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Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
#85703
02/03/11 09:24 AM
02/03/11 09:24 AM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 307 boaz, al
robgillaspie
OP
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OP
4 point
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 307
boaz, al
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On monday Dec 20, 2010 I killed a deer that I had been hunting since the season started. I put out camera's before the season and got pictures of this deer in early OCT. On tuesday Dec 21, 2010 I had this deer at my place of business in the middle of town letting all my friends look at it. On the evening before when I was getting ready to move the deer I completed the harvest record that I was given when I bought my Lic. About 12pm on tuesday my buddies and I watched the GW drive by my car lot several times. My friend Brian told me that the GW was looking for me. So we sat there and waited till SHE found me. OFFICER DEBRA DIXON. She pulled up in front of the building got out and I immediately walked over to her. She asked who's truck that was. She ask who's deer that was. I told her that both were mine. She went over and looked a my deer. Ask for my LIC and Harvest record. I gave them to her. She immediately told me that I was in violation.
I had my lic. and I had the piece of paper that walmart gives out THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE TO BUY A LIC.
Well I filled out the wrong one. And that meant I had a dup.
So I was in violation. NOT the reg states that I have to being doing this for the purpose of avoiding the requirements of this regulation.
I CLEARLY WAS NOT. THERE WERE 15 PEOPLE THERE LOOKING AT THIS DEER. 2 NEWSPAPERS HAD CAME AND WROTE A STORY ON IT. I HAD IT OUT IN PLAN SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.
Yes I made a mistake. But I was not in violation. If I had been trying to get out of writing it down. I would have just given her the dup. and told her I was hunting on my own land. Or I would have told her that I killed it in another state. Which I have Lic in 3 other states.
I told the simple honest truth. And she found a reason to ticket me.
I will be going to court. And I will be asking for a Jury Trail. And I will find out if She is on Commission.
Oh and for all of you that think I deserve this ticket. If you have a hunting pamplet with you or in your truck. YOU HAVE A DUP. HARVEST RECORD.
SHE SCREWED UP ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE. I HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING. I TWO AM A VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORP. 6 YEARS 2 WARS.
I AM STARTING TO HAVE DISRESPECT FOR OUR GW'S
Last edited by robgillaspie; 02/03/11 09:32 AM.
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85709
02/03/11 09:29 AM
02/03/11 09:29 AM
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Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 972 Shelby County
BibbCounty
6 point
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6 point
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Posts: 972
Shelby County
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On monday Dec 20, 2010 I killed a deer that I had been hunting since the season started. I put out camera's before the season and got pictures of this deer in early OCT. On tuesday Dec 21, 2010 I had this deer at my place of business in the middle of town letting all my friends look at it. On the evening before when I was getting ready to move the deer I completed the harvest record that I was given when I bought my Lic. About 12pm on tuesday my buddies and I watched the GW drive by my car lot several times. My friend Brian told me that the GW was looking for me. So we sat there and waited till SHE found me. OFFICER DEBRA DIXON. She pulled up in front of the building got out and I immediately walked over to her. She asked who's truck that was. She ask who's deer that was. I told her that both were mine. She went over and looked a my deer. Ask for my LIC and Harvest record. I gave them to her. She immediately told me that I was in violation.
I had my lic. and I had the piece of paper that walmart gives out THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE TO BUY A LIC.
Well I filled out the wrong one. And that meant I had a dup.
So I was in violation. NOT the reg states that I have to being doing this for the purpose of avoiding the requirements of this regulation.
I CLEARLY WAS NOT. THERE WERE 15 PEOPLE THERE LOOKING AT THIS DEER. 2 NEWSPAPERS HAD CAME AND WROTE A STORY ON IT. I HAD IT OUT IN PLAN SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.
Yes I made a mistake. But I was not in violation. If I had been trying to get out of writing it down. I would have just given her the dup. and told her I was hunting on my own land. Or I would have told her that I killed it in another state. Which I have Lic in 3 other states.
I told the simple honest truth. And she found a reason to ticket me.
