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Crossbows in bow season? #589939
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Unless it is coming from someone that hunts with a homemade bow and stone arrowheads, I dont want to hear from these bowhunter elitest. Today's compounds are a far cry from a "primitive weapon".

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Originally Posted By: hawndog
Unless it is coming from someone that hunts with a homemade bow and stone arrowheads, I dont want to hear from these bowhunter elitest. Today's compounds are a far cry from a "primitive weapon".


Recon what they would say if I got a connected CAB member to pitch a proposal for shortened archery season for those with compounds and leave the rest of the season for recurves?? grin


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why do people care what other people hunt with. I would have to be injured and could not use a vertical bow to use a cross bow , but do not care if someone else uses one.

This is as stupid as the people that argue 9mm vs .45

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Not a crossbow fan and I'd go with the 45.


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Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: hawndog
Unless it is coming from someone that hunts with a homemade bow and stone arrowheads, I dont want to hear from these bowhunter elitest. Today's compounds are a far cry from a "primitive weapon".


Recon what they would say if I got a connected CAB member to pitch a proposal for shortened archery season for those with compounds and leave the rest of the season for recurves?? grin


Really.... crazy.. Think they are having enough trouble with what is going on now....


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He lost me at "feign superiority"
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When crossbows were first allowed to be used during the regular archery season, I wasn't too keen on it just because it meant having to deal with more folks in the woods (ditto for the week-long muzzleloader season in November). I got over all of that. Now, as long as a person follows the regs/laws, it doesn't bother me anymore what they kill, what weapon they use, or when in the season they kill them. Sure has made deer season a lot more fun.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #590404
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What does the tool that is used have to do with this:

Section 9-2-2
Powers and duties generally.
The general functions and duties of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources shall be as follows:

(1) To protect, conserve, and increase the wildlife of the state and to administer all laws relating to wildlife and the protection, conservation, and increase thereof.


Seasons and bag limits should serve the sole purpose of protecting the species. Dead is dead whether I use a .45 Blackhawk or a Matthews compound bow, a black powder smoke pole or a spear or whatever else is allowed for hunting.

Does liberty and freedom mean anything at all to this generation of rule lovers and bureaucrat suck-ups?

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I have a very bad shoulder that keeps me from using a compound.Me and my brother both hunt together and there is no difference on the range of deer we both kill.I would rather hunt with the compound because i enjoy shooting it.Either way both still put deer on the ground.that article is a joke.

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Amen!

This is exactly why I was happy to see the prohibition lifted on buckshot use outside of dog hunting season and in stalk only areas.
I like to hunt thick cover as a storm front plays itself out. When the rain stops the deer move and few hunters are afield.
When hunting under these conditions I prefer an 870 synthetic stoked with Dixie Tri-Ball buckshot. I also apply waterproofing to the crimp and primer. These conditions make blood tracking virtually impossible and I hate fighting briars in the cutovers. Three 60 caliber 320 grain pellets to the shoulder virtually always result in a DRT, but if not, complete penetration leaves a heavy blood trail.

Yes, the hunter should be able to choose his hunting method and weapon.

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From the article:

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... And, yes, I’m very self-centered in this respect. I don’t want to share, at least not with those who have much less time and effort invested. Crossbows remind me of in-line muzzleloaders in this respect: Scoped, saboted, 200-yard weapons applied to seasons established with primitive cap-and-ball capabilities in mind. ...


He doesn't have to worry ... he won't be sharing a lease with me anyhow, and it's none of his business what we use on our lease to hunt with.

Hunting is not a privilege to be earned. It is a God-given right that is recogized by the people of this state in our state's constitution.

People like him who can't be happy just going to the woods and minding their own busness while they enjoy their own liberty and freedom need to get a life and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy hunting. We don't need them any more than we need any other liberals who want to restrict our freedom in all sorts of ways they can dream up.

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Originally Posted By: 49er
From the article:

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... And, yes, I’m very self-centered in this respect. I don’t want to share, at least not with those who have much less time and effort invested. Crossbows remind me of in-line muzzleloaders in this respect: Scoped, saboted, 200-yard weapons applied to seasons established with primitive cap-and-ball capabilities in mind. ...


He doesn't have to worry ... he won't be sharing a lease with me anyhow, and it's none of his business what we use on our lease to hunt with.

Hunting is not a privilege to be earned. It is a God-given right that is recogized by the people of this state in our state's constitution.

