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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: JUGHEAD] #4154255
06/27/24 10:55 AM
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Need to start getting more folks trapping coons off of the deer feeders and more avid turkey hunters to start setting a couple foot holds for the yotes during March and April……If you’re one of these folks that goes hunting every day anyways then it wouldn’t be that big of a deal just to run a couple traps at one of your main road intersections.

I wonder how many folks are trapping yotes during March/April??? Trapping them outside of that time frame probably wont have much impact.


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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #4154282
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Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher
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Sorry, I thought that was what you meant. I guess I didn't understand how you thought your point contradicted mine.


Not being one and done for multiple nestings was the contradiction to your opinion.



Then I guess I should have been more precise in my comment. I meant that the gobbler's only role in reproduction is breeding the hen. He may breed another one 5 minutes later, and he may breed the same one the next day, and he may breed hundreds more in his lifetime, but the only role he ever has in reproduction is breeding the hen. He doesn't sit on the eggs or assist in rearing poults in any way.


That’s not exactly earth shattering, but I think you missed the point. Continue on.


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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: CNC] #4154357
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Originally Posted by CNC
……If you’re one of these folks that goes hunting every day anyways then it wouldn’t be that big of a deal just to run a couple foot hold traps at one of your main road intersections.


You know if you own a cell cam it would be pretty easy to set it up on a trap location so that it could notify you when you catch one……I trapped a property a few years ago and due to the layout of the road system I could just about trap the yotes out from one spot

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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: N2TRKYS] #4155254
06/28/24 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher
Sorry, I thought that was what you meant. I guess I didn't understand how you thought your point contradicted mine.


Not being one and done for multiple nestings was the contradiction to your opinion.



Then I guess I should have been more precise in my comment. I meant that the gobbler's only role in reproduction is breeding the hen. He may breed another one 5 minutes later, and he may breed the same one the next day, and he may breed hundreds more in his lifetime, but the only role he ever has in reproduction is breeding the hen. He doesn't sit on the eggs or assist in rearing poults in any way.


That’s not exactly earth shattering, but I think you missed the point. Continue on.


I definitely missed your point, but I am missing a lot of points lately. smile Hopefully just old age and not something worse.


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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: JUGHEAD] #4155273
06/28/24 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JUGHEAD
Originally Posted by gobbler
And, yea, I think a lot of folks are neglecting it as an explanation. If I find anything, Ill share!
I appreciate your response and willingness to share, sir! Obviously, you knew what I was thinking.

Honestly, I am clueless (but curious) about whether this phenomenon is a viable explanation for turkey numbers anywhere I have hunted. I haven’t been doing it long enough (started in 2010) to have lived through it, assuming it were viable. However, I am mostly curious specifically as it pertains to the mountain turkeys in Jackson County (which I have spent way more time with than anywhere else). My curiosity stems from dear friends who hunted them hard in the same locales in the late 80’s, 90’s, and early 2000’s. According to them, I missed the glory days. I certainly believe them too, of course. They talk of turkey numbers in our familiar stomping grounds being borderline stupid. Go and hear 15-20 most anywhere you wanted to go. Run one turkey off and walk away from one that had shut up and was probably coming (they were learning) and walk right around the mountain a few hundred yards to the next hard gobbling one and sit down and start working him. Repeat until one of them got there quick enough to kill him before you messed it up. Obviously, those days are LONG GONE. I have seen ebbs and flows over my 14 years chasing them there, believe when I started was the probably the highest numbers I have seen, hit a bottom out maybe 3 or 4 years ago, and now the hunting has gotten much better again. My experience is not really related to my question, but just thought I would share regardless.

With all that said, is the 20 year phenomenon a potential explanation for why my friends had so many turkeys to hunt back then? I honestly have no idea how long we have had viable populations, if/when there were ever stocking efforts in Jackson County, etc. Hence, my curiosity in a locale dear to me.

And the follow-on question is……what about other locations around Alabama and the southeast? Is the 20 year phenomenon a potential, viable explanation for perceived “declines” elsewhere? In the end, I wish I knew more about the timelines of stocking efforts around the SE.
Bumping this to the end as I don’t believe gobbler ever saw it and I would like his take. Simply put, was there reintroduction/restocking in Jackson County, timing wise, that could potentially explain the seeming over abundance of turkeys described above? I found in the “Wild Turkey in Alabama” by Steve and Victoria Barnett where they documented there have been 49 males and 126 females released in Jackson County, but I couldn’t find any timelines associated with any of the county’s restocking efforts.

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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: JUGHEAD] #4155285
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2dogs probably knows when they were released in Jackson.....he may not be following along with this thread though


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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: JUGHEAD] #4155316
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Originally Posted by JUGHEAD
Bumping this to the end as I don’t believe gobbler ever saw it and I would like his take. Simply put, was there reintroduction/restocking in Jackson County, timing wise, that could potentially explain the seeming over abundance of turkeys described above? I found in the “Wild Turkey in Alabama” by Steve and Victoria Barnett where they documented there have been 49 males and 126 females released in Jackson County, but I couldn’t find any timelines associated with any of the county’s restocking efforts.



I don't know anything about that area, but I will say, in general, that the high populations we experienced in the early 2000's were un-natural. I don't expect to see them again. I think we are at a "natural" population level.


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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: JUGHEAD] #4155379
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I don’t know…….I think maybe it could be the opposite……What was it that was “unnatural” about the turkey populations we used to have??.....The populations were still under the limiting bounds of the “natural” resources available, correct?….. There was just lower levels of predation occurring…..

I think what is occurring now is actually more non-natural because of all the ways in which humans are supplementing the predator populations. The level at which the turkey populations exists in these scenarios is just relative to the levels at which the predator populations exist……I’d be careful labeling what we have now as “natural”……I think we're propping up a way higher predator load than what would "naturally" occur

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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: JUGHEAD] #4155386
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All of our “inputs” that we’re feeding into the system in the way of everything from food waste tossed behind houses and all the garbage we produce…..fertilized hay fields….. tons of corn being dumped out……all the excess mice we harbor because of all of it…..and so on and so forth……We humans are injecting a lot of artificial inputs into the system that directly feeds predator populations and pushes their numbers to “unnatural” levels……coyotes, coons, avian predators.

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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: JUGHEAD] #4155616
06/29/24 11:16 AM
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I’ve seen several bald eagles around here and every time they’ve been in the ditch eating road kill….. You could probably add free roadkill to the list of subsidies…. This is our main issue …..Humans are creating a situation where predator populations are peaked out at high levels compared to what the land would naturally support otherwise……Meanwhile the turkeys are having to operate at “reality levels” for resources…..They don’t have the same supplementation help that the predators are getting. Actually, they are probably working against the opposite….humans eliminating resources like insect life and optimal habitat……

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Re: Question for gobbler [Re: gobbler] #4155655
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Originally Posted by gobbler
Originally Posted by JUGHEAD
Bumping this to the end as I don’t believe gobbler ever saw it and I would like his take. Simply put, was there reintroduction/restocking in Jackson County, timing wise, that could potentially explain the seeming over abundance of turkeys described above? I found in the “Wild Turkey in Alabama” by Steve and Victoria Barnett where they documented there have been 49 males and 126 females released in Jackson County, but I couldn’t find any timelines associated with any of the county’s restocking efforts.



I don't know anything about that area, but I will say, in general, that the high populations we experienced in the early 2000's were un-natural. I don't expect to see them again. I think we are at a "natural" population level.



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