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Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596242 01/27/22 09:42 AM 01/27/22 09:42 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	I've never tracked a deer shot with a bow this far back........I've tracked numerous ones shot with a gun. If you dont believe there is a big difference in guns versus bow then you're simply making assumptions and not looking at the real world data Different deer with the same shot.......Bayed and dispatched over a mile from the shot site. Gun hunters are slinging lead fellas... Last edited by CNC; 01/27/22 09:48 AM. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596270 01/27/22 10:02 AM 01/27/22 10:02 AM
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globe Booner G Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,351 Kennedy, al	Running dogs we lost a few deer, but by far We’ve lost more deer with a bow than with a gun. Especially when you factor in how few we shot with a bow vs how many we shoot during gun season. Everything woke turns to shucks

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596285 01/27/22 10:11 AM 01/27/22 10:11 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	The question isn’t “How many did you shoot at and not recover”……The question is "How many of those you shot at ended up dying because of it?" There’s actually been some studies done on this. It showed that something like 91% or 93% of deer not recovered by bowhunters end up living. This is what it looks like when a bowhunter misses a little too far forward. This deer was tracked and lived but killed later. This was the original wound. This is what it looks like when a gun hunter misses the same way…..This deer was tracked, bayed, and dispatched. Big difference in the amount of trauma caused by a gun versus a bow on marginal shots. Last edited by CNC; 01/27/22 10:12 AM. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596292 01/27/22 10:21 AM 01/27/22 10:21 AM
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marlin78 spike M Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 57 Mobile	My 11 year old killed a 7 year old seven point on Saturday afternoon. It had old scar tissue from a broadhead just north of his jugular. Same shot with a gun would've blown its head off.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596297 01/27/22 10:27 AM 01/27/22 10:27 AM
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hawndog 8 point H Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,574 Tuscaloosa	Not assumptions. Been hunting and tracking shot up deer for thirty years. I see what happens. It could be you don’t get those calls because people see the arrow hit and know better than to go look for it. Too many deer get shot up and lost and your answer is to limit weapons to a bow. If folks can’t kill with a rifle a bow will be worse. It Ain’t that hard. I’m done here. Ive Had enough arguing with a fence post.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: CNC] #3596302 01/27/22 10:30 AM 01/27/22 10:30 AM
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hawndog 8 point H Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,574 Tuscaloosa	Originally Posted by CNC The question isn’t “How many did you shoot at and not recover”……The question is "How many of those you shot at ended up dying because of it?" There’s actually been some studies done on this. It showed that something like 91% or 93% of deer not recovered by bowhunters end up living. This is what it looks like when a bowhunter misses a little too far forward. This deer was tracked and lived but killed later. This was the original wound. This is what it looks like when a gun hunter misses the same way…..This deer was tracked, bayed, and dispatched. Big difference in the amount of trauma caused by a gun versus a bow on marginal shots. So a deer living from a shot is better than one dying that was later recovered? You are making my point for me. Thanks

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596307 01/27/22 10:35 AM 01/27/22 10:35 AM
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Droptine-13 4 point D Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 229 Slocomb	Who freakin cares if someone's dog runs and bays up a wounded deer. That's no different that coyotes or wild dogs doing it. If the deer is hurt bad enough he will die one way or another might as well recover it. Cause I can promise you one thing I've ran deer dogs long enough to know ain't no health deer just going to stop running. If you have a problem with track dogs by all means don't ever call one but let the guys doing it and the hunter who shot the deer recover it.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: hawndog] #3596323 01/27/22 10:51 AM 01/27/22 10:51 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	Originally Posted by hawndog So a deer living from a shot is better than one dying that was later recovered? You are making my point for me. Thanks Yes, bow hunters cause much less unrecovered mortality. Its just a fact chief…..Over 90% of deer shot with a bow either live to be hunted another day or it goes home in the back of the truck…..Per studies there are less than 10% of them that get mortally hit with a bow and not recovered. You’re talking about mostly gut shots or low shots that are often the easiest ones for the dog to track so adding in tracking dogs cuts that number down to near nothing. At the end of the day a bowhunter combined with a good tracking dog are not gonna leave many dead deer in the woods…..Period….End stop. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596338 01/27/22 11:11 AM 01/27/22 11:11 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	I hope that all of these pictures demonstrate to folks the variety of different shots that are occurring that trackers are salvaging instead of it just being about the ONE folks find to cry about. This is what the vast majority of what we recover actually looks like…… We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596443 01/27/22 01:09 PM 01/27/22 01:09 PM
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Nightwatchman 8 point Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,505 Tuscaloosa, AL	I've seen way too many consecutive pictures in the same thread of deer that have their balls shot off