People like him who can't be happy just going to the woods and minding their own busness while they enjoy their own liberty and freedom need to get a life and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy hunting. We don't need them any more than we need any other liberals who want to restrict our freedom in all sorts of ways they can dream up.
well said

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Originally Posted By: wmd
When crossbows were first allowed to be used during the regular archery season, I wasn't too keen on it just because it meant having to deal with more folks in the woods (ditto for the week-long muzzleloader season in November). I got over all of that. Now, as long as a person follows the regs/laws, it doesn't bother me anymore what they kill, what weapon they use, or when in the season they kill them. Sure has made deer season a lot more fun.


And that's exactly why I'm an advocate of just having a "deer season," and letting hunters decide what weapon they want to hunt with. Get over all these "special weapons" seasons, the only purpose for which are to provide a few people with more exclusive hunting time.

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Originally Posted By: BSK
Originally Posted By: wmd
When crossbows were first allowed to be used during the regular archery season, I wasn't too keen on it just because it meant having to deal with more folks in the woods (ditto for the week-long muzzleloader season in November). I got over all of that. Now, as long as a person follows the regs/laws, it doesn't bother me anymore what they kill, what weapon they use, or when in the season they kill them. Sure has made deer season a lot more fun.


And that's exactly why I'm an advocate of just having a "deer season," and letting hunters decide what weapon they want to hunt with. Get over all these "special weapons" seasons, the only purpose for which are to provide a few people with more exclusive hunting time.



I agree with both of y'all.


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The *only* problem I have with crossbows is that we've probably had 5 times more deer injured and lost with them than with compounds on our club. I've talked to several people with similar stories. A lot less misses, but a lot more deer running away, never to be seen again with a bolt in them rather than an arrow. I don't know if it's because people are taking longer shots than the should with the crossbows, less concentration on making a good shot, older/younger (than the normal bowhunting crowd) people getting out there with crossbows, or what...but it's a fact on our club.


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Originally Posted By: BSK
Originally Posted By: wmd
When crossbows were first allowed to be used during the regular archery season, I wasn't too keen on it just because it meant having to deal with more folks in the woods (ditto for the week-long muzzleloader season in November). I got over all of that. Now, as long as a person follows the regs/laws, it doesn't bother me anymore what they kill, what weapon they use, or when in the season they kill them. Sure has made deer season a lot more fun.


And that's exactly why I'm an advocate of just having a "deer season," and letting hunters decide what weapon they want to hunt with. Get over all these "special weapons" seasons, the only purpose for which are to provide a few people with more exclusive hunting time.


bite your tongue. lol

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I love that exclusive hunting time!

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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
The *only* problem I have with crossbows is that we've probably had 5 times more deer injured and lost with them than with compounds on our club. I've talked to several people with similar stories. A lot less misses, but a lot more deer running away, never to be seen again with a bolt in them rather than an arrow. I don't know if it's because people are taking longer shots than the should with the crossbows, less concentration on making a good shot, older/younger (than the normal bowhunting crowd) people getting out there with crossbows, or what...but it's a fact on our club.



Probably becomes fact.
Sounds like the same argument used against Buckshot, Slug, round ball muzzleloader and Hangun hunting.


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Originally Posted By: jpippin
I love that exclusive hunting time!


Then lease you some land and don't allow gun hunting on it.

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I do not hunt with a crossbow and do not plan on it, but I could care less if someone else does during bow season! I personally took up bow hunting for the extra challenge so hunting with a crossbow makes no sense for me.


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Originally Posted By: bigt
I do not hunt with a crossbow and do not plan on it, but I could care less if someone else does during bow season! I personally took up bow hunting for the extra challenge so hunting with a crossbow makes no sense for me.
just curious how its any less of a challenge?Doesnt your compound have a release trigger?Dont you still have to draw?Most of my shots are within 30 yards.A crossbow is still not a rifle.You still have to see tons of deer you cant shoot due to range.I have hunted them both and i cannot see any advantage of the cross bow.With todays technology anyone with half a brain can be a pretty good shot in a days worth of practice with a compound.Im not saying splitting arrows but one can put an arrow in the boiler area.I really dont see why people argue that x bows are some magical weapon.It is still very limited in range and accuracy.

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Tatsoul if you want to think that hunting with an crossbow is the same more power to you, but like you I have shot both and I know it is not. I also know way too many people that have given up their bows for crossbows to believe they are the same. That being said have fun with yours and one day if I have to use one for medical reasons I will too.


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Originally Posted By: bigt
Tatsoul if you want to think that hunting with an crossbow is the same more power to you, but like you I have shot both and I know it is not. I also know way too many people that have given up their bows for crossbows to believe they are the same. That being said have fun with yours and one day if I have to use one for medical reasons I will too.


my experience is just the opposite . I do not know anyone that has given up their vertical bow for a x bow without a injury.

