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Church Of The Highlands and Bills beef with Joel Osteen #854456
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We went to COTH in Auburn today for the first time. I was raised in a small town southern baptist church so I was a little skeptical about the big crowd, simulcasted service, and contemporary music. But we absolutely loved it, the message was spot on, everyone was very nice and accommodating and I really enjoyed the music. If you have been thinking about going to one the services I highly recommend it.

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Not sure I can get used to it. Too much dancing and chanting for me.

Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #854470
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Love COTH. Great music and the sermons are great. Pastor Chris is doing something right. Its one of the fastest growing churches in the US


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #854475
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To each is own but going in that is what I thought too, but I did not get that impression at all. Like I said I grew up baptist,so of coarse we sat on the back row,so there may have been some dancing going on up front that I didn't see. It was kind of like a lot of people singing along to more modern hymns.


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #854502
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I've heard the worship service is great. The problem I would have is that none of their satellite churches have Sunday school. That is the biggest part of spiritual growth, in my opinion. It is where your personal fellowship happens and where a open dialogue takes place. If you are missing Sunday school you aren't even getting half of what a church should be, in my opinion.


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Originally Posted By: bill
I've heard the worship service is great. The problem I would have is that none of their satellite churches have Sunday school. That is the biggest part of spiritual growth, in my opinion. It is where your personal fellowship happens and where a open dialogue takes place. If you are missing Sunday school you aren't even getting half of what a church should be, in my opinion.


There are small groups that take the place of sunday school. You sign up in a group and meet once a week off campus


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: BigDalk] #854546
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Originally Posted By: BigDalk
Originally Posted By: bill
I've heard the worship service is great. The problem I would have is that none of their satellite churches have Sunday school. That is the biggest part of spiritual growth, in my opinion. It is where your personal fellowship happens and where a open dialogue takes place. If you are missing Sunday school you aren't even getting half of what a church should be, in my opinion.


Cool. I wasn't aware of that.

There are small groups that take the place of sunday school. You sign up in a group and meet once a week off campus


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Both my daughters attend the Tuscaloosa campus. It was real hard for my wife & me to see them leave our small, rural Southern Baptist church where they both were saved & baptized.

I can't explain to anyone how hard it was. frown

I'm just thankful that they are both faithful to still being in church. thumbup


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #854573
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That's where my family and I go and I love that church. I received a text this morning from my wife while I was in the woods. (I took my son duck/pig hunting this weekend.) She said that I must watch (on computer) today's sermon by Chris when I get home. So, I guess I'll be watching it later tonight.

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Have friends that attend COTH.... great Church. We attend the "Healing Place" off Deerfoot Pkwy in Trussville and it has served us well. Come see us !

Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #854722
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Please dont take this the wrong way, but I don't know this church, and I attend a somewhat larger church in my area, but I often wonder at some of the places I have been and seen, would jesus actually be welcomed there, also would he want to be there. Just random thoughts I have from time to time. Finding a church home is much harder than finding a home to live in. One thing I use as a litmus test is what is the church doing outside the building. sorry didnt mean to highjack.

Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #854737
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As a former southern baptist staff member I can tell you Jesus would be happy to have the money changers any day. I have had preachers tell people they needed to wear suits, deacons FORBID me from inviting black kids in our parking lot into Sunday School and deacons being elected due to their social status and not their love for Christ. Don't get me started. All if these churches just happen to be traditional ol' fashion churches. If they don't teach all of God's word, don't teach God as just, and don't teach how deep God's love is then you need to leave.


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #854741
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My wife and I love church of the highlands. It is a big church and sometimes that can be intimidating. We have not yet joined a small group but plan to. We go to the riverchase campus and have been for a few years. Highlands is very involved with the community of Birmingham, with the dream center as well as other things. That's one of the many reasons we are proud to call it home.

