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Re: BSK
[Re: ridgestalker]
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03/16/14 04:17 AM
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Its not always about deciding whether you agree or disagree and then telling why. With people like BSK or Dr D…..sometimes you ought to just listen to what they say for the shear sake of broadening your perspective on a subject that someone else knows more about. It must be a male pride thing because it seems like many folks have an issue any time its perceived that someone else may know more than them or may be a better hunter, etc…Too many folks on here have taken the position that they already know everything there is to know about deer, food plotting, etc…and they’re very closed off to listening to anything new or different from what they already believe. If you take that stance then you’re sure to be left behind in your thinking. Our level of knowledge of almost any subject is constantly growing , changing, evolving,….. I think one of the reason they left is because it seems like there are a very low percentage of people who come here to really learn or educate themselves. That’s what I think both BSK and Dr D are really about. Helping to educate the general hunting public. There seems to be too few really here for that reason though and many aren’t open enough to be educated beyond anything they think they already know. The majority of the folks are hanging out at the General Forum keg party telling fart jokes and watching youtube… 
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Re: BSK
[Re: CNC]
#900967
03/16/14 04:32 AM
03/16/14 04:32 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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Right on CNC, it plainly states to leave the "goofy stuff" on the general forum on the Serious Forum heading. Just about everyone gets caught in it every now and then. But the name calling, piling on, closed minded I know it all, is what turns folks off here.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: BSK
[Re: NightHunter]
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03/16/14 07:43 AM
03/16/14 07:43 AM
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Coffee Co, AL
jlccoffee
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The above may be true for a lot of people but do you srgue with your doctor when he tells you why you are sick? Do you argue with the mechanic when he tells you why your engine has a knock? Do you argue with you lawyer when he tells you he can save your arse from trouble? I hazard to guess NO. So why is it that when a biologist that has studied and worked with deer (enter whatever species) for several years explains something, he all of a sudden doesn't know what he's talking about?  It's almost like you have to be accepted into the fold around here as a biologist to be taken seriously. The only two I've seen a lack of arguing with is Gobbler and Matt and that seems to be because they pick what topics they get in very carefully. It's a shame actually! I would enjoy more biological talk. With Doctors and mechanics, people are encouraged constantly to see a second opinion. It's not an insult to the Dr. or the mechanic, its just a good idea.
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Re: BSK
[Re: ridgestalker]
#901176
03/16/14 08:09 AM
03/16/14 08:09 AM
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Luverne, AL
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There is also the fact that they walk and talk deer biology all day long in their regular daily work. They have to take a break from doing that or else they would go insane. I dont talk much archaeology on here because I need a break from work. Doekiller doesnt like to talk law shop on here for the same reason. Toothdoc doesnt talk dentistry on here to often for the same reason.
Also, talking shop on the internet gets frustrating because these little chat boxes are never enough to fully explain everything.
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Re: BSK
[Re: CNC]
#901705
03/16/14 03:52 PM
03/16/14 03:52 PM
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Holly Pond, AL
NightHunter
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Its not always about deciding whether you agree or disagree and then telling why. With people like BSK or Dr D…..sometimes you ought to just listen to what they say for the shear sake of broadening your perspective on a subject that someone else knows more about. It must be a male pride thing because it seems like many folks have an issue any time its perceived that someone else may know more than them or may be a better hunter, etc…Too many folks on here have taken the position that they already know everything there is to know about deer, food plotting, etc…and they’re very closed off to listening to anything new or different from what they already believe. If you take that stance then you’re sure to be left behind in your thinking. Our level of knowledge of almost any subject is constantly growing , changing, evolving,…..
^^^ This is what I'm talking about though. Not getting second opinions. A second opinion would come from another biologist/professional not yourself or your buddy because y'all know better because you have been doing it 20 years. The above is the more common stance whether folks want to admit it or not. I'm just saying the profession seems to get little respect from hunters for some reason.
