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Last edited by 1bamashooter; 02/01/21 05:27 PM.
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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I'm sorry but something just does not pass the smell test on this one. You pull a gun and shoot my two buddies dead in front of me, and then wound me and your gun jams and I have the opportunity to kill you with mine, you'd better have your life insurance paid up cause you are about to be shot repeatedly until there is absolutely no doubt that you will not be pulling that trigger again.
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I'm sorry but something just does not pass the smell test on this one. You pull a gun and shoot my two buddies dead in front of me, and then wound me and your gun jams and I have the opportunity to kill you with mine, you'd better have your life insurance paid up cause you are about to be shot repeatedly until there is absolutely no doubt that you will not be pulling that trigger again. Yep, I’m fixing to send you to see Jesus.
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The podcast that was linked here said there was no altercation whatsoever before the shots were fired. Suggested that the shooter may have been suffering from dementia ....... or at least that’s the way I interpreted it.
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Crabtree knew this old man as did many other in that community. He owned a lumber yard in Martin. It easy to explain what you would do. What if your demented uncle had done it? Would you shoot him in the head?
Be careful.
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Crabtree knew this old man as did many other in that community. He owned a lumber yard in Martin. It easy to explain what you would do. What if your demented uncle had done it? Would you shoot him in the head?
Be careful. If he shot the two to your left and his gun jammed on you, are you saying you wouldn’t?
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Has anyone heard that the older man’s family or business associates are screaming for justice for an innocent older gentleman / disputing the story of the 3rd survivor? If not, silence on their part may be telling. If he was a troubled guy with a failing brain due to dementia, that adds to the sadness of the whole situation.
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I hope I wouldn’t if I didn’t have to but in that situation seeing two friends murdered I probably would.
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Crabtree knew this old man as did many other in that community. He owned a lumber yard in Martin. It easy to explain what you would do. What if your demented uncle had done it? Would you shoot him in the head?
Be careful. Has anyone heard that the older man’s family or business associates are screaming for justice for an innocent older gentleman / disputing the story of the 3rd survivor? If not, silence on their part may be telling. If he was a troubled guy with a failing brain due to dementia, that adds to the sadness of the whole situation. Makes you wonder.
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I’m still trying to figure out if Crabtree was shot ? First reports were he was shot also but not fatally.
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Crabtree knew this old man as did many other in that community. He owned a lumber yard in Martin. It easy to explain what you would do. What if your demented uncle had done it? Would you shoot him in the head?
Be careful. If he shot the two to your left and his gun jammed on you, are you saying you wouldn’t? I don't know. I do know that Crabtrer made a decision based on a experiences and relationships you don't have.
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It's easy to completely remove yourself from a scenario and preach to everyone on the internet what you would do.
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Yea and my answer is still the same, I’m gonna send you to see Jesus. Demented uncle or not
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Was the old man Crabtree's uncle? I'll tell yall a true story. Bout 20 or maybe even 30yrs ago there were two men in their mid 20s, childhood friends that went duck hunting on I believe it was Seminole, or may have been Miccosukee, over near Tallahassee. Real foggy and they supposedly got seperated. Once the fog burned off Hunter #1 made his way back to the launch. Hunter #2 never showed and was reported missing. Massive massive search. HIs boat was found but no Hunter #2. Search continues, couple weeks later search is still on-going and hunter #2's boonie hat was found in an area almost a mile from where the boat was found. Search eventually called off. No body, no nothing for over a year. Widow of Hunter #2 files for death certificate and claims insurance money on Hunter 2's death. GW and investigating officer cannot believe no body ever found. Relatively shallow water 6-10ft across whole area where they were. Investigator has a hunch and waits a couple years and starts surveilence on Widow and Hunter #1. Low and behold, they are now a couple. Long story short. Once investigation was complete and the truth came out: Hunter #1 was banging Hunter #2's wife 4-5 times a week. Started 2-3 years earlier with a long running threesome between Hunter 1, his wife and Hunter 2's wife that started on a trip to PCB. Hunter 1 decided he liked Hunter 2s wife way better than his own, so Hunter 2 had to go. They met up at the lake, loaded both boats and went out. Hunter 2 got in the boat with Hunter 1 to set decoys. Hunter 1 positioned the boat in 8-10 ft of water and once Hunter 2 had his waders on, he pushed him in, thinking he'd drown. He managed to fight his way free from the waders and surfaced trying to get back into the boat, leaving Hunter 1 with no choice but to shoot his friend in the face. Drug the body with a rope back to the secluded launch, loaded him up in bed of truck and hid the body about 20 miles away in a field. Scorned wife of Hunter 1 was the key. She turned on both Hunter 1 and the widow once she was pushed out of the group thing and told it all. Same age, at the time this occured, as these guys that are involved here. Moral of story is that things didnt always happen as reported by lone witnesses. Maybe it was just a demented old man but like I said, something just doesnt smell right bout the whole story and the way it all supposedly went down. Especially now that there are others in the town saying the lone survivor of the incident is lying. Might not ever know the truth.
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And I'm still with Hevi on this. You intentionally try to shoot and kill me and dont manage to do so........You're going to have to die, regardless of the situation, who you are, or your mental state, and that is non-negotiable. Just a fact.