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The one thing I have noticed in todays society is that churches and preachers are not preaching a bloody gospel anymore.They are preaching success in life and monetary prosperity.I dont know anything about the church that has been mentioned but if it is preaching Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and risen from the dead I'm all for it.The Bible says that in the last days that we would heap ear ticklers to ourselves .Thats what is making alot of the preacher-teachers famous today is that they are telling us what we WANT to hear not what we NEED to hear.Joel Osteen is a prime example.He is a great guy I'm sure but he is preaching-teaching in the wrong direction.Just my two cents FWIW


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: scoutmaster] #854757
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[quote=scoutmaster]Please dont take this the wrong way, but I don't know this church, and I attend a somewhat larger church in my area, but I often wonder at some of the places I have been and seen, would jesus actually be welcomed there, also would he want to be there. Just random thoughts I have from time to time. Finding a church home is much harder than finding a home to live in. One thing I use as a litmus test is what is the church doing outside the building. sorry didnt mean to highjack.[/
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You're right. The church I attend now is fairly large. Probably 800 in late service this morning. The whole reason I joined was not because of the preacher or the music or the facilities but it was because I could see the love and sense of caring that they had for each other. There are no financial cliques and the church is the cornerstone of our community. They provide many meals, clothes and much more, to the poor in our city. I'm thankful for God leading me there but just know that God will never put you somewhere that you can't find a good church to worship in. Be diligent and don't settle until you know you are where you are supposed to be.


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: OcToBeRDrEaMiN67] #854764
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The one thing I have noticed in todays society is that churches and preachers are not preaching a bloody gospel anymore.They are preaching success in life and monetary prosperity.I dont know anything about the church that has been mentioned but if it is preaching Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and risen from the dead I'm all for it.The Bible says that in the last days that we would heap ear ticklers to ourselves .Thats what is making alot of the preacher-teachers famous today is that they are telling us what we WANT to hear not what we NEED to hear.Joel Osteen is a prime example.He is a great guy I'm sure but he is preaching-teaching in the wrong direction.Just my two cents FWIW


This is all in part from the "everyone gets a blue ribbon and ice cream, and don't say bad things about anyone."

Some old fashioned hell, fire and brimstone likely would be "oh, too harsh!" in some of today's rock 'n roll services.

But at least folks are hearing something, and options still exist in our nation to attend where you wish.


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: OcToBeRDrEaMiN67] #854770
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Originally Posted By: OcToBeRDrEaMiN67
The one thing I have noticed in todays society is that churches and preachers are not preaching a bloody gospel anymore.They are preaching success in life and monetary prosperity.I dont know anything about the church that has been mentioned but if it is preaching Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and risen from the dead I'm all for it.The Bible says that in the last days that we would heap ear ticklers to ourselves .Thats what is making alot of the preacher-teachers famous today is that they are telling us what we WANT to hear not what we NEED to hear.Joel Osteen is a prime example.He is a great guy I'm sure but he is preaching-teaching in the wrong direction.Just my two cents FWIW


X2. Joel Osteen , TD Jakes and Benny Hinn are preaching a prosperity gospel or name it and claim it. Very dangerous and they corrupt the Word Of God. Preaching that caters to the notion that everything is about us and that God wants to give us all kinds of worldly goods if we just submit and ask, is false and damning teaching. God doesn't promise us worldly comfort and material possessions if we follow him. In fact he says we will face persecution and hardships while we are in the world. I wouldn't want to be any of this false teachers come judgement day.


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I bet more people come to know Christ in one service at COTH than the little hell fire and brimstone church does all year. If you enjoy monotone singing to an organ than good for you. I like concert quality music with hands in the air praising Jesus. I feel the presence of God more than i did in any other church i have visited.


