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lucky to be alive! #934043
04/15/14 03:56 AM
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Had two new guys training on my job tonight and one of them pushed a button on the machine we were working on and crushed me into a pole. just got out of uab with some broken ribs and alot of swelling but it beats dying. Dont know which one of them hit the other button to get it off me but thank god he did. once healed up im going to look for another job cause being a millwright at us pipe training all these new guys coming in isnt worth my life

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934047
04/15/14 03:59 AM
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Glad your ok. That could have been real bad

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934053
04/15/14 04:03 AM
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chilton co.
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Damn..Glad your ok!!

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934060
04/15/14 04:09 AM
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Dang that sucks glad it wasn't worse.


Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934069
04/15/14 04:17 AM
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Man that sucks. Those rib injuries are tough to get over.


We will burn that bridge when we get there
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: Beadlescomb] #934075
04/15/14 04:21 AM
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Northport, Al.
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Praise the Lord you're still alive.

Really scary how much worse it could have been.

Gonna be sore, but, at least you're still with us!!


God Bless,
David B.

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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934078
04/15/14 04:22 AM
04/15/14 04:22 AM
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Chilton County
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Hope you recover soon.

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934079
04/15/14 04:23 AM
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GLAD YOU ARE OK.


"To be angry is to be alive. I love it. Anger is better than love. I think it is more pure,". Al Goldstein
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934080
04/15/14 04:23 AM
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Glad you gonna be ok.

When I first saw this thread I thought a "Pit" had attacked you. laugh


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934087
04/15/14 04:27 AM
04/15/14 04:27 AM
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Dang spy, I'm glad you made it out alive. This will give me more time to yank your chain on the football threads. smile
Seriously, glad your injuries aren't worse, cause they could have been. That's one of those times you start counting limbs, fingers and toes hoping you didn't lose any. Hopefully, workmans comp won't screw you over.


Pick'n and a grin'n
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934095
04/15/14 04:35 AM
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Did you call Alexander Shunaharalala?


Joking aside, glad it was minor compared to what it could have been.


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934101
04/15/14 04:37 AM
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wow..glad youre ok!

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934107
04/15/14 04:40 AM
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Hope for a speedy recovery.


There are no rainy days...
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934109
04/15/14 04:41 AM
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Glad you're going to be ok.


"Just remember a gobbler has to win every time, you only have to win once"
BC
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934111
04/15/14 04:41 AM
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Its a dangerous place out there, gotta stay on your toes. Glad ur ok


Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers..........
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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934113
04/15/14 04:43 AM
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Glad you're ok. I will be praying for a speedy recovery.


"I'm going to kill one million! 6 legally with a shotgun, and the rest with this icey stare." - Si Robertson
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934138
04/15/14 05:02 AM
04/15/14 05:02 AM
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Florida Panhandle
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Dang gone, glad you're ok. That musta been scary!!


Hunt'em hard when they are hard to hunt but never, ever hardly hunt!
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934181
04/15/14 05:43 AM
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Glad you're ok brother

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934185
04/15/14 05:46 AM
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lock out tag out?????? You're lucky. Let me rephrase that, your blessed that the good Lord was looking out for you and it wasnt worse.

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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934188
04/15/14 05:49 AM
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Missouri
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Glad you are OK.


It takes a long time to grow an old friend.
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934223
04/15/14 06:18 AM
04/15/14 06:18 AM
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Close call for sure.


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934227
04/15/14 06:21 AM
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Sterrett, AL, USA
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Glad you're ok.


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: abolt300] #934233
04/15/14 06:23 AM
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Mobile Alabama
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Glad youre ok! Lock/tag that crap out!


On the Eighth day God created flounder.
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: abolt300] #934257
04/15/14 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: abolt300
lock out tag out?????? You're lucky. Let me rephrase that, your blessed that the good Lord was looking out for you and it wasnt worse.


X 2. Glad you are OK.


One day the right woman will come along and the next thing you know you'll be wearing her underwear!
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934259
04/15/14 06:37 AM
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Either lock out/tag out or tell the new guy that he doesn't touch a frigging button unless he is told. Glad it wasn't worse.


"How in the hell did you get to be a moderator?"...Skinny

God Bless Nick Saban!
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934268
04/15/14 06:47 AM
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Yea Glad your ok!


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934269
04/15/14 06:48 AM
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Praise God it wasn't any worse...


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: Brent] #934290
04/15/14 07:02 AM
04/15/14 07:02 AM
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Pike County, AL
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Originally Posted By: Brent
Either lock out/tag out or tell the new guy that he doesn't touch a frigging button unless he is told. Glad it wasn't worse.


Always lock out. It is for your own safety. You never know who may wonder onto the job site and try and turn something on when you aren't looking.

I'm glad you are ok!

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934304
04/15/14 07:11 AM
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Glad you are OK,where I work there would be 3 fired asses if that happened.

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: MANGLER] #934359
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Originally Posted By: MANGLER
Originally Posted By: abolt300
lock out tag out?????? You're lucky. Let me rephrase that, your blessed that the good Lord was looking out for you and it wasnt worse.


X 2. Glad you are OK.


X3 there is no exceptions. Lock out/tag out, then try out make sure nothing will move or is energized.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke
Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934367
04/15/14 07:55 AM
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Glad that you are OK


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934464
04/15/14 08:44 AM
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Harpersville, AL
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Glad you're ok


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: tfd1224] #934645
04/15/14 10:53 AM
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Happy to hear your ok !