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3596592 01/27/22 05:04 PM 01/27/22 05:04 PM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	In a nutshell the bow versus gun debate boils down to no matter how many arras bowhunters may sling….. they typically either hit the deer inside the red circle and recover it or they hit outside of the red circle and just scratch it up with a flesh wound.....especially with the new mechanical broadheads... Gun hunters on the other hand have a much more powerful weapon in their hands and four legs to blow off from any angle. Without tracking dogs virtually none of these gun shots get recovered. That's how gun hunters account for a higher percentage of unrecovered mortality. Last edited by CNC; 01/27/22 05:06 PM. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3602793 02/03/22 09:02 AM 02/03/22 09:02 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	Bow shot deer we tracked a couple weeks ago…….Deer was quartering to the hunter at 30 ish yards….arrow was never recovered. We tracked it the next morning for maybe 350-400 yards with pretty decent blood before the trail just stopped……The deer lives to be hunted another day. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3602825 02/03/22 09:34 AM 02/03/22 09:34 AM
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twaldrop4 10 point Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,219 Central Al	I wonder if people are just way less picky with a gun because they think there super creedmoor magnum will kill an elephant anywhere they hit.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: twaldrop4] #3602860 02/03/22 10:01 AM 02/03/22 10:01 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	Originally Posted by twaldrop4 I wonder if people are just way less picky with a gun because they think there super creedmoor magnum will kill an elephant anywhere they hit. There’s definitely a lot of misconceptions about the impacts of guns versus bows….. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3602873 02/03/22 10:27 AM 02/03/22 10:27 AM
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foldemup 14 point Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 9,974 Hampton Cove	CNC, do you know if that deer was shot from ground level or elevated? If elevated, it seems like it would’ve gotten the other lung If you want to always win, never play anyone better than you!

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: foldemup] #3602899 02/03/22 10:58 AM 02/03/22 10:58 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	Originally Posted by foldemup CNC, do you know if that deer was shot from ground level or elevated? If elevated, it seems like it would’ve gotten the other lung It was elevated maybe 15 ft or so.....one of the taller ladder stands. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3602907 02/03/22 11:08 AM 02/03/22 11:08 AM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	There was more blood on this one than your normal shoulder shot so it clipped something pretty good in there. It was a teenage boy that shot it. It was the first buck he’d ever slung an arrow at so he was shook up and didn’t know for sure exactly where it hit…. He reported hearing a good thump though. We were all thinking he had hit too far back and we’re expecting to find a dead deer. It was disappointing that day not to find. We dont rent pigs

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: foldemup] #3602944 02/03/22 11:55 AM 02/03/22 11:55 AM
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HippieKiller 10 point Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,230 Semmes, AL	Originally Posted by foldemup CNC, do you know if that deer was shot from ground level or elevated? If elevated, it seems like it would’ve gotten the other lung I highly recommend you listen to this: MASH ME Lots of eye opening information regarding what is/isn't lethal and survival rates. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: CNC] #3603912 02/04/22 02:43 PM 02/04/22 02:43 PM
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hawndog 8 point H Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,574 Tuscaloosa	Originally Posted by CNC Bow shot deer we tracked a couple weeks ago…….Deer was quartering to the hunter at 30 ish yards….arrow was never recovered. We tracked it the next morning for maybe 350-400 yards with pretty decent blood before the trail just stopped……The deer lives to be hunted another day. I said I was done here. But back to point out that you are again showing us a pic. of a deer that was left wounded by a bow. To show how less deer are lost with a bow. Makes Sense.

Re: Blood tracking vs running deer with dogs [Re: Beadlescomb] #3603914 02/04/22 02:55 PM 02/04/22 02:55 PM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL	I said less unrecovered mortality……he aint dead or lost. Last edited by CNC; 02/04/22 02:55 PM. We dont rent pigs

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