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Originally Posted By: bill

Originally Posted By: OcToBeRDrEaMiN67
The one thing I have noticed in todays society is that churches and preachers are not preaching a bloody gospel anymore.They are preaching success in life and monetary prosperity.I dont know anything about the church that has been mentioned but if it is preaching Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and risen from the dead I'm all for it.The Bible says that in the last days that we would heap ear ticklers to ourselves .Thats what is making alot of the preacher-teachers famous today is that they are telling us what we WANT to hear not what we NEED to hear.Joel Osteen is a prime example.He is a great guy I'm sure but he is preaching-teaching in the wrong direction.Just my two cents FWIW


X2. Joel Osteen , TD Jakes and Benny Hinn are preaching a prosperity gospel or name it and claim it. Very dangerous and they corrupt the Word Of God. Preaching that caters to the notion that everything is about us and that God wants to give us all kinds of worldly goods if we just submit and ask, is false and damning teaching. God doesn't promise us worldly comfort and material possessions if we follow him. In fact he says we will face persecution and hardships while we are in the world. I wouldn't want to be any of this false teachers come judgement day.


Don't be so fast to condemn any minister lest you be the one judged. There is a reason that Jesus paid the awesome price that he did and it involves a lot more than living a broken life on this earth and enduring until you die. Yes, some have corrupted the prosperity message both in teaching and in hearing but that doesn't make it any less true.

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Originally Posted By: BigDalk
I bet more people come to know Christ in one service at COTH than the little hell fire and brimstone church does all year. If you enjoy monotone singing to an organ than good for you. I like concert quality music with hands in the air praising Jesus. I feel the presence of God more than i did in any other church i have visited.


You might be right and I haven't heard a bad thing about coth but true salvation comes from hearing the Gospel and heading the call of God to accept Christ and repent. There are hundreds that walk the aisle at Joel Osteens church every week but the message that brings them down the aisle is one that is false and damning. My sister goes to COTH in Montgomery so I'm sure the doctrine is sound, or at least I hope it is.


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: R_H_Clark] #854890
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Originally Posted By: bill

Originally Posted By: OcToBeRDrEaMiN67
The one thing I have noticed in todays society is that churches and preachers are not preaching a bloody gospel anymore.They are preaching success in life and monetary prosperity.I dont know anything about the church that has been mentioned but if it is preaching Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and risen from the dead I'm all for it.The Bible says that in the last days that we would heap ear ticklers to ourselves .Thats what is making alot of the preacher-teachers famous today is that they are telling us what we WANT to hear not what we NEED to hear.Joel Osteen is a prime example.He is a great guy I'm sure but he is preaching-teaching in the wrong direction.Just my two cents FWIW


X2. Joel Osteen , TD Jakes and Benny Hinn are preaching a prosperity gospel or name it and claim it. Very dangerous and they corrupt the Word Of God. Preaching that caters to the notion that everything is about us and that God wants to give us all kinds of worldly goods if we just submit and ask, is false and damning teaching. God doesn't promise us worldly comfort and material possessions if we follow him. In fact he says we will face persecution and hardships while we are in the world. I wouldn't want to be any of this false teachers come judgement day.


Don't be so fast to condemn any minister lest you be the one judged. There is a reason that Jesus paid the awesome price that he did and it involves a lot more than living a broken life on this earth and enduring until you die. Yes, some have corrupted the prosperity message both in teaching and in hearing but that doesn't make it any less true.


God tells us to be careful who we listen to. He tells us to study his Word so we can discern truth from false teaching. There is no doubt in my mind when comparing God's word to their teaching that they are false teachers and exactly who God was warning us against tickling our ears.

Please don't fall into the trap of misusing the verse in the Bible about judge not lest ye be judged. God isn't telling us not to judge the actions or teachings of others. He is saying that we don't have the authority to judge another's soul to heaven or hell. Judge not means not to condemn or judge another's salvation. That has to be the most misused verse in the Bible.


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Bill, Some ministers don't do it for me. I still will not speak ill of them unless they were in some sort of blatant sin that needed to be revealed to protect someone else. Just look at the OT example of David and Saul, how David repented for cutting off his shirt tail even though Saul was trying to kill him.

I've heard Joel preach a couple times and while his delivery isn't my taste, I didn't hear him say anything that was just wrong. Are you sure you can say why those people go to the alter. The scripture does say that it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance and that we shouldn't judge.

