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A spinoff of the Bergara HMR thread, I am looking for a scope suggestion.
I'm wanting a scope that will be as comfortable shooting a deer in fading light as it will be shooting a distant steel target.
I am aware that wanting a jack of all trades scope means certain elements will have strengths and weaknesses.
I'm not wanting to spend an absolute mint on the scope. I understand quality glass isn't free but I'm not spending more money on a scope than I paid for my K5 Blazer.
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With those qualifications, I would pick between these two -
New - Vortex Viper PST, first focal plane reticle, 6-24 x 50 mm, 30 mm main tube
Used - Any Swarovski with a 30 mm main tube and a TDS reticle. There is a Swarovski Habicht 4-16 x 50 mm on ebay right now for about $1500 that meets all this
I have also heard good things about some of the new Bushnell scopes, but don't have enough time behind one to offer an opinion. The Nightforce SHV is not a bright scope.
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Also look at meopta 6.5-20 x 50 HTR. It outperforms my Swaro Z5 any day for fading light and distance clarity. I'm not trashing the Z5, its on my favorite rifle, but to my eye, the meopta edges it out.
I'm guessing weight isn't an issue given the rifle you are putting it on?
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Also look at meopta 6.5-20 x 50 HTR. It outperforms my Swaro Z5 any day for fading light and distance clarity. I'm not trashing the Z5, its on my favorite rifle, but to my eye, the meopta edges it out.
I'm guessing weight isn't an issue given the rifle you are putting it on? Ya within reason, I'm wanting the middle of the road. It doesn't need to be a 13.5oz fixed power mountain rifle scope but also not wanting a 60oz 34MM tube 8-40X60 super deluxe $5000 tactical wonder scope.
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The Swaro and Leupold scopes just aren't built to constantly dial shooting long range. I own them and they will work in a limited capacity but they just aren't designed as dialing scopes like a Nightforce, Bushnell DMR,HDMR,LRHS,Swfa SS, or some of the more expensive scopes I won't even mention. SWFA SS will be the cheapest followed by a Bushnell. I don't think you will beat the closeout we talked about in price and performance if the weight and mag range works for you.
You can get lots of good info on decent dialing target type scopes at snipershide,you just have to decide which ones can be adapted to your hunting style,depending on weight,reticles,and mag range.
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Look at the new Zeiss conquest V4 6x24 models. I bought one a couple months ago and mounted it on my 308. Haven't run it out to long range yet to test the turrets but it has an illuminated MOA reticle which will work in low light hunting situations and for ranging. Abot $1300.
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I have the 6-24x50 no complaints here, and they have great reviews. Seen one write up (don't remember his name) where a guy said his test model didn't go completely back to 0, not sure if I believe that nitwit anyhow. But If you look hard enough you'll find something negative on all brands on the market....
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Leupold VX5 3-15-44 illuminated reticle.
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I’d only look at tactical scopes with good turrets. If you want to shoot long you’ll have to dial and if you can’t trust the turret you might as well not buy it. RH’s list covers most of what you want to look at. Might give Athlon a look too. Their higher end models seem to have good reviews. And if the Bushnell closeout he is talking about is the one GAP is doing that is probably going to be the perfect scope for you since the wind age is capped and George designed it for hunting.
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I really like my Nightforce SHV 4-14x50 F1. It had everything I was looking for in a scope that would pull double duty on the range and hunting. Its Illuminated reticle, Mil, and solid turret adjustment. Its built like a tank which brings me to its only downside and that's the weight of it. Its a heavy scope. You can get them fro a hair over $1000 if youll call optics planet and talk to them over the phone instead of ordering it directly online. It lists for $1250
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I really like my Nightforce SHV 4-14x50 F1. It had everything I was looking for in a scope that would pull double duty on the range and hunting. Its Illuminated reticle, Mil, and solid turret adjustment. Its built like a tank which brings me to its only downside and that's the weight of it. Its a heavy scope. You can get them fro a hair over $1000 if youll call optics planet and talk to them over the phone instead of ordering it directly online. It lists for $1250 The ER of 2.8-3.1 always concerned me a little on that scope. Have you notice any difference with the ER from any of your other scopes? I suppose it would be fine but I might be concerned on a heavy recoiling caliber shooting prone.
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I’d only look at tactical scopes with good turrets. If you want to shoot long you’ll have to dial and if you can’t trust the turret you might as well not buy it. RH’s list covers most of what you want to look at. Might give Athlon a look too. Their higher end models seem to have good reviews. And if the Bushnell closeout he is talking about is the one GAP is doing that is probably going to be the perfect scope for you since the wind age is capped and George designed it for hunting. Anthlon Japanese made stuff is getting good reviews but I think we are talking $1500-$1600. Yes, I was talking about the LRHS at GAP. I don't think there's one cheaper and better for the OP anywhere right now.
