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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Abbhudson] #2560086
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by jallencrockett
I think that states should 100 percent manage their resources for the vast usage to be limited to residents only on public land. ALABAMA SHOULD VASTLY limit NR hunting all they can on both private and state owned props.
This is just better for the regular guy. However, on fed property inside of state there should be equal non resident and resident access in my opinion.


You want the state to dictate who can hunt on privately owned lands?

That seems like the 1st step down a very slippery slope.



Yes I do to the extent that NR pay so much or limited opportunity that it would allow locals an opportunity to afford leases due to a decrease of supply and demand... this is more so for big game as waters are typically federal.

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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: jallencrockett] #2560136
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Originally Posted by jallencrockett
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by jallencrockett
I think that states should 100 percent manage their resources for the vast usage to be limited to residents only on public land. ALABAMA SHOULD VASTLY limit NR hunting all they can on both private and state owned props.
This is just better for the regular guy. However, on fed property inside of state there should be equal non resident and resident access in my opinion.


You want the state to dictate who can hunt on privately owned lands?

That seems like the 1st step down a very slippery slope.



Yes I do to the extent that NR pay so much or limited opportunity that it would allow locals an opportunity to afford leases due to a decrease of supply and demand... this is more so for big game as waters are typically federal.


Don't most states already do that?

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Abbhudson] #2560147
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Lets say tomorrow new regs we're put into place that no one other than Alabama residents were allowed to hunt in Alabama you think demand for leases would go down enough that prices would drop also?

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Abbhudson] #2560156
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Lets say tomorrow new regs we're put into place that no one other than Alabama residents were allowed to hunt in Alabama you think demand for leases would go down enough that prices would drop also?


not feasable but yes in the area I hunt. Boocoo leases shoot 50 percent or more are NR with TRUCK LOADS OF CORN WITH FL TAGS.

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Abbhudson] #2560181
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by jallencrockett
I think that states should 100 percent manage their resources for the vast usage to be limited to residents only on public land. ALABAMA SHOULD VASTLY limit NR hunting all they can on both private and state owned props.
This is just better for the regular guy. However, on fed property inside of state there should be equal non resident and resident access in my opinion.


You want the state to dictate who can hunt on privately owned lands?

That seems like the 1st step down a very slippery slope.


I agree it could be a slippery slope but at the same time it could be a viable option to reduce impact to state owned acces vs federal. I try to play devils advocate in all situations. I personally would want all access to bayou meto to OOS but if I were an instater/local I’d want the resource for me and my boys primarily. Granted there are second and third order effects here, but I can see the grounds of the argument.

Say during turkey season would it be better from your perspective to allow OOS hunters to only access National Forest vs WMA’s? Not sure it’s the right answer from a business perspective but if we’re headed down that road with competing states it may hold ground from an ethical/fair use perspective. Food for thought.

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2560207
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NR Alligator tags in florida are over $1000 bucks and waterways are federal seems wrong. In our area in Union Springs we have the same 5 landowners nearby. The 3 or 4 close nearby leases are all out of state and have been for as long as I have known. I'm serious when I say the lease holders look like low riders with the corn loaded in back of trucks driving by. I never kill a deer that doesnt have corn and none is being put out on the land we hunt!

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2560245
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I guess I underestimated the amount of NR leasing land here.

That said I feel like the chain of events would go like this:

Alabama locks out NR. Surrounding states then follow suit starting a domino effect. All those AL boys leasing land in Kentucky, illinois, Arkansas, Mississippi etc now have to lease land at home. Seems like we'd be back in the same situation.

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Abbhudson] #2560279
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
I guess I underestimated the amount of NR leasing land here.

For those saying the state should dictate who a private land owner leases his land to.......I guess I underestimated the number of socialists here.

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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Driveby] #2560399
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Originally Posted by Driveby
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
I guess I underestimated the amount of NR leasing land here.

For those saying the state should dictate who a private land owner leases his land to.......I guess I underestimated the number of socialists here.

