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interesting afternoon
#78505
01/22/11 08:26 PM
01/22/11 08:26 PM
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gobbler
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12 point
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With all the sob stories about not seeing deer and "QDM sucks", thought this afternoons hunt was illustrative of a "balanced" herd. Small tract - 340 acres, after being slaughtered 6 years ago, we basically left it alone and killed no bucks and a couple does. We now have a reasonable deer herd that is well balanced in both sex and age ratios. Saw a youngish buck chasing a doe on the way in. The field I sat at this evening is the same one I passed the nice 3 or 4 yr old 10 pt a couple weeks ago (see http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=6441&Number=66871#Post66871) and thought I might kill him if he showed the 2nd to last weekend of season. Had first deer in the field at 3:30. 2.5 yr old buck that had spike on left and nice 1/2 8 pt on right. Spike came in at 4:00. Saw a doe being chased by a buck in the woods @ 150 yds away but never could see the buck enough to evaluate him. Watched them for 30 minutes, however, what was interesting was neither the 1.5 yr NOR the 2.5 yr olds were interested in a "hot" doe less than 200 yds away. Their necks were not swollen and they just fed around all afternoon looking up at the ruckus occasionally. The only time they left the field was when a bobcat walked the edge then right through the middle of the fallow portion of the field looking for mice. They bristled up and stared, walked out to a hardwood drain and came back in 15 minutes. This is exactly what a balanced herd will get you - very cool observations and young bucks doing what young bucks should do - eat and get fat, NOT rut and wear themselves down chasing does. These young bucks will have a much better chance to become something later in life since the older segment of the buck population has "discouraged" them from chasing does
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Re: interesting afternoon
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#78509
01/22/11 08:31 PM
01/22/11 08:31 PM
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Posts: 31,681 Slidell, La
perchjerker
Freak of Nature
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Its amazing what you can see when you don't shoot the first thing that walks out ! You can learn an awful lot about deer behavior !
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78512
01/22/11 08:34 PM
01/22/11 08:34 PM
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Matt Brock
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Matt Brock
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Observing deer has taught me more than I could ever learn reading Rack magazine.......or Buckmasters.
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78517
01/22/11 08:39 PM
01/22/11 08:39 PM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
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The 2 young bucks we watched this afternoon brought my total up to 39 DIFFERENT bucks that I have seen (videoed most of them) in the past 10 days. I agree, you can learn WAY more in the woods than you can on the internet, on TV or in a magazine.
I just really wish that EVERYONE had the good fortune and opportunity to experience the same quality of hunting that I do!
Last edited by Hogwild; 01/22/11 08:39 PM.
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78524
01/22/11 08:44 PM
01/22/11 08:44 PM
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Posts: 31,681 Slidell, La
perchjerker
Freak of Nature
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Not to mention ,its just fun to watch the young ones fight and chase each other around.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: perchjerker]
#78528
01/22/11 08:48 PM
01/22/11 08:48 PM
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Matt Brock
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Why watch them do that kinda stuff when you can shoot them before they get a chance to?
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78576
01/22/11 09:54 PM
01/22/11 09:54 PM
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Posts: 2,667 Central Alabama
QDMAV8R
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I had a very interesting afternoon as well. On the way to my stand I took a detour down a firebreak around some 4-5 year old planted pines and was checking out some scrapes and rubs leading into the downwind side of my stand. As I got to the back side of the planted pines which falls off into hardwood drain and creek bottom, I began hearing a series of quick grunts and the sound of movement coming up from the bottom. I quickly jumped up on the bank of the pushed fire break to get a better view into the drain. Less than 50 yards away was a tall rack 8 point tending a doe. I watched them circle around that drain for a good 10 minutes and sized up the buck as 3.5 year old through my binos. Then it happend!!! The buck mounted the doe and I became a vouyer. I stood there a minute just amazed as this was the closest I had ever been to deer breeding. It was all very shortly and I quietly slipped back into the fire break and eased on to my stand about two hundred yards away. As soon as I had climbed up about 30 feet in a tree and was getting ready to pull up my gun I hear those quickening grunts again and here they come right down the same fire break I had just walked, passing 20 yards underneath my stand. They bound out of sight and I pull my rifle up and start getting settled in when I look up and see a tall rack coming up from the creek bottom on a trail that comes out 50 yards in front of me. He steps out with his nose on the ground, a tall, long beamed 7 point...another 3.5 year old. As he steps out into an opening and turns to head toward a clover field 100 yards away, I blow on my grunt tube. It startles him and he bolts a few yards, stops and turns around coming back my way. He and I had a good game of cat and mouse for a good 20 minutes. Everytime he would start to walk off, I would hit that grunt tube and he would stop, walk around in circles and look all over for that grunting buck. A great afternoon of hunting in the deer woods.