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: wishbone] #934716
04/15/14 11:36 AM
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Glad you are alright. Busted ribs are no fun. Had the front right tire of a military police humvee center my chest about 15 years ago. Busted all my ribs, crushed sternum, air in my lungs pushed out into bubble wrap like pockets under the skin. DRT. Medic got me going again, told me later each chest compression felt like broken glass. Takes a while to get over it.

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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934728
04/15/14 11:45 AM
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The way I read it, he was training some new folks on the machinery, no need to LOTO as they were using it, I may be wrong either way I'm glad it wasn't worse than what it was!!

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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934777
04/15/14 12:48 PM
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thanks for the support guys. we were making some last min changes on the machine and with what we have to change out you cant lock it out while you are doing some of the work. you can bet i learned a lesson from this and will not be so careless around new workers.

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #934821
04/15/14 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: spy
thanks for the support guys. we were making some last min changes on the machine and with what we have to change out you cant lock it out while you are doing some of the work. you can bet i learned a lesson from this and will not be so careless around new workers.


Bull crap.

Again, I am glad that you are here to tell this story, and I don't intend for this to come off like I am talking down to you, but that is no excuse for you or others getting hurt.

I don't know what you were doing, but they make lockable switches. If that won't work something else can be incorporated that is lockable, or otherwise protects you from being crushed.

Sure it takes time to apply and remove locks, but as you know people will push buttons they are not supposed to, and I am not willing to risk my life, or that of others due to this.

Your employer has an obligation to protect you from known or reasonably assumed hazards, and what you were working on is one of them as demonstrated by your accident this morning.

If I come across as being harsh here so be it. I can sleep with that a lot better than by not saying anything and hearing of someone else getting hurt.

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #935102
04/15/14 04:39 PM
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The arms we were working on to put shims under wont stay up if they are locked out. dont disagree with you about locking stuff out but on this machine its not possible to do it while working on it sometimes and thats not safe. i will be looking to change jobs soon even if its for less money. this has opened my eyes up over how unsafe it is to work on these pipe casting machine because of there design.

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #935114
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Originally Posted By: spy
The arms we were working on to put shims under wont stay up if they are locked out. dont disagree with you about locking stuff out but on this machine its not possible to do it while working on it sometimes and thats not safe. i will be looking to change jobs soon even if its for less money. this has opened my eyes up over how unsafe it is to work on these pipe casting machine because of there design.

First, I'm glad you're ok man. Accidents like this usually don't end so well! Second, the company you work for needs to get a safe way to work on the machine engineered or somebody else will end up owning the place after a member of their family loses their life from working on live equipment. Surely some form of pins, chains or braces can be added to the arms for safety. No way I'm working on a machine when my safety is depending on someone not pushing a button!

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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #935127
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Don't quit your job, talk to your employer and let them fix the problem. It is their responsibility. The fact that you were hospitalized means the case is reportable to OSHA, so they may very well get a visit and be forced to fix the issue anyway.

A push of a button caused the injury. Properly controlling the button would be a good place to start. This can be as simple as putting a lockable box over the button. Nothing about the machine would change, except that the button would be controlled.

Lots of machines are worked on while energized everyday; however they have controls or interlocks in place to prevent accidental activation of the hazard.

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #935133
04/15/14 05:10 PM
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Sounds to me like your employer should have had some way to protect you from the "potential" of being crushed/injured/killed, etc. Just a thought....

Glad you are still with us.

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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #935152
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Dang glad to hear your okay.Your right few broken ribs is better than being dead though..


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Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: spy] #935247
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I hear they been welding up something to keep people from beimg able to stand where i was at the time it got me. also its a computer screen you push buttons on and when you do you have to take your eye off the machine and other workers.

Re: lucky to be alive! [Re: Fuzzy_Bunny] #935796
04/16/14 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
Don't quit your job, talk to your employer and let them fix the problem. It is their responsibility. The fact that you were hospitalized means the case is reportable to OSHA, so they may very well get a visit and be forced to fix the issue anyway.

A push of a button caused the injury. Properly controlling the button would be a good place to start. This can be as simple as putting a lockable box over the button. Nothing about the machine would change, except that the button would be controlled.

Lots of machines are worked on while energized everyday; however they have controls or interlocks in place to prevent accidental activation of the hazard.


x2. There has to be a way to make this safe. If you don't force them to do it, they will leave it as is and someone else will get hurt or killed. I would think seriously about calling a lawyer and/or OSHA. They are in the area. This week, we just had a surprise visit and a fine for failure to lock out a machine that was no where near as dangerous as what you worked on. OSHA will not play with them. There has to be a way to make every job safe. If US is anything like the steel plants i worked in, someone has to make them do the right thing or it won't get done.

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04/16/14 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: BrotherTurtle
Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
Don't quit your job, talk to your employer and let them fix the problem. It is their responsibility. The fact that you were hospitalized means the case is reportable to OSHA, so they may very well get a visit and be forced to fix the issue anyway.

A push of a button caused the injury. Properly controlling the button would be a good place to start. This can be as simple as putting a lockable box over the button. Nothing about the machine would change, except that the button would be controlled.

Lots of machines are worked on while energized everyday; however they have controls or interlocks in place to prevent accidental activation of the hazard.


x2. There has to be a way to make this safe. If you don't force them to do it, they will leave it as is and someone else will get hurt or killed. I would think seriously about calling a lawyer and/or OSHA. They are in the area. This week, we just had a surprise visit and a fine for failure to lock out a machine that was no where near as dangerous as what you worked on. OSHA will not play with them. There has to be a way to make every job safe. If US is anything like the steel plants i worked in, someone has to make them do the right thing or it won't get done.


Very true. I used to work for a contractor (Brandenburg) at U.S. Steel - from what I saw while I was there, their only concern was production/$$$.


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