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Re: Dry does: too many does spinoff [Re: 3FFarms] #3812236
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Re: Dry does: too many does spinoff [Re: 3FFarms] #3812259
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If we could go back and have a do over with our restocking…..I think we might have been better off to have restocked the lower third of the state with deer from Clarke Co……..the middle third of the state with deer from Sumpter Co……and the upper third from a source like Cades Cove with a December rut. What would really be interesting to know is how many native does still existed across the state at the time of restocking. There is the possibility that some of today’s bubbles grew back from native doe herds. The extreme northeast corner would be a likely suspect for it.


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If we would have done that we would see a much more uniform rut across the state with more herds seeing your typical 2 week peak……As it is now though, we’ve created lots and lots of these intermingling zones between bubbles where this “variance” occurs. Having an early Jan bubble next to a late Jan bubble next to a November bubble created by our restocking, creates lots of zones across the state where bucks are trying to actively breed does for much longer time frames than the normal two week time period……This is also why other folks report seeing well defined ruts occurring at the same time each year…..It just depends on where you fall out……THIS ^^^^ in addition to no age structure are the main drivers of “run down bucks” in our state. There’s not a whole lot we can do at this point about how we restocked it


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Re: Dry does: too many does spinoff [Re: Pwyse] #3812299
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Re: Dry does: too many does spinoff [Re: CNC] #3812340
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If we could go back and have a do over with our restocking…..I think we might have been better off to have restocked the lower third of the state with deer from Clarke Co……..the middle third of the state with deer from Sumpter Co……and the upper third from a source like Cades Cove with a December rut. What would really be interesting to know is how many native does still existed across the state at the time of restocking. There is the possibility that some of today’s bubbles grew back from native doe herds. The extreme northeast corner would be a likely suspect for it.

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To make this whole multiverse bubble restocking thing even more complicated and to show the possibilities that exist…….You could potentially have a bubble that is dominated by Late Jan does……a bubble that is dominated by early Jan does…….and a bubble that was a 50/50 mix of both within the same bubble…….or even a mix of several……..Barbour Co would likely be a good example……It just all depends on how each of these doe stockings reproduced and spread after release…….Which ones lived and which ones didn’t??....... Which areas expanded quicker?......Where did the expanding populations meet and expansion stop?

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Re: Dry does: too many does spinoff [Re: Pwyse] #3812371
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do you actually have anything productive to add to the discussion or do you just like to add insults? It's the latter if I had to guess but please enlighten me

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do you actually have anything productive to add to the discussion or do you just like to add insults? It's the latter if I had to guess but please enlighten me

My favorite part of CNC threads is the way he plows through all the hate and keeps on rambling. Reading 5 pages of his theories with snarky comments sprinkled in is entertaining. I need to find something better to do with my time when stuck in the city lol.

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That’s one heckuva woman



do you actually have anything productive to add to the discussion or do you just like to add insults? It's the latter if I had to guess but please enlighten me

My favorite part of CNC threads is the way he plows through all the hate and keeps on rambling. Reading 5 pages of his theories with snarky comments sprinkled in is entertaining. I need to find something better to do with my time when stuck in the city lol.

I’m a fan, after all that’s what this place is for. Agree or disagree, I like to talk about different theories or ideas as to xyz. I think he’s a lot closer to the truth than some of y’all realize, even if it goes against what we think we already know.

Re: Dry does: too many does spinoff [Re: Mbrock] #3812393
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
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If we could go back and have a do over with our restocking…..I think we might have been better off to have restocked the lower third of the state with deer from Clarke Co……..the middle third of the state with deer from Sumpter Co……and the upper third from a source like Cades Cove with a December rut. What would really be interesting to know is how many native does still existed across the state at the time of restocking. There is the possibility that some of today’s bubbles grew back from native doe herds. The extreme northeast corner would be a likely suspect for it.


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Originally Posted by rhino21
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That’s one heckuva woman



do you actually have anything productive to add to the discussion or do you just like to add insults? It's the latter if I had to guess but please enlighten me



This whole thread stopped being productive about page 5. But if you go back and read the entire thread you will see that I was asking questions and adding to the conversation. That was before it went off the deer bubble zone deep end.

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That’s one heckuva woman



do you actually have anything productive to add to the discussion or do you just like to add insults? It's the latter if I had to guess but please enlighten me



This whole thread stopped being productive about page 5. But if you go back and read the entire thread you will see that I was asking questions and adding to the conversation. That was before it went off the deer bubble zone deep end.


been here the whole time and stand by my original statement!

Re: Dry does: too many does spinoff [Re: Mbrock] #3812986
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
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You know what’s really ironic with this starting out as a buck to doe ratio discussion………and I’m not saying that this is the realistic solution but just what’s theoretically possible……. The way things exist now, the way for us to see the most defined rut across the most acres would be through pushing each bubble to max doe capacity……….That would reduce the size of the variance zones to their smallest amount of space……For example, that last variance zone I pointed at one either side of I-59 would become more and more narrow running parallel to the interstate the more maxed each population became......taking habitat breaks into consideration. If you want to recommend for someone to shoot does then you would have the folks in the variance zones do it and let the population expand from the more conformed center. Again, though that’s just pointing out some theoretical stuff that’s technically possible on paper but likely not so much in the real world.

What IS likely very possible though and what would likely achieve a better balance for all is if you just worked with the major players in each bubble and get them to stop with any heavy doe harvests……Let them be the producers for the bubble and the smaller guys be the moderators. That’s really not that hard to do. I know of about 5 properties in Macon Co that would support the whole system for that area if they all stopped trying to achieve any annual “doe quotas”……There will always be folks out there who will keep shooting them. That would basically be creating the exact same scenario described in the first paragraph…..Bubbles with growth in the center, moderated on the edges.... That would create pretty good happy medium I believe where management is looked at on a larger scale than just individual properties …….Those are just ideas though.

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