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Lonster is right. Very few, very few, again for emphasis, females are snatched up by strangers. Just as most murders are committed by someone that knew the victim, it is the same for Kidnapping. Lonster also gave the timeline that it usually happens. I'll just throw the fact that so many prostitutes, especially the under aged ones, are runaways.

Sex Trafficking is a woke term for prostitution these days. Being a John or a Pimp makes you a Sex Trafficker. Many don't realize that, unless they recently changed it, while I was in LE, being a prostitute was not illegal in Alabama unless you were in a city that outlawed it. It was however illegal to be a pimp or john.


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Here is the update. Looks like this one is particularly bad. US Marshalls are involved. https://www.wsfa.com/2023/12/11/mon...ontgomery-sex-trafficking-investigation/


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Originally Posted by Skinny
Here is the update. Looks like this one is particularly bad. US Marshalls are involved. https://www.wsfa.com/2023/12/11/mon...ontgomery-sex-trafficking-investigation/


This is what I don't understand from the report: "The operation’s first arrest happened Thursday when Leon Johnson was taken into custody on multiple charges, including attempted human trafficking, electronic solicitation of a child, and traveling to meet a child for sex.

What is the difference between the following charges:
1. Attempted Human Trafficking
2. Electronic Solicitation of a Child
3. Traveling to Meet a Child for Sex

I am guessing he found the child, who was an officer, on the internet #2. Then he traveled to a location to meet a child, where he was arrested #3. But when I read attempted human trafficking I am thinking that would be a pimp or some who was "trafficking" the child. But this guy seems like the John... so I don't really understand the 1st charge.

Either way I hope he dies a slow death by gang rape in prison.

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My guess, correct me if I am wrong, but US Marshals typically only get involved when its a multi-state crime.


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Originally Posted by Skinny
My guess, correct me if I am wrong, but US Marshals typically only get involved when its a multi-state crime.


Could be, does seem correct about US Marshals. But also odd all of these folks are from Montgomery, if the fake child was in Georgia or another state.

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So Elizabeth Smart was faking it

And what is these movies yall speak of


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Originally Posted by cartervj
So Elizabeth Smart was faking it

And what is these movies yall speak of


No, that's a true story. But if a 12 year old is kidnapped in Hoover it would be all over the news local, state, and national. Just like Elizabeth Smart. You have parents terrified their daughters are going to get kidnapped and they are even tracking them with apps they are so scared. The media and social media is at play.

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Originally Posted by jawbone
Lonster is right. Very few, very few, again for emphasis, females are snatched up by strangers. Just as most murders are committed by someone that knew the victim, it is the same for Kidnapping. Lonster also gave the timeline that it usually happens. I'll just throw the fact that so many prostitutes, especially the under aged ones, are runaways.

Sex Trafficking is a woke term for prostitution these days. Being a John or a Pimp makes you a Sex Trafficker. Many don't realize that, unless they recently changed it, while I was in LE, being a prostitute was not illegal in Alabama unless you were in a city that outlawed it. It was however illegal to be a pimp or john.



It’s never zero but it is rare

It doesn’t help their story is immediately met with its skepticism and for good reason. Prositutes and drug addicts paying their way love using its not my fault because I was sold a child excuse. I get it but it also why those that it actually has happened to remain quiet. It’s the ones proclaiming grandiose victimhood that probably are not


How would you prove it anyways. It’s he said she said and one has everything to loose.

There are cases that are truly terrible and are real. And yes as usual two things can be true at the same time, it is often used as a BS reason for ones current situation. As a cop you heard it all

I do know of a situation where a local druggie like to get gals hooked and start making them turn tricks for him so they could get some more dope. He never was arrested but was on the radar and almost impossible to prove. I didn’t know one gal but my neighbor at the time did and was good friends with her brother.


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Originally Posted by bama_earl
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So Elizabeth Smart was faking it

And what is these movies yall speak of


No, that's a true story. But if a 12 year old is kidnapped in Hoover it would be all over the news local, state, and national. Just like Elizabeth Smart. You have parents terrified their daughters are going to get kidnapped and they are even tracking them with apps they are so scared. The media and social media is at play.