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2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

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I can't say that those walking the aisle at a Osteen service aren't saved. I can only say with certainty that the message they are hearin from Osteen is false. God tells us we aren't too worry about what we will eat or wear because he will take care of that but he doesn't promise us worldly riches for obedience. The Word can be twisted to fit an agenda but God is very clear that we are only here for a short time and the rewards that really matter will be received in heaven. Man would have had everything he could ever want and God withheld almost nothing from Adam and Eve prior to sin. After sin we aren't promised anything more than what is necessary to live. That doesn'tmean wealth is wrong. Only that us being wealthy isn't a concern of Gods.

As to specific false doctrine that Joel Osteen teaches, John MacArthur lays it all on the table right here.


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I had no intention of starting a debate. I just felt moved to share what a great experiance that my wife and I had today, and encourage anyone considering attending COTH to do it. I can tell you this, Jesus would have definatly been welcome in that room today.

In my OPINION one of the biggest turn offs of some of the traditional churches to me is that I get the impression if: you're not singing like we are, reading from our version of the Bible, or worshiping like we are then you're doing it wrong. And there is alot of condemnation that goes on within christianity when it comes to these things. My thinking is that if you are worshiping Jesus, singing praise to him, know that he died for all of mankinds sin and repent in him, and do your best to live your life according to his teachings, then you're doing it right. And if you're doing this in a church that you love that is what matters

I can tell you that I definatly felt his presence today and thoroughly enjoyed the service. I know that this church is turning a lot of lost souls and back sliden christians like myself around.

I will also add that the Baptist church family that I grew up in was great and full of good ole God fearing country folk, if I still lived in Lafayette I would go there. But some of the traditional churches around Opelika and Auburn are a Sunday morning meet and greet for the who's who. Im sure the message is there but I dont think im in a high enough tax bracket for some.


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You're wrong Bill. The gospel is full of prosperity. God wants you to be wealthy, but not so that you can forget about him and have no need for him. Wealth is not an end to itself. Jesus was clear about not being able to serve two masters but you are completely wrong that God is not concerned you being blessed, both spiritually and financially. It was part of the Covenant with Abraham and we are still under that covenant.

I'm not watching your link. I won't watch anyone attack a minister.

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Originally Posted By: smokeandbones
I had no intention of starting a debate. I just felt moved to share what a great experiance that my wife and I had today, and encourage anyone considering attending COTH to do it. I can tell you this, Jesus would have definatly been welcome in that room today.

In my OPINION one of the biggest turn offs of some of the traditional churches to me is that I get the impression if: you're not singing like we are, reading from our version of the Bible, or worshiping like we are then you're doing it wrong. And there is alot of condemnation that goes on within christianity when it comes to these things. My thinking is that if you are worshiping Jesus, singing praise to him, know that he died for all of mankinds sin and repent in him, and do your best to live your life according to his teachings, then you're doing it right. And if you're doing this in a church that you love that is what matters

I can tell you that I definatly felt his presence today and thoroughly enjoyed the service. I know that this church is turning a lot of lost souls and back sliden christians like myself around.

I will also add that the Baptist church family that I grew up in was great and full of good ole God fearing country folk, if I still lived in Lafayette I would go there. But some of the traditional churches around Opelika and Auburn are a Sunday morning meet and greet for the who's who. Im sure the message is there but I dont think im in a high enough tax bracket for some.


Glad you enjoyed worshipping God my friend. I will remove myself from this discussion as I likely won't change any minds that are already made up. The truth is clear for all to find if they will just open their Bibles.

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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
You're wrong Bill. The gospel is full of prosperity. God wants you to be wealthy, but not so that you can forget about him and have no need for him. Wealth is not an end to itself. Jesus was clear about not being able to serve two masters but you are completely wrong that God is not concerned you being blessed, both spiritually and financially. It was part of the Covenant with Abraham and we are still under that covenant.

I'm not watching your link. I won't watch anyone attack a minister.