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Re: BSK
[Re: CNC]
#901859
03/17/14 01:27 AM
03/17/14 01:27 AM
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Moss Creek
Gotcha1
Bright Eyes
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Its not always about deciding whether you agree or disagree and then telling why. With people like BSK or Dr D…..sometimes you ought to just listen to what they say for the shear sake of broadening your perspective on a subject that someone else knows more about. It must be a male pride thing because it seems like many folks have an issue any time its perceived that someone else may know more than them or may be a better hunter, etc…Too many folks on here have taken the position that they already know everything there is to know about deer, food plotting, etc…and they’re very closed off to listening to anything new or different from what they already believe. If you take that stance then you’re sure to be left behind in your thinking. Our level of knowledge of almost any subject is constantly growing , changing, evolving,….. I think one of the reason they left is because it seems like there are a very low percentage of people who come here to really learn or educate themselves. That’s what I think both BSK and Dr D are really about. Helping to educate the general hunting public. There seems to be too few really here for that reason though and many aren’t open enough to be educated beyond anything they think they already know. The majority of the folks are hanging out at the General Forum keg party telling fart jokes and watching youtube… I completely agree CNC. If somebody wants to ask a follow up question, do it. After that, question what you want, but don't keep beating these folks to death. I have found out a lot from these guys (maybe I was ignorant to start with.) I disagree with them at times, but it is in relation to my own experiences and how I see them. We've all pretty much come to the agreement that things are a little different all over the state. Their line of work at least is scientific. BTW, when is it wrong for someone in their business to express their own opinion? If we want to argue with each other, have at it, but leave these folks alone. They are the basis for lots of folks to tune in. And this includes lots of lurkers. IMO 
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Re: BSK
[Re: Gotcha1]
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03/17/14 03:07 AM
03/17/14 03:07 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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What's unique about BSK is he hunts and mangages his own property and does research gathering there. I found many of the same things he observed and proved, I have been seeing for years as well, confirming many of my own suspicions and theories. He is taking it down to where "the rubber meets the road" so to speak. Not only info to help you grow them , but help you kill them as well.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: BSK
[Re: 2Dogs]
#901957
03/17/14 03:29 AM
03/17/14 03:29 AM
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Posts: 5,703
Lincoln, Alabama
blumsden
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What's unique about BSK is he hunts and mangages his own property and does research gathering there. I found many of the same things he observed and proved, I have been seeing for years as well, confirming many of my own suspicions and theories. He is taking it down to where "the rubber meets the road" so to speak. Not only info to help you grow them , but help you kill them as well. 2dogs, That's exactly what i found as well. He was one of the first to tell me, that our deer were not going to act like midwest deer. In his opinion, midwest deer should be a different subspecies, than our deer. They just don't act the same. I thought, finally, someone with a plaque on the wall that, enforces the same idea's that i've had for years.
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Re: BSK
[Re: ridgestalker]
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03/17/14 03:50 AM
03/17/14 03:50 AM
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Alabama Wetumpka
Talltines
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Alabama Wetumpka
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Arguing can Be a good thing for both sides. We sometimes get stuck in our own point of view and then that one guy will argue with use and If your not to bull headed it might just help you. The problem most people have with Biologist is they are telling us what to do and have never stepped foot on our land so it is hard to take there info but it is always smart to listen to them and take bits and pieces that will work on your land. No one person is right when it comes to Deer. Especially when every piece of property is different. So it is always good to get other Point of Views.
Your Doctor doesn't tell you what is wrong with you over the phone he has to look at you and run test And they are always practicing. Deer Management will always be a Practicing method that will keep on evolving. Matt Brock and I have gotten into it a couple of times but I will always listen to his opinion. And hopefully we can always learn from other Opinions. It is a shame that other Biologist have left but I can understand. We do argue but sometimes that is the only way some people can learn.
Hunting Is my Obsession, My Passion, My Everything, Oh so is my wife.
