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Typically a larger Field of View is what makes the difference on a european FFP scope. Also why I like a #4. It doesn't obstruct the entire sight picture.
I have a Leupold I am about to send back and get them to change to heavy duplex on a woods gun. Hard to beat. I've never seen that they have greater FOV compared to any other scope with the same magnification and eye relief. Typically when a scope has eye relief over 3.5" they have slightly narrower FOV. It's sort of a trade off in that area. What I try to avoid for a scope used in Low light is the super zoom scopes with more than 3X zoom ratio. Your typical 3X zoom ratio 3X9, 4X12, 2X7 scopes have larger exit pupils than your super 5X and 6X zoom ratios, like the 2-12X 3-18X scopes. Just compare exit pupils sometimes in a 6X ratio scope to a 3X ratio scope. The exit pupil is what lets in the light,not the tube diameter or the objective diameter. The exit pupil and the quality of glass and coatings is what determines how bright a scope is. The exit pupil is determined by the Objective lens diameter divided by the magnification setting. Example - 50 mm objective / 10X power selection = 5mm exit pupil. 50 mm objective / 15X power selection = 3.33 mm exit pupil. The amount of the zoom available or the tube diameter has nothing to do with the exit pupil. Larger exit pupils with high quality glass will have the best low light performance. There are a lot of high quality scopes available for under $1,000 which will provide all of the light you need in Alabama, especially with the silly new 30 min before/after legal shooting hours law passed in Alabama this year. I agree with the opinions of many here that the reticles are often too fine to see, even if you have enough light transmitted to see the deer. Its one reason why I have been replacing my standard duplex Leupolds with Zeiss Conquest HD5s. The bold portion of the plex reticle is heavier and I can see it to the end of legal shooting light. And well beyond legal light...
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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I have a few Steiners and under low light theyvare fantastic. I recently could not resist buying 3 2.5 x 10 Osprey illuminated recticle scopes. They reccomend no guns bigger than a .308. I have one on a .300BLK a .5.56 and a .35 Whelen. So far they all are holding up and doing a,great job
. Lufetime no questions asked warranty. I bought them just for playing around and gave not been dissapointed with low light to almost no light conditions.
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Leupold Pro Staff
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Typically a larger Field of View is what makes the difference on a european FFP scope. Also why I like a #4. It doesn't obstruct the entire sight picture.
I have a Leupold I am about to send back and get them to change to heavy duplex on a woods gun. Hard to beat. I've never seen that they have greater FOV compared to any other scope with the same magnification and eye relief. Typically when a scope has eye relief over 3.5" they have slightly narrower FOV. It's sort of a trade off in that area. What I try to avoid for a scope used in Low light is the super zoom scopes with more than 3X zoom ratio. Your typical 3X zoom ratio 3X9, 4X12, 2X7 scopes have larger exit pupils than your super 5X and 6X zoom ratios, like the 2-12X 3-18X scopes. Just compare exit pupils sometimes in a 6X ratio scope to a 3X ratio scope. The exit pupil is what lets in the light,not the tube diameter or the objective diameter. The exit pupil and the quality of glass and coatings is what determines how bright a scope is. 50 mm objective / 15X power selection = 3.33 mm exit pupil. The amount of the zoom available or the tube diameter has nothing to do with the exit pupil. Larger exit pupils with high quality glass will have the best low light performance. There are a lot of high quality scopes available for under $1,000 which will provide all of the light you need in Alabama, especially with the silly new 30 min before/after legal shooting hours law passed in Alabama this year. I agree with the opinions of many here that the reticles are often too fine to see, even if you have enough light transmitted to see the deer. Its one reason why I have been replacing my standard duplex Leupolds with Zeiss Conquest HD5s. The bold portion of the plex reticle is heavier and I can see it to the end of legal shooting light. And well beyond legal light... You can't always go by that formula. It usually works out in 3X erector scopes but not in some super zoom of 6X or greater erectors. Swarovski 2-12x50 Z6 30mm Riflescope . Stock # - SWA59311 •Matte •Plex •30mm Specifications Weight (oz): 18.3 Plex Length (in): 13.38 Eye Relief (in): 3.74 Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 75.6 - 12.6 Exit Pupil (mm): 9.6 - 4.2 A much smaller exit pupil on the Swaro in contrast to the Zeiss below. Zeiss 2.5-10x50 Victory HT 30mm Rifle Scope . Stock # - ZEI5224249960 •Matte •Illuminated #60 (Red Dot) •30mm •Hunting Turrets •Railmount •2nd Focal Plane The ultimate multi-game scope for all hunting applications: For shooting on the move or from at tower or tree stand, this riflescope is ideal in any hunting situation. The innovative optical concept of the Victory HT range offers uniquely high light reserves, which really come into their own when hunting in twilight conditions. This means you can stay those crucial extra minutes – waiting for the right moment for the perfect shot. Specifications Magnification: 2.5 - 10 x Effective Lens Diameter: 37.7 - 50 mm Exit Pupil Diameter: 15 - 5 mm Twilight Factors: 7.1 - 22.4 Field of View @ 100 yd: 44.4 - 12.3 ft Objective Viewing Angle: 8.5 - 2.3 ° Diopter Adjustment Range: +2 | -4 dpt Eye Relief: 3.54 inch Parallax-Free in yards: 109.4 Adjustment per Click @ 100yd: 0.34 inch Centre Tube Diameter: 30 mm Eye Piece Tube Diameter: 42 mm Objective Tube Diameter: 56 mm LotuTec®: Yes Nitrogen Filling: Yes Water Resistance: 400 mbar Functional Temperature: -13 | +122 °F Length: 12.64 inch Weight: 19.4 oz As you can see the 6X erector design of the Swaro has a much smaller exit pupil. It's not always a simple objective divided by magnification formula.
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+1 on the weaver super slams.i have several. Got a new Zeiss hd5 last year and I can't tell any difference in it and the Weaver at last light. Both scopes 2x10x42 so comparing apples to apples
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Booner
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A big ol spotlight will remedy this low light problem ya'll are dealing with. 
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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For $1000 you can find some high end used European scopes that do a fine job. If I was set on spending $1k, that's what I'd be looking for. Nothing wrong with used optics. I have a 3x12x56 diavari, 4x12x50 swaro habicht,, a 2.5x 10 Schmidt and bender, and even a pair of 10x50 Zeiss victory fl binos. All bought used, all bought around the $1k mark. Some a little more some a little less.I know these aren't the very top of the line, but they do a dang good job for their purpose. Either way, shop it and for that kind of money, you can find some excellent optics. In my opinion, once you get over say 3 or 400 dollars, the difference between the $300 and the $2000 scopes is very little. That very little is crucial though when it's dark. I absolutely agree with one thing. If you want to see late, spend the money on the binoculars, not the scope. This is just my opinion.
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Meopta Meostar is the best I've looked through in actual hunting conditions in that price range. The Bushnell Elite 6500 is just as good in low light but it's not as crisp edge to edge. Def a great scope. Mine is 4yrs old and last time I saw them the price had dropped 30-40% from what they used to be. Unless they changed something to justify this drop in cost, Meopta Meostar's are awesome scopes.
If your decoy doesnt have holes in it, your not letting him get close enough... J.H.
"Life lessons are almost never found where you think they should be, sometimes they're in the middle of a small, muddy creek in the woods with steep banks"... DeadorAlive
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