Everybody is against government regulations, unless those regulations are for their own interests. rolleyes


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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2560498
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Au not me. I'm an advocate of Capitalism but Laisse Faire Capitalism doesnt work (Greed and tyrants prevail without some intervention).. Now I will say perhaps limiting of access to NR is a more fair and reasonable way to afford more opportunity for people in a state the chance to participate then just charging exhorbitant NR fees that allow only the affluent or breaks the back of a working man to participate. but I reiterate on FED properties inside of a state I believe cost and access should be relatively equal for all.

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2560587
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Dang. You’d think the $300+ license fee that non-residents pay on top of leases, food, lodging, etc. would be enough. Didn’t know we had folks that would actually advocate for limiting non resident hunting opportunities.

I think Arkansas is making a big mistake by limiting opportunities to non-residents. I figure that will put a decent dent in their economy when folks go elsewhere to hunt. You can either take the revenue or let the locals have the public ground, but you can’t have both.

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: CeeHawk37] #2561039
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Originally Posted by CeeHawk37
Dang. You’d think the $300+ license fee that non-residents pay on top of leases, food, lodging, etc. would be enough. Didn’t know we had folks that would actually advocate for limiting non resident hunting opportunities.

I think Arkansas is making a big mistake by limiting opportunities to non-residents. I figure that will put a decent dent in their economy when folks go elsewhere to hunt. You can either take the revenue or let the locals have the public ground, but you can’t have both.


I don't know man, lots of trucks head west for duck season from the SE, so if you limit it, they'll just head west at a different time..

Most of those are headed to private ground anyway, which isn't part of this.


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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Driveby] #2563982
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Originally Posted by Driveby
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
I guess I underestimated the amount of NR leasing land here.

For those saying the state should dictate who a private land owner leases his land to.......I guess I underestimated the number of socialists here.

Amen! Landowner should be able to lease it to whoever the hell he wants to.

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2564724
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They just need to send the El Camino Crew up through there to Dave Donaldson and have them make a sweep back South through the Metro area, DeWitt and then back across the river at Helena.

Make it like Sherman's march hitting all the boat ramps with that 1/2 lab/pit mix they got bashing windows and slashing tires.

That's a lot easier than telling people who they can and can't lease to.

The ECC may ride again. You never know.... they might could even get that one missing an eye after getting stabbed with an ice pick by his son in a poker game outa the pen for this raid.


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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2564889
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They can keep it. The whole state for that matter.

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: toothdoc] #2566318
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Originally Posted by toothdoc
Originally Posted by Driveby
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
I guess I underestimated the amount of NR leasing land here.

For those saying the state should dictate who a private land owner leases his land to.......I guess I underestimated the number of socialists here.

Amen! Landowner should be able to lease it to whoever the hell he wants to.



Must be non land owners suggesting such things as govt control of private property!

Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2566745
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It's getting crazy out there again on prices. My buddy lost his lease he has been in for 21 years. He's looking at places right now and I must say, prices are way high. I'd guess might have something do with he such to limit out of staters from public grounds.


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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: TickaTicka] #2566897
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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Good idea. I agree, nobody should go to arkansas to hunt ducks. Its much better here.


This. Especially NEA. Not worth the drive!!


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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: toothdoc] #2566909
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Originally Posted by toothdoc
Originally Posted by Driveby
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
I guess I underestimated the amount of NR leasing land here.

For those saying the state should dictate who a private land owner leases his land to.......I guess I underestimated the number of socialists here.

Amen! Landowner should be able to lease it to whoever the hell he wants to.


And anyone who wants to tell me, a private landowner, who I can or can't lease my land to can smooch my tookus.


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Re: Arkansas to Non-Resident Waterfowlers: Screw You [Re: Clem] #2567119
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Duck hunting and specifically duck hunting in Arkansas is super trendy right now. Nearly all the land that was once leased reasonably is going for astronomical prices and mostly to non-residents. The farm we leased for years was $5000 a season for 600 acres..... we let it go when it went to $12k.... now it's $18k.

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