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Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: leroycnbucks] #2612629
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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
Will someone please tell me what the hell is a machine gun?



ma·chine gun
[məˈSHēn ɡən]

NOUN
an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed.

Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: oakachoy] #2612635
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What I just read quickly didn't mention fully automatic rifles? It was always "machine guns". I know you know the difference. So, you can get a stamp for a fully automatic rifle, but i'm not sure about a belt fed machine gun.


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Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: bama1971] #2612644
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Originally Posted by bama1971
Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
Will someone please tell me what the hell is a machine gun?



ma·chine gun
[məˈSHēn ɡən]

NOUN
an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed.



All firearms are machined. Call a fully automatic weapon a " machine gun" in the military and see what happens. It a hyped word used for cause in affect for the media.


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Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: leroycnbucks] #2612649
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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks



All firearms are machined. Call a fully automatic weapon a " machine gun" in the military and see what happens. It a hyped word used for cause in affect for the media.


im sure that is exactly what they are using it for, but it doesn't change the fact that its a word. im sitting here at my desk looking at it in a 1982 edition of a dictionary

Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: Simpleman] #2612708
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If he bought the rifle in the early 80's then the fact it was full auto shouldn't matter should it? Pre Reagan executive order.

Fully automatic weapons have been illegal without registration and a tax stamp since the National Firearms Act of 1938.

So what did the 1986 Reagan order change? Did it just cap the number of full auto rifles in public hands at that level?

Reagan stated that no fully automatic weapons manufactured after 1986 could be owned or possessed by civiliations. Post 1986 fully automatic weapons can only be possessed by the government, federal, state or local.

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Yes. All legally owned machine guns(a weapon that fires more than one shot with a single trigger pull) must be pre 1986 manufacture.


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Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: doekiller] #2612734
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Originally Posted by doekiller
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If he bought the rifle in the early 80's then the fact it was full auto shouldn't matter should it? Pre Reagan executive order.

Fully automatic weapons have been illegal without registration and a tax stamp since the National Firearms Act of 1938.

So what did the 1986 Reagan order change? Did it just cap the number of full auto rifles in public hands at that level?

Reagan stated that no fully automatic weapons manufactured after 1986 could be owned or possessed by civiliations. Post 1986 fully automatic weapons can only be possessed by the government, federal, state or local.

I gotcha, thanks for the education.

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I wasn't aware there were full auto M-14's. I bet the recoil was substantial.


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Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: doekiller] #2613024
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Originally Posted by doekiller
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If he bought the rifle in the early 80's then the fact it was full auto shouldn't matter should it? Pre Reagan executive order.

Fully automatic weapons have been illegal without registration and a tax stamp since the National Firearms Act of 1938.

So what did the 1986 Reagan order change? Did it just cap the number of full auto rifles in public hands at that level?

Reagan stated that no fully automatic weapons manufactured after 1986 could be owned or possessed by civiliations. Post 1986 fully automatic weapons can only be possessed by the government, federal, state or local.


More specifically, May 19, 1986 was the cut off date for fully automatic weapons to be in the federal registry and be available to us regular folks. There was a HUGE rush by several manufacturers to get receivers built and registered before midnight that night. This created a finite number of automatic weapons in the NFA Registry and a MAC10 that cost $175 in 1973 plus the $200 tax stamp is now bringing $8K plus the same $200 tax stamp.


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Plano Man Sentenced to 7 Years for Firearms Violation

PLANO, Texas – A 70-year-old Plano, Texas man has been sentenced to federal prison for a firearms violation in the Eastern District of Texas, announced U.S. Attorney Joseph D. Brown.
Alfred Pick pleaded guilty on May 22, 2018, to a charge of possession of a firearm while an unlawful user of a controlled substance and was sentenced, pursuant to an agreement by all parties, to 87 months in federal prison on Oct. 17, 2018 by U.S. District Judge Marcia Crone.
According to information presented to the court, Plano police were called to an area hospital on Oct. 2, 2017, regarding a belligerent individual. Officers encountered Pick, who was upset about the treatment of a relative in the hospital, and had told medical staff and others, that he intended to return to the hospital with a firearm and “would shoot [hospital staff] in their kneecaps and elbows first and let them bleed.” Pick was taken into custody and delivered to mental health authorities for an evaluation.
As a result of the incident at the hospital, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) opened an investigation that eventually received information that Pick possessed weapons and narcotics at his home. Agents obtained a search warrant and found over 2 grams of cocaine and over 10 grams of marijuana in Pick’s residence. Agents also discover 14 firearms at Pick’s residence, including a fully automatic machine gun with an obliterated serial number that witnesses later told investigators that Pick had admitted he stole while he served in the military.
The sentencing court also received information that Pick had repeatedly been cited for criminal trespass at various area hospitals for his aggressive behavior, involving both verbal and physical abuse of medical staff and impeding staff. The court also heard that police had been called on two prior occasions in 2014 to restaurant parking lots where patrons reported that Pick had been threatening and brandished handguns in encounters with him.
Additional information presented at sentencing revealed Pick’s daughter reported to investigators that Pick had sexually abused her from the time she was 4-years-old until the age of 17, taking nude photographs of her to, as he put it, “chart her growth” and sexually assaulting her.
Finally, the sentencing court received evidence that Pick threatened the Federal Magistrate Judge who detained him indicating he would fly his plane with explosives to kill the Judge and ATF agents who investigated his case. Pick also stated that he would “have taught the Las Vegas shooter a thing or two,” referring to the Oct. 1, 2017 mass shooting.
“Obviously, there was a lot more to the sentence that was received – a sentence that Mr. Pick and his lawyer agreed to – than a single gun with a missing serial number,” said U.S. Attorney Joseph D. Brown. “Although Mr. Pick was a decorated veteran, he would use that status routinely to try to excuse his repeated criminal behavior. This was also not a mental health issue. It became a public safety issue.”
“The people concerned for Mr. Pick’s safety when he honorably served our nation were the same people most-concerned for his and the public’s safety throughout our investigation,” stated ATF Special Agent in Charge Jeffrey C. Boshek II. “I applaud those that recognized and reported Mr. Pick’s abuse of controlled substances, amplified threats and intensified displays of physical and psychological aggression as well as the decisive action of the ATF Agents.”
In addition to the charge for which he was convicted, Pick was originally charged with two other violations – possession of an unregistered firearm and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number. As part of Pick’s agreement to plead guilty and agreement as to the term of his sentence, these charges were dismissed.
This case was investigated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tracey Batson.

Re: Vietnam Vet get 7 years [Re: oakachoy] #2615176
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So, there is a lot more to this story than just a vet with a gun. 1). The gun was illegal. 2). He was in possession of Cocaine, not just some weed to get him by and 3). He threatened to shoot up a hospital. Looked at in totality, he deserves to go somewhere for awhile. Maybe they can check his mental health and treat him if needed.


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