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I knew joe biden and crew left a ton of equipment in Afghanistan, but these numbers are astounding! paul Sperry link

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Knew it was a lot but can you trust Sperry to have the correct numbers?

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Biden was an idiot (obvious statement) and the Afghan withdrawal was an amazingly poorly coordinated event, but I doubt those numbers would be remotely correct. It they are correct - the withdrawal should be classified as an act of treason and cowardice for leaving enemy combatants the means to significantly engage us and our allies.


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While we don't know, and may never know, the right numbers, we can all agree it was a lot and if it was just one piece of equipment that can later be used to harm an American soldier someone needs to be accountable for it with their hide.


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My son was there. We left a lot of stuff. There was rooms in the airport full of night vision and weapons, they took some of the stuff out but we're told to leave most of it. They asked to destroy the vehicles, but were ordered to leave them.

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Guys I know involved said the biggest things we left was NVGs. Ours “was” light years ahead of everyone else’s. We ruled the night. Not any longer I was told. All the small arms was bad enough and no telling how many billions and billions. We also left list of those that helped us and they were kind quick when those list were found.

I think it was done so in hopes of blaming Trump or at least they tried to


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And as far as i know, we are still paying them millions of dollars every month. And thats our money, mine and yours. We are funding terrorism. Unless something has been done about it since Trump took office, and i havent heard it if it happened. And i would assume "hey, were not paying the terrorists any more" would be a pretty good feather for Trump to stick in his hat. He hasnt mentioned it 47000 times so that pretty much tells me were still paying the terrorists.

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Page 25 of the SIGAR report breaks it all down. SIGAR

You can also go on Google maps and zoom in on the motor pools at the major bases and see a metric ton of vehicles in them.

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Originally Posted by jwalker77
And as far as i know, we are still paying them millions of dollars every month. And thats our money, mine and yours. We are funding terrorism. Unless something has been done about it since Trump took office, and i havent heard it if it happened. And i would assume "hey, were not paying the terrorists any more" would be a pretty good feather for Trump to stick in his hat. He hasnt mentioned it 47000 times so that pretty much tells me were still paying the terrorists.


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Page 25 of the SIGAR report breaks it all down. SIGAR

You can also go on Google maps and zoom in on the motor pools at the major bases and see a metric ton of vehicles in them.
A metric ton is 2204.623 pounds.
A HUMVEE with basic versions weighs more around 5,200 lbs (2,359 kg) curb weight, while armored variants can exceed 10,000 lbs.

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Maybe it was left on purpose for another reason. We just don’t know. Is the taliban really that bad or a product of our government telling us they are? U can’t go into a 3rd world country and try to turn it into New York City it just will never work. Those people culturally are different and been that way thousands of years. Know several that were there that said they were pretty crafty and not just animals.We know all that going into Afghanistan was shady just like Iraq and just might have gotten people hurt and killed for politicians and their agendas. Kinda like the Israel hamas debacle who’s really the enemy and why? Show me the real proof why but we never get that. Maybe china was lining up in Afghanistan or maybe we just blew it. We never should have been in either places which we have finally caught on to how we have been lied to so maybe going forward the false flags don’t work so well. Biden was a complete idiot as a result of a stolen election or whatever it was but the numbers were fraudulent and was allowed to stand so who knows what the hell is real or not when it comes to our government.

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Originally Posted by kkfish
Maybe it was left on purpose for another reason. We just don’t know. Is the taliban really that bad or a product of our government telling us they are? U can’t go into a 3rd world country and try to turn it into New York City it just will never work. Those people culturally are different and been that way thousands of years. Know several that were there that said they were pretty crafty and not just animals.We know all that going into Afghanistan was shady just like Iraq and just might have gotten people hurt and killed for politicians and their agendas. Kinda like the Israel hamas debacle who’s really the enemy and why? Show me the real proof why but we never get that. Maybe china was lining up in Afghanistan or maybe we just blew it. We never should have been in either places which we have finally caught on to how we have been lied to so maybe going forward the false flags don’t work so well. Biden was a complete idiot as a result of a stolen election or whatever it was but the numbers were fraudulent and was allowed to stand so who knows what the hell is real or not when it comes to our government.
Definitely don’t know all the answers. We were in Afghanistan to avenge September 11, 2001 terrorist attack. The Taliban was allowing Al-Queda to train terrorist there. The problem was instead of going into Afghanistan and killing every individual that needed killing that had anything to do with Al-Queda and training terrorist, Our elected officials chose to have a military presence in Afghanistan for a solid 20 years. There was absolutely no excuse for the USA to be there anywhere near that long. War= Money for the Military industrial complex is what the real reason was for Our 20 year military presence in Afghanistan. We are almost 40 trillion in debt and climbing steadily because of sheer financial irresponsibility by people spending tax money like it is no tomorrow.


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No, they've come here and turned New York into a third world country --- if you look at their voting.