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Was the old man Crabtree's uncle? I'll tell yall a true story. Bout 20 or maybe even 30yrs ago there were two men in their mid 20s, childhood friends that went duck hunting on I believe it was Seminole, or may have been Miccosukee, over near Tallahassee. Real foggy and they supposedly got seperated. Once the fog burned off Hunter #1 made his way back to the launch. Hunter #2 never showed and was reported missing. Massive massive search. HIs boat was found but no Hunter #2. Search continues, couple weeks later search is still on-going and hunter #2's boonie hat was found in an area almost a mile from where the boat was found. Search eventually called off. No body, no nothing for over a year. Widow of Hunter #2 files for death certificate and claims insurance money on Hunter 2's death. GW and investigating officer cannot believe no body ever found. Relatively shallow water 6-10ft across whole area where they were. Investigator has a hunch and waits a couple years and starts surveilence on Widow and Hunter #1. Low and behold, they are now a couple. Long story short. Once investigation was complete and the truth came out: Hunter #1 was banging Hunter #2's wife 4-5 times a week. Started 2-3 years earlier with a long running threesome between Hunter 1, his wife and Hunter 2's wife that started on a trip to PCB. Hunter 1 decided he liked Hunter 2s wife way better than his own, so Hunter 2 had to go. They met up at the lake, loaded both boats and went out. Hunter 2 got in the boat with Hunter 1 to set decoys. Hunter 1 positioned the boat in 8-10 ft of water and once Hunter 2 had his waders on, he pushed him in, thinking he'd drown. He managed to fight his way free from the waders and surfaced trying to get back into the boat, leaving Hunter 1 with no choice but to shoot his friend in the face. Drug the body with a rope back to the secluded launch, loaded him up in bed of truck and hid the body about 20 miles away in a field. Scorned wife of Hunter 1 was the key. She turned on both Hunter 1 and the widow once she was pushed out of the group thing and told it all. Same age, at the time this occured, as these guys that are involved here. Moral of story is that things didnt always happen as reported by lone witnesses. Maybe it was just a demented old man but like I said, something just doesnt smell right bout the whole story and the way it all supposedly went down. Especially now that there are others in the town saying the lone survivor of the incident is lying. Might not ever know the truth.
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I'm sorry but something just does not pass the smell test on this one. You pull a gun and shoot my two buddies dead in front of me, and then wound me and your gun jams and I have the opportunity to kill you with mine, you'd better have your life insurance paid up cause you are about to be shot repeatedly until there is absolutely no doubt that you will not be pulling that trigger again. Or at least shooting him in both knee caps and holding him for the law to show up.
Last edited by WmHunter; 02/02/21 01:27 PM.
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Was the old man Crabtree's uncle? I'll tell yall a true story. Bout 20 or maybe even 30yrs ago there were two men in their mid 20s, childhood friends that went duck hunting on I believe it was Seminole, or may have been Miccosukee, over near Tallahassee. Real foggy and they supposedly got seperated. Once the fog burned off Hunter #1 made his way back to the launch. Hunter #2 never showed and was reported missing. Massive massive search. HIs boat was found but no Hunter #2. Search continues, couple weeks later search is still on-going and hunter #2's boonie hat was found in an area almost a mile from where the boat was found. Search eventually called off. No body, no nothing for over a year. Widow of Hunter #2 files for death certificate and claims insurance money on Hunter 2's death. GW and investigating officer cannot believe no body ever found. Relatively shallow water 6-10ft across whole area where they were. Investigator has a hunch and waits a couple years and starts surveilence on Widow and Hunter #1. Low and behold, they are now a couple. Long story short. Once investigation was complete and the truth came out: Hunter #1 was banging Hunter #2's wife 4-5 times a week. Started 2-3 years earlier with a long running threesome between Hunter 1, his wife and Hunter 2's wife that started on a trip to PCB. Hunter 1 decided he liked Hunter 2s wife way better than his own, so Hunter 2 had to go. They met up at the lake, loaded both boats and went out. Hunter 2 got in the boat with Hunter 1 to set decoys. Hunter 1 positioned the boat in 8-10 ft of water and once Hunter 2 had his waders on, he pushed him in, thinking he'd drown. He managed to fight his way free from the waders and surfaced trying to get back into the boat, leaving Hunter 1 with no choice but to shoot his friend in the face. Drug the body with a rope back to the secluded launch, loaded him up in bed of truck and hid the body about 20 miles away in a field. Scorned wife of Hunter 1 was the key. She turned on both Hunter 1 and the widow once she was pushed out of the group thing and told it all. Same age, at the time this occured, as these guys that are involved here. Moral of story is that things didnt always happen as reported by lone witnesses. Maybe it was just a demented old man but like I said, something just doesnt smell right bout the whole story and the way it all supposedly went down. Especially now that there are others in the town saying the lone survivor of the incident is lying. Might not ever know the truth. Thanks Clem. That's it.
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Sounds like the suspect had dementia.
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Couldn’t shoot him but could knock his head in with the butt of gun and watched him drown.🤔
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