SMH. The minister at Westboro Baptist appreciates your silence.


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What does Joel Osteen promise if you will only use your words to claim it? Health , wealth, prosperity and the object of your desires. That's a very popular message and one that it's bringing thousands to his teachings. Why is it so popular? Because it is the same thing Satan promises and tempts with. When Satan had Jesus up on the mountain he looked over all the kingdoms of the earth and promised them all to Jesus if he would follow him. God promises our needs but I haven't read anything about him promising jet skis, private planes and 10 million dollar mansions. God doesn't desire us to struggle through life financially and he may even bless us with wealth but God's definition of success in our lives has nothing to do with money.

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I'm not trying to be funny but I have a question for you guys.
I'm serious.
What would you think about a minister's wife who had breast implants just to look sexy, and wears tight sweaters.



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YouTube Joel Osteen and his interview with Larry King where he will not support John 14:6


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A church of the highlands just opened up here in Madison/Huntsville. I am thinking about trying it next Sunday. I grew up Baptist, but switched to Presbyterian (PCA) while in college. What I liked about every PCA church I have been a part of, they actually teach the Bible, a common thread in reformed theology. I mean actually reading and studying scripture, not picking a verse or two and expanding a whole 30 min sermon full of stories, jokes, etc. As others have mentioned, that is something that is severely lacking these days. I want to leave feeling convicted, but uplifted. I get so much more out of reading RC Sproul, John Piper, John MacArthur, etc than I do listening to some of the sermons I've heard lately. I hope that Church of the Highlands can fill that void, I'll see for myself soon. I've heard a lot of good things about it.

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I think you will AU. That's what my wife and I like about the sermon series at highlands.

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Originally Posted By: bill
What does Joel Osteen promise if you will only use your words to claim it? Health , wealth, prosperity and the object of your desires. That's a very popular message and one that it's bringing thousands to his teachings. Why is it so popular? Because it is the same thing Satan promises and tempts with. When Satan had Jesus up on the mountain he looked over all the kingdoms of the earth and promised them all to Jesus if he would follow him. God promises our needs but I haven't read anything about him promising jet skis, private planes and 10 million dollar mansions. God doesn't desire us to struggle through life financially and he may even bless us with wealth but God's definition of success in our lives has nothing to do with money.


Joel Osteen believes if Jesus was alive today, he'd be outfitted in Armani. Joel teaches a Prosperity Gospel that uses doing good things to leverage material blessings from God. That's considered to be false teaching according to the Bible I read.


Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
The truth is clear for all to find if they will just open their Bibles.


Open that Bible and study/compare it to Joel's teachings - the truth will be clear to you as well.

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What does Joel Osteen have to do with my original post? Nothing some of yall can not help but to take a positive experiance and twist it around with your negative agenda.


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Originally Posted By: smokeandbones
What does Joel Osteen have to do with my original post? Nothing some of yall can not help but to take a positive experiance and twist it around with your negative agenda.


Yep, glad you enjoyed your experience. IMO there is no one right way to worship The Lord. Enjoying your time at church is what makes it easier to become more involved, to reflect on oneself and to truly start understanding the word. You don't need a preacher yelling hell, fire and brimstone, if you like that kind of preaching then good. Again, what you gain and enjoy from a church is a personal preference. Types of preaching, types of singing, etc.

Go to a church where you feel you belong.

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I really cant comment without seeing pictures first.....


Originally Posted By: BamaBart
I'm not trying to be funny but I have a question for you guys.
I'm serious.
What would you think about a minister's wife who had breast implants just to look sexy, and wears tight sweaters.


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Smokeandbones, I am truly sorry for joining in with the hijacking of your thread. Your OP deserved an AMEN by those of us who call ourselves followers of Christ. I hope you continue to have the same zeal as you had when you were leaving the worship service yesterday. Once again, I resemble my own tag line below.

