quit it Eddie....

Timbercruiser, you may be right on losing some info. But, there are massive areas in the state that have never been sampled. And the confusion on what the WFF is (and I don't know) may be coming across as some separate entity from the state DCNR. The samples I know about are being done by state employed biologists.

Timbercruiser, there is no lost data. If we gathered it, then we have it. The reason we continue to conduct more studies is because there are areas of the state with no data at all. The public asked for this. You want data, so we are getting it.

Also, we conduct the repro surveys only on lands we have permission to be, or on WMAs. I haven't read the AON article. Who was the author?

Waaaa! DCNR doesn't do anything! They don't have data! They should be doing research! Waaaaaa!

Waaaa! DCNR is breaking their laws and thumbing their nose! They shouldn't be doing this! They should be doing things like everyone else! Research bad! Waaaaaa!


Goes on throughout the country. Round up all the state agencies and throw them in the prison.

Also, we do work under a permit no different than a depredation permit issued to landowners to kill deer at night on their own property, except we are gaining very valuable reproduction data that you can not get by asking hunters. Asking 10 hunters when peak breeding occurs in an area is about useless. You'll get 7 different answers, maybe more.

I'm predicting 7 pages, of which 4 will be copy/paste by 9er.

Fixed it for ya Matt..... lol

They have been doing the same thing here in la. for as long as I can remember. Heck when I was in high school I was good friends with the head honcho at the NWR down the road from my house and I would go with them some nights. They would shoot does and occasionally they would shoot a few mature bucks to test for disease. That's when I realized how many nice bucks were out there in the marshes that you never saw in the daylite.

Agree

Its stupid killing deer at night during the summer.

Where are yall getting this idea the data is lost?

I'd like to know that one myself.

Summer and late spring is the time they are pregnant. Night time is about the only time deer are going to be moving in hot weather.

Depredation permits are a creation of the DCNR, not our legislature. The DCNR has no authority to violate laws.

Our legislature authorized the Commissioner, by law, to open seasons for antlerless deer where depredation of crops occurs.



How can violations of the law with DCNR permission be justified when the intent of the legislature was clearly to allow more hunting opportunities through longer seasons?

It makes no sense at all for the DCNR to close deer season in areas where populations so obviously need to be reduced, and then allow game wardens or hunters with permits to violate the law in order to reduce the population. If deer are being killed out of season and piled up to rot, then more data is not needed to justify longer seasons.

It doesn't take more "reproductive data" or "vaginal implants" to figure that one out. That kind of data is more necessary for wildlife management and manipulation of the population of the species than for its conservation.

If you've got too many deer, then you should allow hunters to do more hunting within the limits of the law.

Otherwise, we risk loss of respect for our game and fish laws and for the DCNR.

Tylenol, glass, ice, and scotch.

Stick to your 3F "wildlife farming" in Mississippi and I'll stick to preserving our right to hunt natural wildlife here in Alabama.

49er, the DCNR is not participating in any population reduction events. We do not drive around and shoot deer at night to reduce the population. We conduct repro surveys to gain valuable information that can not be gathered any other way. Please do not confuse this with any of the population reduction projects that take place in areas that are closed to hunting. We do not do that. The commissioner can issue any scientific collection permit he deems suitable, especially when it pertains to effectively managing the state's deer herd. This is a common method to collect data all over the USA.

Wow, just Wow at the comments on this thread!

You would be amazed at what a State or Fed collection permit will allow you to do. I had both for several years and could be in possession of a dead bald eagle if I could justify it.

Matt Brock,


The DCNR depredation permit rule (220-2-.27) expressly states: "... Persons taking, capturing or killing wildlife under the provisions of this regulation shall abide by all state and local laws and ordinances."

The statutory authority cited for that rule is: Code of Ala. 1975, §§9-2-7, 9-2-8, 9-2-12


Could you share with us the statutes (and the rules if applicable) that authorize employees of the DCNR to collect and study protected wildlife in an otherwise illegal manner.

You know how to post pictures of woods burning.

Take a picture of your permits and share them with us.

Like this:




See how you vow to abide by all laws and ordinances?

You wouldn't tell a lie and use the permit to break the law would you?