I own both and have not shot the x bow in years . I also agree I would use the x bow if I could not shoot my vertical bow.

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I've talked with several blustery "I'll quit hunting before I pick up one of them x-bows!" hunters who said after an injury or age or whatever, they missed hunting and upon shedding their prideful ignorance to learn something new they realized a crossbow was just a tool to kill a deer and continue the hunting experience.


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Originally Posted By: Clem
I've talked with several blustery "I'll quit hunting before I pick up one of them x-bows!" hunters who said after an injury or age or whatever, they missed hunting and upon shedding their prideful ignorance to learn something new they realized a crossbow was just a tool to kill a deer and continue the hunting experience.

X2..i was really bummed out not being able to shoot my compound anymore.Could not hold the bow up in front of me without my shoulder hurting like hell.The crossbow is what others have said.nothing more than a tool to kill deer like everything else.Being an ethical hunter has NOTHING to do with the choice of weapon you use.

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I do have land. Thanks for the advice though. My post was in reference to bsk's post about exclusive hunting time. I love bow season for that reason. I have the woods to myself. Don't like it, buy a bow.

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Originally Posted By: TatSoul
Originally Posted By: bigt
I do not hunt with a crossbow and do not plan on it, but I could care less if someone else does during bow season! I personally took up bow hunting for the extra challenge so hunting with a crossbow makes no sense for me.
just curious how its any less of a challenge?Doesnt your compound have a release trigger?Dont you still have to draw?Most of my shots are within 30 yards.A crossbow is still not a rifle.You still have to see tons of deer you cant shoot due to range.I have hunted them both and i cannot see any advantage of the cross bow.With todays technology anyone with half a brain can be a pretty good shot in a days worth of practice with a compound.Im not saying splitting arrows but one can put an arrow in the boiler area.I really dont see why people argue that x bows are some magical weapon.It is still very limited in range and accuracy.

Seriously I couldn't care less, but there is a big difference in terms of movement in the stand and difficulty of the shot.


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Originally Posted By: jpippin
... I love bow season for that reason. I have the woods to myself. Don't like it, buy a bow.


Why should I have to buy a bow (of any kind) in order to exercise my right to hunt just to satisfy selfish people like you?

Can you cite any lawful authority for this kind of liberal crap?

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This thread has gotten ridiculous.


83% of all statistics are made up.

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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
This thread has gotten ridiculous.


Ridiculous rules are born from ridiculous notions of the legitimate purpose of government.

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This thread has gotten ridiculous.


Ridiculous rules are born from ridiculous notions of the legitimate purpose of government.


That is the most susinct statement of the value of thinking outside of the box!

Words frame our thoughts.

Continued acceptance of each new, (unauthorized), regulation breeds unquestioning acceptance of the next regulatory restriction on our liberty.

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If somebody doesn't hunt the same way you do, who cares. I don't hunt with a crossbow, but i don't care if someone else does. A traditional bow hunter might think the same thing about me hunting with a compound bow, be deal. To each his own is all i'm saying.


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... I love bow season for that reason. I have the woods to myself. Don't like it, buy a bow.


Why should I have to buy a bow (of any kind) in order to exercise my right to hunt just to satisfy selfish people like you?

Can you cite any lawful authority for this kind of liberal crap?



Lol. Because it is law. If you don't like it, dont hunt. Simple as that. Quote all the garbage you like, it is what it is. Buy a bow or leave the woods to me.

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I like bow hunting the last 10 days of January.


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Originally Posted By: jpippin
Originally Posted By: 49er
Originally Posted By: jpippin
... I love bow season for that reason. I have the woods to myself. Don't like it, buy a bow.


Why should I have to buy a bow (of any kind) in order to exercise my right to hunt just to satisfy selfish people like you?

Can you cite any lawful authority for this kind of liberal crap?




Lol. Because it is law. If you don't like it, dont hunt. Simple as that. Quote all the garbage you like, it is what it is. Buy a bow or leave the woods to me.



The archery snobs in Mississippi had the same mentality and it almost backfired on them. The MDWFP had to jump through some legal contortions to allow anything but firearms to be used after the archery only deer season. The bow-only hunters didn't think it was so funny when the firearms hunters didn't have to or want to share the woods with them.

Just remember a "law" or regulation made can always be changed. Ask the dog hunters about that one.


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Lol. Because it is law. If you don't like it, dont hunt. Simple as that. Quote all the garbage you like, it is what it is. Buy a bow or leave the woods to me.


Actually, it's not a law.


