1]What you guys have as cost per acre total for all of it, seedlings, someone to oversee process, and chem or burn after lands clearcut?
I planted 40 acres of LL this past December. Spray , firebreaks , burn and plant seedlings came to 408 dollars per acre
600 trees per acre
Last edited by RSF; 02/27/26 04:55 PM.
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Joined: Mar 2013
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Plant long leafs at about 700 per acre if you have the appropriate site index. You’ll have great deer hunting the first 10 years or so. After that you’ll have a beautifully raked, weed (and wildlife food and cover) free monoculture that will generate $3-400 per year in pine straw production. You can burn all you want until baling begins and don’t have to worry about thinning until they’re 23-25 years old. Pine beetles are less of a problem and you can generate 3-5k per acre in income between years 12-25. It’s a no brainer compared to loblolly if income is your priority, not so much for wildlife during the productive baling years. I’m in the 12-25 gap right now and about to start thinning with my chain saw. My holding capacity is crap now. Wish I had planted about 450 trees per acre. Baling not feasible imo unless you in right location to sell it. Seems like read longleaf will take a hotter burn than most other trees and still survive. The only thing is they take so long to grow to make sawtimber. I have multiple people bailing in my area but it’s a wildlife desert where they bail and that has never been my objective and never will be.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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