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I got a prostaff 5 thats made for long distance with big turrets that id sell i bought it on a whim just to put on a rifle but wanting to upgrade it dont focus real good under 100 but would kill a deer...
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To me the ultimate would be a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10X42 mill reticle if you wanted the lightest long range capable dialing scope. I would go ATACR FFP if weight wasn't a concern. The only drawback is price. If money was no object I would own a Tangent Theta.
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I’d only look at tactical scopes with good turrets. If you want to shoot long you’ll have to dial and if you can’t trust the turret you might as well not buy it. RH’s list covers most of what you want to look at. Might give Athlon a look too. Their higher end models seem to have good reviews. And if the Bushnell closeout he is talking about is the one GAP is doing that is probably going to be the perfect scope for you since the wind age is capped and George designed it for hunting. Anthlon Japanese made stuff is getting good reviews but I think we are talking $1500-$1600. Yes, I was talking about the LRHS at GAP. I don't think there's one cheaper and better for the OP anywhere right now. I'll be calling GAP Monday to talk with them, they weren't open yesterday. Right now it is between a Bushnell, PST III and a GPO.
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I’d only look at tactical scopes with good turrets. If you want to shoot long you’ll have to dial and if you can’t trust the turret you might as well not buy it. RH’s list covers most of what you want to look at. Might give Athlon a look too. Their higher end models seem to have good reviews. And if the Bushnell closeout he is talking about is the one GAP is doing that is probably going to be the perfect scope for you since the wind age is capped and George designed it for hunting. Anthlon Japanese made stuff is getting good reviews but I think we are talking $1500-$1600. Yes, I was talking about the LRHS at GAP. I don't think there's one cheaper and better for the OP anywhere right now. I'll be calling GAP Monday to talk with them, they weren't open yesterday. Right now it is between a Bushnell, PST III and a GPO. Try to do some research and even ask some questions from guys who actually dial scopes a lot. I suggest Snipershide. To me there's a difference between a scope that can dial and one that is designed to dial. I have both,and they can both be effective in the field but for a serious long range rig where I wanted to practice shooting every week all year long dialing from my zero to max range and all distances between I would want a scope designed as such. With those scopes you necessarily pay a weight penalty,simply because their internals are designed heavier and more robust. Another thing you want to make sure about is the reticle. Some of the FFP target dialing scopes don't have the best reticle for hunting when on low power. That LRHS has a reticle designed for hunting. Also make sure whatever scope you choose has enough adjustment range to reach your desired max with your load.
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I’d only look at tactical scopes with good turrets. If you want to shoot long you’ll have to dial and if you can’t trust the turret you might as well not buy it. RH’s list covers most of what you want to look at. Might give Athlon a look too. Their higher end models seem to have good reviews. And if the Bushnell closeout he is talking about is the one GAP is doing that is probably going to be the perfect scope for you since the wind age is capped and George designed it for hunting. Anthlon Japanese made stuff is getting good reviews but I think we are talking $1500-$1600. Yes, I was talking about the LRHS at GAP. I don't think there's one cheaper and better for the OP anywhere right now. I'll be calling GAP Monday to talk with them, they weren't open yesterday. Right now it is between a Bushnell, PST III and a GPO. Try to do some research and even ask some questions from guys who actually dial scopes a lot. I suggest Snipershide. To me there's a difference between a scope that can dial and one that is designed to dial. I have both,and they can both be effective in the field but for a serious long range rig where I wanted to practice shooting every week all year long dialing from my zero to max range and all distances between I would want a scope designed as such. With those scopes you necessarily pay a weight penalty,simply because their internals are designed heavier and more robust. Another thing you want to make sure about is the reticle. Some of the FFP target dialing scopes don't have the best reticle for hunting when on low power. That LRHS has a reticle designed for hunting. Also make sure whatever scope you choose has enough adjustment range to reach your desired max with your load. How does the SWFA 3-15 fit into the mix? https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-3-15x42-tactical-rifle-scope-11.htmlhttps://swfa.com/swfa-ss-3-15x42-tactical-rifle-scope.html
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Tangent Theta would be like eating prime rib on a raman noodle budget
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Tangent Theta would be like eating prime rib on a raman noodle budget That scope is approaching yearly ROTH IRA amount. Yup, I am no need for a scope like that. Would rather have $5,000 invested than a single piece of glass. Here's a scope that makes the Theta look like a Dodge Dakota...https://www.eurooptic.com/carl-zeiss-optronics-hensoldt-zf-35-26x56-riflescope.aspx
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