I will be going to court. And I will be asking for a Jury Trail. And I will find out if She is on Commission. Stuff like that pisses me off, Most people that hunt and fish are good people, Wardens should not be looking for a reason to give a ticket to an honest person for a honest mistake. However, if we had tags that had to be fixed to the antlers it would eliminate alot of this confusion.
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85718
02/03/11 09:34 AM
02/03/11 09:34 AM
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Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,181 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Posts: 36,181
alabama
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fact: you were in violation by having TWO harvest records fact: you cannot get a jury trial in District Court. You can plead not guilty and a Judge will decide a verdict. If guilty you can appeal the case to Circuit Court and ask for a jury trial. You can skip the District Court trial by "stipulating to the facts" to the DC Judge and appealing the case right off. fact: "she" is NOT on commission, no GW is.
I'd a thought a warning would of got the job done there, but I wasn't there either so my opinion dosent count.
troy
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: BhamFred]
#85720
02/03/11 09:38 AM
02/03/11 09:38 AM
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 33,437 Your mom’s house
doekiller
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 33,437
Your mom’s house
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fact: you were in violation by having TWO harvest records fact: you cannot get a jury trial in District Court. You can plead not guilty and a Judge will decide a verdict. If guilty you can appeal the case to Circuit Court and ask for a jury trial. You can skip the District Court trial by "stipulating to the facts" to the DC Judge and appealing the case right off. fact: "she" is NOT on commission, no GW is.
I'd a thought a warning would of got the job done there, but I wasn't there either so my opinion dosent count.
troy This man knows what he is talking about.
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85756
02/03/11 10:01 AM
02/03/11 10:01 AM
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Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,181 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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alabama
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Yea Fred, I guess by the letter of the law I was in violation. But by the spirit of the Law I was not. And If you read the law. I was not in violation. It clearly states that I have to be doing this to avoid the requirements of this reg. READ IT. I have read em for a living..... read it yerself, this time slower, and up yer reading comprehension..... it is a violation to POSSESS two harvest records...period. You were in violation of this part. it is a violation to provide false information in order to circumvent the requirements of the regulation...from what LITTLE I personally know of this incident it dosen't look to me like you tried to circumvent the regulation. I'd a felt a warning would of worked here. troy
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85769
02/03/11 10:10 AM
02/03/11 10:10 AM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,048 Sylacauga
doecommander
things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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things that make you go hmmmmmmm
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,048
Sylacauga
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FACT: WARDENS ARE A-HOLES. FACT: WARDENS LIKE WRITING TICKETS FACT: WARDENS MAKE MISTAKES FACT: SOME WARDENS ARE GOOD FACT: FINDING A GOOD WARDEN IS VERY HARD IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE
doecommander out...........................
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: BibbCounty]
#85782
02/03/11 10:25 AM
02/03/11 10:25 AM
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Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,148 Ramer
ronfromramer
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Posts: 4,148
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On monday Dec 20, 2010 I killed a deer that I had been hunting since the season started. I put out camera's before the season and got pictures of this deer in early OCT. On tuesday Dec 21, 2010 I had this deer at my place of business in the middle of town letting all my friends look at it. On the evening before when I was getting ready to move the deer I completed the harvest record that I was given when I bought my Lic. About 12pm on tuesday my buddies and I watched the GW drive by my car lot several times. My friend Brian told me that the GW was looking for me. So we sat there and waited till SHE found me. OFFICER DEBRA DIXON. She pulled up in front of the building got out and I immediately walked over to her. She asked who's truck that was. She ask who's deer that was. I told her that both were mine. She went over and looked a my deer. Ask for my LIC and Harvest record. I gave them to her. She immediately told me that I was in violation.
I had my lic. and I had the piece of paper that walmart gives out THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE TO BUY A LIC.
Well I filled out the wrong one. And that meant I had a dup.
So I was in violation. NOT the reg states that I have to being doing this for the purpose of avoiding the requirements of this regulation.
I CLEARLY WAS NOT. THERE WERE 15 PEOPLE THERE LOOKING AT THIS DEER. 2 NEWSPAPERS HAD CAME AND WROTE A STORY ON IT. I HAD IT OUT IN PLAN SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.