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Smokeandbones, I am truly sorry for joining in with the hijacking of your thread. Your OP deserved an AMEN by those of us who call ourselves followers of Christ. I hope you continue to have the same zeal as you had when you were leaving the worship service yesterday. Once again, I resemble my own tag line below.


x2 as well for me, Smokeandbones. My apologies. My comments belonged in another thread separate from your praise of a good event. God bless you and your walk in faith.


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I may be crazy, but I think people should worship as they chose. Personally, I am not one for the charismatic and contemporary. I think nothing is wrong with it and in my opinion they really narrow a huge distance in our society. Many people who normally would not attend services due to the stereotypes around churches or nervousness about not fitting in attend contemporary services and that's great. I just have always attended a traditional service, and it's what I like.

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As a licensed and ordained full time minister I have read this thread with great interest. Its always interesting to see other peoples thoughts on subjects like this. I have refrained from commenting specifically although the temptation has been great. I have learned over the years that you aren't very likely to change most peoples religious views and that God is well able to get people where they need to be. I have also learned that nobody is right all the time, even the best preachers and pastors. We all make mistakes and miss it. A couple things I have learned is that LOVE ministers to people more effectively than any other type of ministry and that your PERSONAL relationship with God is more important than any church you can ever attend, and that comes from somebody who Pastors a church. Not every style of church will appeal to every person much like not every restaurant will appeal to everyone. As long as the Gospel is not being compromised and lives are being CHANGED into the image of Jesus, what does it matter that the music and worship and style of preaching may not be what you are accustomed too? The main thing in choosing a church is to go where YOU get fed a steady diet of the Word of God and are growing in your personal relationship with Him.

Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: Booger] #855527
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Originally Posted By: Booger
Smokeandbones, I am truly sorry for joining in with the hijacking of your thread. Your OP deserved an AMEN by those of us who call ourselves followers of Christ. I hope you continue to have the same zeal as you had when you were leaving the worship service yesterday. Once again, I resemble my own tag line below.


X2. I apologize and meant nothing against COTH. The conversation turned toward Joel Osteen and I got caught up in it because he is preaching such a dangerous message that is deceiving thousands. I should have started another thread since there was really no correlation between Osteen and COTH. My apologies.


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Originally Posted By: BigDalk
I bet more people come to know Christ in one service at COTH than the little hell fire and brimstone church does all year.


I hope you didn't mean this the way I am visualizing you say it. If so it really gets under my skin when people have that attitude.

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I'm good, I know what I experianced yesterday and loved it. I just feel that bickering and arguing between christians with different opinions does more harm to christianity than good. This and some of the threads I have read here in the past could leave a bad taste for some who are on the fence, and push them farther away.


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Originally Posted By: BigDalk
I bet more people come to know Christ in one service at COTH than the little hell fire and brimstone church does all year.


I hope you didn't mean this the way I am visualizing you say it. If so it really gets under my skin when people have that attitude.


I know it shouldn't be a contest and I apologize if I offended you. I take it to heart when my church is downplayed as a "rock and roll" service. Just because a church is enjoyable doesn't mean it's any less effective. Our mission as Christians is to lead others His way and Highlands has done very well doing so. Loud modern praise music isn't for everyone but it shouldn't be discounted.


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #855944
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Originally Posted By: smokeandbones
We went to COTH in Auburn today for the first time. I was raised in a small town southern baptist church so I was a little skeptical about the big crowd, simulcasted service, and contemporary music. But we absolutely loved it, the message was spot on, everyone was very nice and accommodating and I really enjoyed the music. If you have been thinking about going to one the services I highly recommend it.


Glad you enjoyed the service. It is great when we can worship the Lord no matter the setting.

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As for many of the other comments:

Maybe I'm a simpleton but to me a church that is inline with God's Word and inline with God's purposes for the church will always have at least these three characteristics:

1. Christ-Centered.
2. Gospel-Driven.
3. Spirit-Filled.

If a church is preaching Christ, from the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit is alive and active withing the church body then there will be evidence of it (similar to there will be evidence of a Christian life in anyone who claims to be a Christian). How?

