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Rank These Deer Factors
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08/08/13 04:41 AM
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Rank these in order of 1 to 4, with 1 being the bestest and 4 the leastest, that you believe most importantly impacts antler growth. This is in a FREE RANGE environment -- NO pens, enclosures or whatever captive situation exists -- and a general question without regard to region or state.
Genetics
Soils/Minerals
Age/Trigger Restraint
Forage/Nutrition
Last edited by Clem; 08/08/13 05:23 AM.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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1. AGE/Trigger Restraint
2. Genetics
3. Soils/Minerals
4. Nutrition
ETA: This is my opinion for a real world environment (not a pen) where it's nearly impossible to alter herd genetics through culling. I cringe when I hear that word thrown around and people actually thinking they are helping the herd.
Ya'll are just overthinking it now
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: Clem]
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08/08/13 04:58 AM
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1. AGE/Trigger Restraint
2. Forage/Nutrition
3. Soils/Minerals
4. Genetics
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: Clem]
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08/08/13 05:14 AM
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If we are talking free range under normal conditions. By nutrition do you mean feeding too? If so Soils and Nutrition could swap back and forth but without decent soils you have poor forage and nutrition...
Age
Soils
Forage/Nutrition
Genetics
You have to ask what is the biggest contributing factor to bigger, better deer in the midwest. The answer is older, larger deer. They are larger due to the food they have everywhere. Why do they have that food? Better soils.
The best ground in the world would be worthless if the carrying capacity was doubled though...
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: Clem]
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Only three responses before the region comparison. I put the over/under at 5. I knew I should have played the under.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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08/08/13 05:27 AM
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wouldn't forage/nutrition kind of coincide with soil/ minerals?
Anyway, I pretty much agree with Barry. Although even with age, if they dont have the quality nutrition you can be hunting 90" 5 year olds.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: Clem]
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08/08/13 05:36 AM
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GENETICS
Soils/minerals and forage/nutrition go hand in hand. I believe they are the same.
Age
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: Clem]
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08/08/13 05:40 AM
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How can u possibly rank genetics as lowest priority? If were talking about antler growth fine But if your talking antler size genectics plays a huge role.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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08/08/13 06:04 AM
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How can u possibly rank genetics as lowest priority? If were talking about antler growth fine But if your talking antler size genectics plays a huge role. Because even average genetics with superior nutrition will produce above average antlers. Great genetics with poor nutrition will produce below average antlers.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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1) Soil/Nutrition
2) Age
3) Genetics
I believe soil and nutrition are one and the same. Needs to be mature to express his potential. And finally, IMO genetics are probably pretty much the same around the state. Winner, IMO.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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How can u possibly rank genetics as lowest priority? If were talking about antler growth fine But if your talking antler size genectics plays a huge role. Because even average genetics with superior nutrition will produce above average antlers. Great genetics with poor nutrition will produce below average antlers. Put them in the same area and a genetically inferior deer will always be inferior.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: 2Dogs]
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08/08/13 06:15 AM
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1) Soil/Nutrition
2) Age
3) Genetics
I believe soil and nutrition are one and the same. Needs to be mature to express his potential. And finally, IMO genetics are probably pretty much the same around the state. No winner genetics are not the same u can't compare southern deer to alabama northern deer....... Winner, IMO.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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08/08/13 06:21 AM
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James, how are the genetics different in a deer in Morgan County vs one in Geneva County?
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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08/08/13 06:22 AM
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1) Soil/Nutrition
2) Age
3) Genetics
I believe soil and nutrition are one and the same. Needs to be mature to express his potential. And finally, IMO genetics are probably pretty much the same around the state. No winner genetics are not the same u can't compare southern deer to alabama northern deer....... Winner, IMO. And the reason for that is the soil, not genetics. Ever heard of the black belt?
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: James]
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08/08/13 06:25 AM
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Better read Clems question again James, .....was not intended to compare regions.
Jackson Co. deer were stocked from LA deer. Stimpson Sanctuary I believe.
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
[Re: Clem]
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08/08/13 06:31 AM
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I read where he said genectics are pretty much the same throughout the state & that's false
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Re: Rank These Deer Factors
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08/08/13 06:33 AM
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I was respnding to James. He said the genetics were different in south alabama and north alabama, and i disagree. The soil is the difference. Yep, I think there are a couple areas that were restocked from deer outside the state, most areas were from native deer.....so genetics are the same in most of the state.
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