"Never met a deer that I didn't like" - QDMAV8R
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Re: interesting afternoon
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#78642
01/23/11 02:31 AM
01/23/11 02:31 AM
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Posts: 1,583 Demopolis,Al
BOHNTR
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I had a very interesting afternoon as well. On the way to my stand I took a detour down a firebreak around some 4-5 year old planted pines and was checking out some scrapes and rubs leading into the downwind side of my stand. As I got to the back side of the planted pines which falls off into hardwood drain and creek bottom, I began hearing a series of quick grunts and the sound of movement coming up from the bottom. I quickly jumped up on the bank of the pushed fire break to get a better view into the drain. Less than 50 yards away was a tall rack 8 point tending a doe. I watched them circle around that drain for a good 10 minutes and sized up the buck as 3.5 year old through my binos. Then it happend!!! The buck mounted the doe and I became a vouyer. I stood there a minute just amazed as this was the closest I had ever been to deer breeding. It was all very shortly and I quietly slipped back into the fire break and eased on to my stand about two hundred yards away. As soon as I had climbed up about 30 feet in a tree and was getting ready to pull up my gun I hear those quickening grunts again and here they come right down the same fire break I had just walked, passing 20 yards underneath my stand. They bound out of sight and I pull my rifle up and start getting settled in when I look up and see a tall rack coming up from the creek bottom on a trail that comes out 50 yards in front of me. He steps out with his nose on the ground, a tall, long beamed 7 point...another 3.5 year old. As he steps out into an opening and turns to head toward a clover field 100 yards away, I blow on my grunt tube. It startles him and he bolts a few yards, stops and turns around coming back my way. He and I had a good game of cat and mouse for a good 20 minutes. Everytime he would start to walk off, I would hit that grunt tube and he would stop, walk around in circles and look all over for that grunting buck. A great afternoon of hunting in the deer woods. Very cool!
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78681
01/23/11 08:50 AM
01/23/11 08:50 AM
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Posts: 18,875 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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I kinda lost, you mean you all are seeing those elusive deer???
I thought they had been all kilt off
like many of you I learned more letting deer, buck's especially, walk than I'll ever learn in a book.
Hogwild I'm really lost, you said you videoed 39 different bucks yet you've been leading the charge of too many does being killed and so forth about a declining population etc.....
Gobbler great post
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: cartervj]
#78717
01/23/11 10:20 AM
01/23/11 10:20 AM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788 Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
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Booner
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How on Earth could you get lost with such an easy roadmap???? I have never said NOT to shoot does! I preach moderation and setting doe harvest targets according to the site density AND the hunter's goals/expectations. I fully believe in passing young bucks! I have also stated that I drive over 70 miles to enjoy hunting in this type of management scheme due to this NOT being practiced in the areas I have access to locally. Did you miss the part where I said that I would LOVE for everyone to be able to enjoy the same type of hunting that I do????? Gobbler's post actually shows more the results of LOW PRESSURE and TRIGGER RESTRAINT than doe harvest! But, I guess you missed that part while trying to figure an angle to promote shooting more does?
Last edited by Hogwild; 01/23/11 10:22 AM.
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: Hogwild]
#78721
01/23/11 10:33 AM
01/23/11 10:33 AM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,187 South Alabama
gobbler
OP
12 point
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12 point
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Gobbler's post actually shows more the results of LOW PRESSURE and TRIGGER RESTRAINT than doe harvest! But, I guess you missed that part while trying to figure an angle to promote shooting more does? True, however, that was what was warranted on THIS property. On one of my other favorites, I see the same type of activities BUT we shoot close to 100 does a year. A LOT of killing pressure, LOTS of sitting in stands and restraint in buck harvest. You and I agree on harvest goals being specific to individual properties. Just note that some properties still need LOTS of population control.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78755
01/23/11 01:35 PM
01/23/11 01:35 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,948 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Gobbler probably was hunting on one of those rich landowner's tracts, the kind who have the politicians' ears to make special rules for them while comin' down on the common man and whose land has gates with gold inlay with jewel-encrusted locks and hinges.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78836
01/23/11 04:12 PM
01/23/11 04:12 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,494 Jefferson
Fun4all
10 point
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10 point
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This is an enlightening thread from the aspect that the idea that management is being discussed as being a great thing when instituted at the local/site specific location. The part that is so enlightening is the fact that it is not being dictated through regulation by the State, but by the individual properties.
