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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #112930
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Hey just wanted to update you guys on my case. I still have court date set for May 13th.

However just wanted everyone to know that I have been contacted by two different state senators.

Before this case is over. We will get rid of this stupid law.

Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #112941
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What did they have to say rob?



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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: Southwood7] #113002
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they just wanted to here my story. both agreed that the law is written wrong. and that only honest people can be fined for it.

Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #113016
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Keep in mind that the Hunter's Digest that you were given does not contain the rules you are charged you with breaking. It is a poor substitute for the pamphlet required by law that the DCNR does not abide by.

My recent request to Commissioner Guy for the law pamphlet mentioned in the Regulation Book as being published separately has gone unanswered. You have been deprived of a pamphlet that is required by law when the commissioner makes rules. The purpose of that pamphlet is to combine all rules and laws together in order to avoid the confusion that you encountered.

Bear in mind also that the rule you are charged with breaking was approved by the CAB in it's third regular meeting that year. The law states there shall be semiannual regular meetings of the CAB.

If you have to follow a rule to the letter, make sure that rule was passed following the letter of the law. 220-2-146 wasn't.

I wish you the best. Fighting these nit-picking tickets is a necessary evil hunters face these days unfortunately.

Eddie



This e-mail was sent 3/7/11. I have not recieved a reply.

Quote:
N. Gunter Guy, Jr.

Commissioner of Conservation



Dear Mr. Guy,



The Alabama Regulations 2010-2011 Game, Fish, and Fur Bearing Animals states that the

pamphlet required by the Code of Alabama 1975, Section 9-2-8 is being published in separate

pamphlets. I have been unsuccessful in my requests at the Department of Conservation to obtain

the pamphlet that contains the laws relating to game and fish.



I have asked for the pamphlet at Division III headquarters and at the main office in Montgomery.

Could you please furnish me with a copy of the pamphlet containing the laws relating to game

and fish that is required by Code of Alabama 1975, Section 9-2-8 and referred to in the regulation

book.



I have also been unsuccessful in finding the rules that apply to dog deer hunting permits in either

the Code of Alabama or the Alabama Regulations 2010-2011 Game, Fish, and Fur Bearing Animals

pamphlet. The permits are referred to as “special permits” in the hunting schedules. Please send me

a copy of all the rules that apply to those “special permits” for dog deer hunting.







Sincerely,



Eddie H. Maxwell







Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: mission] #113402
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Originally Posted By: mission
I've remained out of this until now. This post crossed the line with me.

You've declared 99% of Alabama Game Wardens are assholes...including my father, many friends...including B'ham Fred (Troy), and many other good officers.



No offense to your father and Troy, but most of the ones I know and know of are lazy and have egos the size of Alaska.

KNowing more than my share of folks personally who work inside DCNR's all over the U.S., I find it funny how much I hear this same thing from them.

In fairness, I've also met some really professional wardens also who did their job well and acted like a mature adult while doing so. We had a very good one in Colbert Co for many years. I had two awesome GW"s in my county up in TN. I think the two new ones do a lot of their 40 hours at home and they sure don't like returning calls.










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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #113409
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I personally take no offense to his statement. Just look at who said it....

Besides, If ya pushed me enough, I could be a REAL ass. I can give ya a list of names, all convicted violators, who don't like me even a lil bit.

troy


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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: BhamFred] #113462
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For the record:

I have lived and hunted and fished in both Jefferson County and Tuscloosa County for more than 50 years. I have never had a problem with any game warden in either county. Troy was a game warden here, and I have respect for him both as an officer and a gentleman.

I do have problems with some of the laws and rules they are expected to administer.

Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: BhamFred] #113967
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
I personally take no offense to his statement. Just look at who said it....

Besides, If ya pushed me enough, I could be a REAL ass. I can give ya a list of names, all convicted violators, who don't like me even a lil bit.

troy


You think you'd be tough, Troy...lol...I'd kick a fellows ass if he said it to my father's face.

Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #116726
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I sold out and settled with the DA, after letters to the Chief, the Commissioner, and to my state reps.

The DA called and made me an offer I could not refuse. $50.00 no court cost.

So yes I am guilty of 220-2-146. sorry guys

Oh and by the way. The proper fine for this Reg is 50.00 and court cost. That is from the Chief's mouth.

My Game Warden and her Capt. wanted 500.00 plus court cost.

Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #116739
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I cant blame you for that man. Sucks you had to stress about it for all this time though. The deer you killed that brought this on was the best AL buck I know of from the 2010-11 season,and it was ridiculous that some ass with a badge that obviously only half-understood the inane reg she was enforcing was able to taint your experience. Either way - its over, you've still got an awesome deer, and maybe now you can help get the reg changed.

On another note...whats the deal with the fine amounts? How can they not know how much the "violation" warrants. A $450 discrepancy sounds absurd...glad you got out of most of it.

Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #116742
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Well the DA says that the Officer makes a request to the judge on how much the fine is. However Chief Address said that $50.00 is the proper amount for her to ask for. Plus Court Cost of course. So I guess She and her Capt. were kinda out there own there own asking for such a big fine.

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maybe somebody fat-fingered an extra 0 for that suggested fine turning 50 into 500. those guys mostly email each other about those types of things.


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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: robgillaspie] #116776
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It is my understanding that the charges have been dropped. the $50.00 is court cost. So I guess I am not guilty. Whatever!!!

Just glad it is over.

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If the charges are dropped, you shouldn't have to pay court costs. If you did, they would be charging people with stuff all the time just to collect court costs.


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maybe you are right I really don't know, I have not gone down there yet. I was just called by the DA. Either way, this was the cheapiest way out for me. Pay $50.00 or Pay a lawyer, which I have not done yet.

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Driveby, I've seem courts drop charges and still collect full court costs plenty of times. Ain't right, but it does happen. Seems like if charges are dropped then there is no court costs but lots of judges don't do it that way.

troy


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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: BibbCounty] #117309
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Real Marines; adapt, overcome, and improvise but they never whine. The only question the judge asks is guilty or not guilty. On this forum you already plead guilty. Just ingnorant of the law. My advice is to Marine up pay the court cost and the 50.00 fine and move on. There is no reason to sound like the guy in the wholesale car.com commercial saying why, why, why me.
Lets get back to talking about deer hunting...
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching [Re: Realmarine] #117330
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I don't think Rob said anything about being a marine.

I wouldn't call protesting a citation for violating a rule under the current circumstances whining either. His protests are valid.

Being a marine is an honarable thing, but it doesn't give your opinion any more validity that his opinion, or mine. I am one of the last draftees of the U.S. Army and served during the Vietnam era, not that it makes any difference.

I think Rob's citation is a gross injustice given the total circumstances of the rule, it's implementation, and it's advertisement.

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Originally Posted By: Realmarine
Real Marines; adapt, overcome, and improvise but they never whine. The only question the judge asks is guilty or not guilty. On this forum you already plead guilty. Just ingnorant of the law. My advice is to Marine up pay the court cost and the 50.00 fine and move on. There is no reason to sound like the guy in the wholesale car.com commercial saying why, why, why me.
Lets get back to talking about deer hunting...
SEMPER FI


Seriously???



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Originally Posted By: Southwood7
Originally Posted By: Realmarine
Real Marines; adapt, overcome, and improvise but they never whine. The only question the judge asks is guilty or not guilty. On this forum you already plead guilty. Just ingnorant of the law. My advice is to Marine up pay the court cost and the 50.00 fine and move on. There is no reason to sound like the guy in the wholesale car.com commercial saying why, why, why me.
Lets get back to talking about deer hunting...
SEMPER FI


Seriously???


I doubt it. 1st post? Some moderator having fun.


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