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jim walter land #598864
05/27/13 08:08 PM
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Was looking at some land on a map around 1-22 corridor x/west jefferson area, that is EAT UP with hogs and deer, seen a ton of hogs down there from the highway. Noticed that it's old jim walter land that is reclaimed. Will they allow you to get a permit to hunt this area or do some folks just ride out in this land and hunt it?


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Re: jim walter land [Re: austintucker01] #598920
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Walter Energy now owns all the land that used to be owned by US Pipe. Walter Energy's land division was United Lands a few years ago, but that may have changed by now.

I would use the following Walter Energy contact number and ask for the land division contact information:

(205) 745-2000

Don't ever assume you can hunt without permission. If the company representative tells you that you don't need a permit to hunt (unlikely), get his name and keep it for future reference in case you get checked by a game warden.

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Originally Posted By: 49er

Don't ever assume you can hunt without permission. If the company representative tells you that you don't need a permit to hunt (unlikely), get his name and keep it for future reference in case you get checked by a game warden.


Good tip, and even that may not be enough, because they'll just say that you should have written permission.

Re: jim walter land [Re: Remington270] #599001
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Originally Posted By: 49er

Don't ever assume you can hunt without permission. If the company representative tells you that you don't need a permit to hunt (unlikely), get his name and keep it for future reference in case you get checked by a game warden.


Good tip, and even that may not be enough, because they'll just say that you should have written permission.



NOT true.

Open permit land does not always require written permission. You should read the rule completely. Relying on the Hunters Digest for official information is not a good practice.

Been there, done that before.

Capt. Dennis Sanford, DCNR Div. III confirmed it for me. University of Alabama (and also Weyerhaeuser would give me verbal permission to hunt school owned land near my home, but would not issue written permission.

2012-2013 Regulation Book
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220-2-.85 Hunter Orange Requirement for Hunting and
Definition of Open Permit-Public Land

... (2) “Open Permit-Public Land” is defined as governmentally owned land open for public hunting and/or lands made available to the public on an individual basis whether for a fee or not. Examples of such lands would be national forest lands, lands owned by lumber companies and utility companies available for use by hunters either through free permits, fee permits or no permit requirement.



Here's what the 2012-2013 Hunters Digest tells you, and it is not true:

page 40

Quote:
HUNTING PERMISSION REQUIREMENT
It is illegal to hunt, trap, capture, injure, kill or destroy any wild game on another person’s land without having in possession the written permission of the landowner or person in control of such land, unless accompanied by the landowner or unless a guest of the landowner.

Re: jim walter land [Re: 49er] #599026
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The rule has not changed since I hunted that UA land and Weyerhaeuser land with verbal permission.

BhamFred was the game warden here then. Ask him if he would have written me a ticket for not having a written permit if he had checked me on that land.

Re: jim walter land [Re: austintucker01] #599038
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There is a ton of land out that way that is Drummond coal owned and Drummond issues no permits for their land anymore.
Drummond and USX both have really clamped down on poachers and trespassers on their properties.
Its highly patrolled by the game warden. I see Kerry or Mike out there at least twice a week patrolling.


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Re: jim walter land [Re: Rmart30] #599060
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Looks like mostly a mix of Walter Minerals and Drummond.

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I doubt if you'll bet permission to hunt anywhere around active or recent mining operations. Too much danger and liability involved for both employees and the hunter.

We've got mine fans and all kinds of power feeds and pumps to the mines on our lease. We lease from a non-mining company who owns the surface rights. Most of us are coal miners and understand the dangers involved.

Walter Energy had guards posted at several of their facilities when I was down there yesterday because of the added risk during holiday periods when a lot of people get out while they aren't working and sometimes wander around where they shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted By: 49er


Open permit land does not always require written permission. You should read the rule completely. Relying on the Hunters Digest for official information is not a good practice.

Been there, done that before.



I just hope he doesn't run into a DCNR officer with the Hunter's digest in his back pocket!

Re: jim walter land [Re: Remington270] #599194
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Why?

Re: jim walter land [Re: austintucker01] #599211
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Because then the game warden would hassle him over not having written permission. I get what you're saying about the handbook not being correct, but that argument might not fly in the field, after all, it's in the handbook!

A trip to the courthouse might reverse the ticket but it would still be a huge headache.

Re: jim walter land [Re: austintucker01] #599222
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Walter energy will not allow anyone on there property. I know the president of the company pretty well and had a conversation with him a couple weeks ago about the same. Drummond will allow leasing if you work for the company or are a family friend.

Re: jim walter land [Re: joshm28] #599480
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When you see Rich again, tell him I said hello Josh.

Rich and I started working for Jim Walter at about the same time. He came down from Missouri fresh out of school with some of his college friends, and I worked with them at No. 3 Mine.

I was the mine clerk then before going underground later.

A.B. Beasley was general mine foreman, and he seemed to be trying to make it rough on all of us.

I think Rich will agree now that the 'Ol Man was right. He was teaching us to do things right and not get hurt.


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