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Originally Posted by Narrow Gap
Originally Posted by kkfish
Maybe it was left on purpose for another reason. We just don’t know. Is the taliban really that bad or a product of our government telling us they are? U can’t go into a 3rd world country and try to turn it into New York City it just will never work. Those people culturally are different and been that way thousands of years. Know several that were there that said they were pretty crafty and not just animals.We know all that going into Afghanistan was shady just like Iraq and just might have gotten people hurt and killed for politicians and their agendas. Kinda like the Israel hamas debacle who’s really the enemy and why? Show me the real proof why but we never get that. Maybe china was lining up in Afghanistan or maybe we just blew it. We never should have been in either places which we have finally caught on to how we have been lied to so maybe going forward the false flags don’t work so well. Biden was a complete idiot as a result of a stolen election or whatever it was but the numbers were fraudulent and was allowed to stand so who knows what the hell is real or not when it comes to our government.
Definitely don’t know all the answers. We were in Afghanistan to avenge September 11, 2001 terrorist attack. The Taliban was allowing Al-Queda to train terrorist there. The problem was instead of going into Afghanistan and killing every individual that needed killing that had anything to do with Al-Queda and training terrorist, Our elected officials chose to have a military presence in Afghanistan for a solid 20 years. There was absolutely no excuse for the USA to be there anywhere near that long. War= Money for the Military industrial complex is what the real reason was for Our 20 year military presence in Afghanistan. We are almost 40 trillion in debt and climbing steadily because of sheer financial irresponsibility by people spending tax money like it is no tomorrow.


Obama changing the rules of engagement made sure it was a quagmire and drawn out


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Maybe it was left on purpose for another reason. We just don’t know. Is the taliban really that bad or a product of our government telling us they are? U can’t go into a 3rd world country and try to turn it into New York City it just will never work. Those people culturally are different and been that way thousands of years. Know several that were there that said they were pretty crafty and not just animals.We know all that going into Afghanistan was shady just like Iraq and just might have gotten people hurt and killed for politicians and their agendas. Kinda like the Israel hamas debacle who’s really the enemy and why? Show me the real proof why but we never get that. Maybe china was lining up in Afghanistan or maybe we just blew it. We never should have been in either places which we have finally caught on to how we have been lied to so maybe going forward the false flags don’t work so well. Biden was a complete idiot as a result of a stolen election or whatever it was but the numbers were fraudulent and was allowed to stand so who knows what the hell is real or not when it comes to our government.
Definitely don’t know all the answers. We were in Afghanistan to avenge September 11, 2001 terrorist attack. The Taliban was allowing Al-Queda to train terrorist there. The problem was instead of going into Afghanistan and killing every individual that needed killing that had anything to do with Al-Queda and training terrorist, Our elected officials chose to have a military presence in Afghanistan for a solid 20 years. There was absolutely no excuse for the USA to be there anywhere near that long. War= Money for the Military industrial complex is what the real reason was for Our 20 year military presence in Afghanistan. We are almost 40 trillion in debt and climbing steadily because of sheer financial irresponsibility by people spending tax money like it is no tomorrow.


Obama changing the rules of engagement made sure it was a quagmire and drawn out
While Obama's R.O.E. certainly endangered our troops, we had already been in Afghanistan for 6+ years before he was president.

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Yep. You know I did know that 😂

Just like Iraq we went in balls to the walls and guns a blazing. Should’ve maintained that instead backing away and tip toeing. Obama made damn sure we didn’t engage the enemy fully.
Go in and annihilate the enemy and in full support of the cause is how war should be made. Train up the locals as we are leaving.

There’s an idea that we created the animosity against us in Afghanistan. We assured them we’d help and we did fight Russia by proxy. We then left them high and dry. The movie Charlie Wilson’s war kinda made that point.


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Charlie Wilson's War tells the true story of eccentric Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson (played by Tom Hanks in the film) who, along with CIA officer Gust Avrakotos (Philip Seymour Hoffman), secretly orchestrated Operation Cyclone—the massive CIA covert effort to arm and fund Afghan Mujahideen fighters against the Soviet occupation in the 1980s, ultimately helping to drive the Soviets out. The film, based on George Crile III's book, accurately portrays the unlikely alliance between the womanizing congressman and the CIA to fund the resistance, though it simplifies some complex historical realities, like the nature of the Mujahideen groups supported.


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Originally Posted by cartervj
Yep. You know I did know that 😂

Just like Iraq we went in balls to the walls and guns a blazing. Should’ve maintained that instead backing away and tip toeing. Obama made damn sure we didn’t engage the enemy fully.
Go in and annihilate the enemy and in full support of the cause is how war should be made. Train up the locals as we are leaving.

There’s an idea that we created the animosity against us in Afghanistan. We assured them we’d help and we did fight Russia by proxy. We then left them high and dry. The movie Charlie Wilson’s war kinda made that point.


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Charlie Wilson's War tells the true story of eccentric Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson (played by Tom Hanks in the film) who, along with CIA officer Gust Avrakotos (Philip Seymour Hoffman), secretly orchestrated Operation Cyclone—the massive CIA covert effort to arm and fund Afghan Mujahideen fighters against the Soviet occupation in the 1980s, ultimately helping to drive the Soviets out. The film, based on George Crile III's book, accurately portrays the unlikely alliance between the womanizing congressman and the CIA to fund the resistance, though it simplifies some complex historical realities, like the nature of the Mujahideen groups supported.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to come off as 'educating' you, my point was, the roe was already messed up before Obama was around

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My bad then

Sarcasm is hard to decipher online

I do think the way we engage now will change with the Ukraine war


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Hard to know the truth about anything in today's world. No telling how much was actually left behind.


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I think it was just Biden incompetence.


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