Yes I made a mistake. But I was not in violation. If I had been trying to get out of writing it down. I would have just given her the dup. and told her I was hunting on my own land. Or I would have told her that I killed it in another state. Which I have Lic in 3 other states.
I told the simple honest truth. And she found a reason to ticket me.
I will be going to court. And I will be asking for a Jury Trail. And I will find out if She is on Commission. Stuff like that pisses me off, Most people that hunt and fish are good people, Wardens should not be looking for a reason to give a ticket to an honest person for a honest mistake. However, if we had tags that had to be fixed to the antlers it would eliminate alot of this confusion. I've been saying that since they started that joke of a "tagging system". It's unenforcable and only applies to the ethical, honest hunters that make every effort to obey all laws.
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85821
02/03/11 11:09 AM
02/03/11 11:09 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,352 Kennedy, al
globe
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,352
Kennedy, al
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It sounds as though you were trying to do the right thing. I hope if I'm ever in that situation, I get stopped by Andy instead of Barney. You broke the law and she felt the need to enforce it to an extreme. I hope you win!
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85863
02/03/11 12:13 PM
02/03/11 12:13 PM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,100 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,100
Sylacauga, AL
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So sorry to hear about this. I've said it before, but the only people this law will ever catch is a guy that makes a mistake in his paperwork. The real outlaw can easily figure out how to get around it. One of the main reasons I wanted the Barbour Co rule instead of a limit was that it would avoid situations like this. But that ship has sailed, and now we have the criminals still killing all the bucks they want, and a few honest guys that make a paperwork mistake get a ticket.:(
Last edited by poorcountrypreacher; 02/03/11 12:14 PM.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85894
02/03/11 01:13 PM
02/03/11 01:13 PM
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Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 595 St. Clair, Alabama
Bucky205
4 point
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Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 595
St. Clair, Alabama
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...because we all know that only the guilty and people with bad moral judgment end up in court or come in contact with the wildlife officials.
Keep drinking that Kool-aid.
Sorry for the issues your having, I am also battling a run in with a biologist.
"There are no easy days, not even yesterday"
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: globe]
#85902
02/03/11 01:31 PM
02/03/11 01:31 PM
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Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,860 dothan
eskimo270
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10 point
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,860
dothan
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It sounds as though you were trying to do the right thing. I hope if I'm ever in that situation, I get stopped by Andy instead of Barney. You broke the law and she felt the need to enforce it to an extreme. I hope you win!
thats the key, getting checked by those with good judgement. I have found in most cases when dealing with women in a position of authority, they push things to extremes...kinda like Barney.
Super Predator
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: Dquailhunter]
#85944
02/03/11 02:38 PM
02/03/11 02:38 PM
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Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,363 Montgomery
WmHunter
14 point
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14 point
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Posts: 8,363
Montgomery
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So you are telling me that because I keep my state regs book in my truck with the harvest record and the one that comes with the license in my wallet that I am in violation of the law? Well in that case I figure about 95% of us are in violation without even knowing it.Seems like that is sorda being set up for a ticket.If that is the case I believe the one in the book should not be in there. ok, this is why we need clarification here, because neither the original post nor any of the follow up posts are clear on **exactly* WHAT TWO PIECES/ITEMS OF PAPER the victim ( Mr. Gillaspie) was charged with being in possession of! It kind of sounds like the two pieces of paper were the one attached to the license when the license is purchased and another harvest record like the one that can be printed off the DCNR website and copied. Will someone make this perfectly completely clear please! I cannot imagine that anyone would be or could ever be charged with being in possession of two harvest records where one of them is the small magazine style reg. book handed out for free at WalMart that has a sample harvest record form on one of the pages??????
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Re: Charged with 220-2-146 I guess since we are bitching
[Re: robgillaspie]
#85960
02/03/11 02:56 PM
02/03/11 02:56 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,953 Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Round ‘bout there
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Sounds like one problem was listening to the person who works at Walmart.
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