So it is possible

I thought it wasn’t. lol

It is aldeer where all things are always black and white and only can be absolutes

No gray area 😂


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Originally Posted by Skinny
Here is the update. Looks like this one is particularly bad. US Marshalls are involved. https://www.wsfa.com/2023/12/11/mon...ontgomery-sex-trafficking-investigation/

Not necessarily on the Marshals. They will help State and Local guys if asked and it is serious enough even if it doesn't cross State lines. Being a fugitive for a while is one of the criteria used. They are very good at their job too. That is last group I want looking for me if I didn't want to be found.


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Was Elizabeth Smart forced to be a prostitute? If so I missed that part of the story. She was raped by the guy who abducted her. No one is denying that woman get kidnapped or raped.

However, this claim that scores of good god fearing totally innocent women are being abducted in mall parking lots and whisked away to a life of forced prostitution is just one of the latest in a long line of BS urban legends. Remember all the "Gang Initiation Week" crap that used to go around all the time. If you meet a car that brightens their lights at you don't brighten yours back. Why? Because it's part of a gang initiation ritual were they will turn around; chase you down and riddle your car with bullets if you flash your lights back at them. Yeah, that was horse pucky too. Remember the people who would approach you trying to get you to sniff a perfume sample that was actually something that would knock you out. Yep, more BS. Remember when aids infected junkies were supposedly going around putting HIV contaminated needles in the coin return slots of drink machines. I could go on and on.

As others have already stated the term Sex Trafficking has become the new WOKE word for prostitution. But it's still just the same old pimps and ho's situation that it always has been. Some of the girls involved may not be old enough to legally consent to such activity but they are doing it willingly.


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Here is the update. Looks like this one is particularly bad. US Marshalls are involved. https://www.wsfa.com/2023/12/11/mon...ontgomery-sex-trafficking-investigation/

Not necessarily on the Marshals. They will help State and Local guys if asked and it is serious enough even if it doesn't cross State lines. Being a fugitive for a while is one of the criteria used. They are very good at there job too. That is last group I want looking for me if I didn't want to be found.

Ditto, they are the real deal, and will turn family against you.

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They don't talk about the women they find blitz on drugs and raped in a hotel room a whole lot for very obvious reasons. That is mostly kept quiet the victims don't rush out and jump on TV and tell everyone who will listen they just got the train run on them by a bunch of nasty dudes with a $20 bill.

I mean... think about that. This ain't Mayberry round here fellas. Bad chit goes on daily. 136 homicides in Birmingham this year. How many details does anybody know about those?

Very pointless argument going on here.


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Originally Posted by Lonster
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There have been several times my wife has been shopping and had people follow her and my daughter around the store to the point she was about to swissify them. It never happens when I’m close enough to come take the fuckers for a walk.


When have you heard of someone being kidnapped in a store? Snatched in a parking lot?

All of the sex trafficking that I’ve dealt with has involved run aways.


I had a young female, mid teens, come running up to me in Walmart in Enterprise, AL and ask for help as someone just tried to take her. There was a deputy down the aisle from me. I asked him to come here and passed off the young lady and got a worker to get management. Turned out, she was being followed, by a woman and when time presented itself a male came up and tried to escort her out the building.

How long ago was it that a young female was kidnapped and found deceased because she put up to much of a fight. Think she was car napped? Somewhere between Montgomery and Auburn this was somewhere about 2 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Lonster
Originally Posted by Turkey_neck
There have been several times my wife has been shopping and had people follow her and my daughter around the store to the point she was about to swissify them. It never happens when I’m close enough to come take the fuckers for a walk.


When have you heard of someone being kidnapped in a store? Snatched in a parking lot?

All of the sex trafficking that I’ve dealt with has involved run aways.



And that is without a doubt what sex trafficking is. Runaways, 100% because that’s your position because of your job.

In the legal realm personal projection would be known as your truth, correct?

I brought Elisabeth Smart up for this particular reason. It does happen so I guess one can argue just how often. There are case of abduction all across the country. It does happen


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Sound of Freedom mean anything
https://www.angel.com/blog/angel-st...y-discovering-the-truth-behind-the-movie

I’m pretty sure Vice and HBO have done documentaries on similar stories


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