Isn't this the way it should be? I mean if a person wants to set goals for their land to increase the deer herd, adjust the buck/doe ratio, adjust the age structure, select harvest bucks, manipulate the carrying capacity or nutritional value on their land under the current State regulations, isn't that good?
Seems to me that letting the individual micro-manage their property withing a broad State management regulation like what is in place now (some may agree or disagree about the breadth of the current regulation) is the best method.
Of course there is one situation that might dictate that the State should micro-manage the resource on every property and that would be that ALL land in the State is open to ALL residents to hunt (i.e. All land is considered State Wildlife Management lands) and the individual land/leaseholder has no rights to manage their own property. Something tells me this situation would not be popular with land/leasholders.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: BOHNTR]
#78844
01/23/11 04:19 PM
01/23/11 04:19 PM
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Posts: 388 Pace, Florida
allsteve
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I had a very interesting afternoon as well. On the way to my stand I took a detour down a firebreak around some 4-5 year old planted pines and was checking out some scrapes and rubs leading into the downwind side of my stand. As I got to the back side of the planted pines which falls off into hardwood drain and creek bottom, I began hearing a series of quick grunts and the sound of movement coming up from the bottom. I quickly jumped up on the bank of the pushed fire break to get a better view into the drain. Less than 50 yards away was a tall rack 8 point tending a doe. I watched them circle around that drain for a good 10 minutes and sized up the buck as 3.5 year old through my binos. Then it happend!!! The buck mounted the doe and I became a vouyer. I stood there a minute just amazed as this was the closest I had ever been to deer breeding. It was all very shortly and I quietly slipped back into the fire break and eased on to my stand about two hundred yards away. As soon as I had climbed up about 30 feet in a tree and was getting ready to pull up my gun I hear those quickening grunts again and here they come right down the same fire break I had just walked, passing 20 yards underneath my stand. They bound out of sight and I pull my rifle up and start getting settled in when I look up and see a tall rack coming up from the creek bottom on a trail that comes out 50 yards in front of me. He steps out with his nose on the ground, a tall, long beamed 7 point...another 3.5 year old. As he steps out into an opening and turns to head toward a clover field 100 yards away, I blow on my grunt tube. It startles him and he bolts a few yards, stops and turns around coming back my way. He and I had a good game of cat and mouse for a good 20 minutes. Everytime he would start to walk off, I would hit that grunt tube and he would stop, walk around in circles and look all over for that grunting buck. A great afternoon of hunting in the deer woods. Very cool! X2
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78910
01/23/11 06:21 PM
01/23/11 06:21 PM
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Posts: 18,875 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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Gobbler's post actually shows more the results of LOW PRESSURE and TRIGGER RESTRAINT than doe harvest! But, I guess you missed that part while trying to figure an angle to promote shooting more does? True, however, that was what was warranted on THIS property. On one of my other favorites, I see the same type of activities BUT we shoot close to 100 does a year. A LOT of killing pressure, LOTS of sitting in stands and restraint in buck harvest. You and I agree on harvest goals being specific to individual properties. Just note that some properties still need LOTS of population control. that's my point as well, wished I had a dollar for every story I've heard about deer disappearing due to killing too many does many times hunters claim low deer population numbers cause they ain't seeing any deers, been hearing all about it up here this year, something has happened to the deers, a die off or something like killing too many does and yotes and all as I drove home right at dusk I noticed deer all up and down the Trace, 10-12 or so, not many are brave enough to shootem on the Trace. I'm still seeing those annually killed deer on HWY 72 when the rut kicks in, same amount as every year in the same area habitat change is one big factor over looked as far as deer densities, gobbler knows about habitat management for sure, his pics say it all I'm not dissing on you Hogwild, you prove you're a great hunter that shares in his endeavors, nothing to get riled up over, we just disagree with doe management conspiracies
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“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78921
01/23/11 06:37 PM
01/23/11 06:37 PM
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Posts: 31,681 Slidell, La
perchjerker
Freak of Nature
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Dissing James, come on speak English ! You honky ? LOL
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: gobbler]
#78939
01/23/11 06:55 PM
01/23/11 06:55 PM
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Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
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All bets are off, when your land is bordered by public hunting. You can do everything right, and still sit a stand, from daylight til dark, scratching your head wondering what the hell made all them rubs and scrapes and hammered them green fields.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: interesting afternoon
[Re: perchjerker]
#78942
01/23/11 06:57 PM
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Posts: 18,875 colbert county
cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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The 73 yr old land owner has been watching gang wars on History Channel, he says we have to be up there representing & showing our colors so no one comes over on our place sorry for the divert gobbler I'll start another thread to show why I come up with the doe killing deer number declines
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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