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Re: BSK
[Re: blumsden]
#902115
03/17/14 05:32 AM
03/17/14 05:32 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Round ‘bout there
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He was one of the first to tell me, that our deer were not going to act like midwest deer. In his opinion, midwest deer should be a different subspecies, than our deer. They just don't act the same. I thought, finally, someone with a plaque on the wall that, enforces the same idea's that i've had for years. I agree with this. I've talked with folks in the upper Midwest who think we're kinda nuts for hunting the mornings because their deer move primarily in the afternoon. Deer in south Florida breed in July and August. "The Rut" in Iowa typically can be pinpointed on specific dates - be there or be square. Deer in Montana and Wyoming and maybe the Dakotas are different whitetails than the lower midwest, IMO. They're different and adaptable and cool.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: BSK
[Re: ridgestalker]
#902145
03/17/14 05:52 AM
03/17/14 05:52 AM
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Posts: 2,858
Florida
jacannon
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Biologist don't always agree with each other either.
Grandma said...Always keep a gun close at hand, you just never know when you might run across some varmint that needs killing...
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Re: BSK
[Re: jacannon]
#904245
03/18/14 02:22 PM
03/18/14 02:22 PM
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Posts: 6,999
Holly Pond, AL
NightHunter
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Biologist don't always agree with each other either. And never will. Texas biologists always disagree with the rest of us but hey, everything is different in Texas.
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Re: BSK
[Re: ridgestalker]
#909655
03/23/14 04:45 AM
03/23/14 04:45 AM
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Posts: 4,713
War Eagle, USA
Bucktrot
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I had a very well noted biologist once tell me that if you want to see a heated argument... put a bunch of biologists in a room and get them to talking.
There is a lot to be said about education, studies, etc... and you can't discount the knowledge base foundation that has resulted from hundreds (more than that) of thousands of research hours.
Some hunters are quick to discount biologists and knowledge-base but the average person has no clue about the DETAILED, ABSOLUTE, mind-blowing, painstaking scientific approach (i.e. P-vales) to detail of how research studies and data are collected and analyzed.
People have to be willing to accept and appreciate research and education but at the same time, integrate common sense, personal experiences, etc... and mesh them together.
It's hard to sometimes understand biologists' perspective but their approach and consideration or opinion of whatever it may be, is (usually) "foundation-based" and not because they've been sitting in a shooting house every deer season for 30 years.
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Re: BSK
[Re: Bucktrot]
#937290
04/18/14 05:12 AM
04/18/14 05:12 AM
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Posts: 1,239
Auburn University
Steve Ditchkoff
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Hey everyone. Interesting discussion.  I can't speak for BSK or anyone else, but I think that the suspicions that people posted on here pretty much sum up why I haven't been around. 1. Super busy 2. It gets frustrating at times...pretty much for the reasons that were listed. I don't think any of us expects everyone to agree with us on everything. We as scientists are trained to question, second-guess, etc. That is science, and so I'm OK with it when my thoughts and ideas are questioned. But, when it's taken to a personal level, it gets frustrating. Hopefully I can find some time to start getting on now and again. I enjoyed sharing thoughts and ideas with people on here...and it gives me a good perspective on what hunters in Alabama are thinking. Until then....
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Re: BSK
[Re: ridgestalker]
#937293
04/18/14 05:14 AM
04/18/14 05:14 AM
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Posts: 32,451
North Alabama
YEKRUT
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Welcome back Steve! Glad to have you
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: BSK
[Re: ridgestalker]
#937553
04/18/14 08:53 AM
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Moss Creek
Gotcha1
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Thanks, Steve. Appreciate seeing you again.
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Re: BSK
[Re: NightHunter]
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04/19/14 11:58 AM
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[quote=NightHunter The only two I've seen a lack of arguing with is Gobbler and Matt and that seems to be because they pick what topics they get in very carefully. It's a shame actually! I would enjoy more biological talk. [/quote] 1, you must have missed a lot of the posts in the Turkey forum  2, I always thought the only biologist that was rarely argued with was u!! Disagreement is not the prob. While there are egos, especially associated with this field, investment in education and career time, but when things get personL, nasty, or persistent it gets tiresome. Most of the time I simply don't think it is worth typing. I get paid for my opinion, I don't give it for free easily.
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