1. Equipping believers
2. to share the Gospel
3. Locally and abroad
4. In order to Reach the Lost.

A church is very much like a person in that Matthew 6:21 equally applies in the real world: "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." A church will show if it is on the right track by a look at the financials. There should be that great majority of money set aside for those purposes: $ earmarked to teaching and preaching to the members of the church to equip them, $ earmarked to support and equip families to be able to teach and train their own children in the Gospel, $ to local ministries, $ to USA ministries, $ to global ministries--with one single purpose--advancing the Gospel message and reaching the lost.

A church that is doing this might be huge like Briarwood PCA (my home church) or it might be a 20 member church meeting in an office building of one of the members. There might be traditional songs or rock-themed praise. There might be suits or cut off shorts. But a church that is Christ-centered, Gospel-driven and Spirit-filled will will be teaching the same things: The REAL Gospel, Salvation, Redemption, Repentance, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE

Now there are going to be individuals in every church that seems to ruin the message. Church is full of sinful people or folks that just refuse to be kind or loving sometimes. Sometimes the church is run by these types so the whole church festers. Guess that will always be.


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Re: Church Of The Highlands [Re: smokeandbones] #856930
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Originally Posted By: smokeandbones
What does Joel Osteen have to do with my original post? Nothing some of yall can not help but to take a positive experiance and twist it around with your negative agenda.


Didn't read any negative agendas. If what I said on an open forum discussion took away from your experience at church, I apologize.


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I went this past weekend to the new Huntsville location. I enjoyed it. The singing portion was good, even though I'm not a fan of contemporary music for a morning worship service, I didn't hate it either. The sermon was sound and stuck to scripture to teach a message. Again, not as much as I'm used to, but I still left convicted, but empowered by the message. I still am a little perturbed by some of their church structure, by-laws and their main pastor's beliefs on speaking in tongues, etc. Overall, I'm cautiously optimistic that I've found a solid body of believers to plug into.


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Fellas, I am wildly passionate about doctrine, apologetics bent, I have taught adult small groups for several years, but for the life of me I don't know what to respond about in this thread?? LOL It's all over the board, lots of general assertions without much context. But hey, I'm a Reformed amillienalist in a Southern Baptist church, so finding a church around here that would be compatible for me is just not going to happen. I just left a church of 17 years and joined another one that is very Christ-centric in it's preaching, and heavy on small group life. I agree with whoever it was above that said you're cheating yourself if you aren't doing life with a small group.


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Originally Posted By: OcToBeRDrEaMiN67
The one thing I have noticed in todays society is that churches and preachers are not preaching a bloody gospel anymore.They are preaching success in life and monetary prosperity.I dont know anything about the church that has been mentioned but if it is preaching Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and risen from the dead I'm all for it.The Bible says that in the last days that we would heap ear ticklers to ourselves .Thats what is making alot of the preacher-teachers famous today is that they are telling us what we WANT to hear not what we NEED to hear.Joel Osteen is a prime example.He is a great guy I'm sure but he is preaching-teaching in the wrong direction.Just my two cents FWIW


You are correct and incorrect at the same time. There are a lot of those teachings going on. The Bible tells us to watch out for those teachings. All churches aren't teaching that. Come visit our church and you'll hear the Gospel preached.


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Originally Posted By: Booger
Smokeandbones, I am truly sorry for joining in with the hijacking of your thread. Your OP deserved an AMEN by those of us who call ourselves followers of Christ. I hope you continue to have the same zeal as you had when you were leaving the worship service yesterday. Once again, I resemble my own tag line below.


Me too. I'm glad you experienced a true worship service. I get apprehensive when talking or reading about mega churches. I have never been to a COTH service so I can't comment on it. The Truth has never been popular and today the Truth of God is likely more unpopular than it's ever been. That is one reason that I am apprehensive about mega churches but as I said, I have no right to comment on COTH because I haven't been to a service there.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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