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Originally Posted By: Ponderous
obviously this person that calls himself a bow hunter has NOT DONE ANY RESEARCH AT ALL BEFORE HE OPENED HIS IGnorANT MOUTH there is a crossbow magazine called horizontal bow hunters magazine.in his one sided rant he does not have a clue.as to how much more accurate you can be with an crossbow, and also how much more powerful they are compared to what most bow hunters use.he is a spoiled wimp that needs to get a life get out of the shell he lives under hiding from the real world. archery is archery no matter if the bow is vertical or horizontal


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let hunter choice be what it is i can use a big rock if i want too.


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besides most crossbow is more of a bow than what he uses, hint key word crossbow, it don't say vertical bow.


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Originally Posted By: Clem
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Lol. Because it is law. If you don't like it, dont hunt. Simple as that. Quote all the garbage you like, it is what it is. Buy a bow or leave the woods to me.


Actually, it's not a law.



Actually, it is a "rule that is not a rule" according to current law, and it is null and void:

Unconstitutional Official Acts
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most ethical archers don't shoot past 40 yard due too all the tree limbs and such in the way.

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funny part is he tinkered with crossbow for 15 years, i have owned mine for two year and i for a fact know there limits, more over the compound bows.if he canonly meke a fist size group at 150 he needs to get some real arrows instead of game getters, and use a rest to get steady, most crossbow will shot a lot better than that. mine shoots 1/4" group at 20 yards. i have not shot it at 150 yard as i don't have a scope that will let me shoot that far. maybe it is time to buy a hha OPTIMIZER. THEN I CAN ACURATELY CONNECT AT THAT DISTANCE.normally i won't shoot an arrow in the woods past 40 yards out of respect for the deer that you might hit a limb a deflecting the arrow and wounding the deer. same as for compounds can happen.


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obviously he does not hunt here in the great state of ALABAMA, WHERE WE HAVE HUNTER CHOICE. NO ONe TO TELL US WHAT TO USE, AND WHAT TO WEAR. BULL CRAP ONe THAT IDOT.

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HE WOULD COMPLAIN IF YOU HUNG HIM WITH A NEW GRASS ROPE.


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he needs to do research before he writes trash. learn what you are talking about before you prove you are a fool.

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none of my crossbow shoot bullets like a rifle they don't go bang.and depending on where you hit the deer they don't bang flop, but they won't go far.

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i would like to ask him what does foc means to archery.:)


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Archery only season is nothing more than one more form of gun control.

Legislators and city councilmen expect cops to pacify the liberals by keeping you from being armed with guns in most situations where you need them the most.

Advisory Board members expect our game wardens to keep you from being armed with guns in order to pacify the liberal-minded bow hunters who want the woods to themselves and think that it's a legitimate function of government.

Gun control is gun control.

Some label it under public safety, some call it for "conservation".

The end result is a loss of freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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Originally Posted By: 49er
Archery only season is nothing more than one more form of gun control.

Legislators and city councilmen expect cops to pacify the liberals by keeping you from being armed with guns in most situations where you need them the most.

Advisory Board members expect our game wardens to keep you from being armed with guns in order to pacify the liberal-minded bow hunters who want the woods to themselves and think that it's a legitimate function of government.

Gun control is gun control.

Some label it under public safety, some call it for "conservation".

The end result is a loss of freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


What are you talking about? I carry my pistol while bow hunting public land.


83% of all statistics are made up.

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Try hunting with your pistol while you're there.

Let us know how that works out for you.

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Originally Posted By: 49er
Try hunting with your pistol while you're there.

Let us know how that works out for you.


When it's gun season i will. With that logic, deer season should be in year around.


83% of all statistics are made up.

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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Originally Posted By: 49er
Try hunting with your pistol while you're there.

Let us know how that works out for you.


When it's gun season i will. With that logic, deer season should be in year around.


You're switching subjects now... but I certainly think deer season should be open year round in areas where crop depredation permits allow scores of deer to be killed illegally and then wasted instead of leaving the season open.

That's what the law allows, btw:

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Section 9-11-240
Opening of season for hunting, etc., of female deer and unantlered male deer.

Any law of the State of Alabama to the contrary notwithstanding, the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources is hereby authorized to open a season in any county, area or section of the state for the hunting, taking, capturing and killing of female deer or unantlered male deer by a duly promulgated regulation when, in his best judgment, he deems it necessary for biological reasons or because of crop damage to open the season on such deer, provided this meets with the approval of the landowner or leaseholder.

(Acts 1966, Ex. Sess., No. 180, p. 213, § 1.)


See how the DCNR takes everything off into left field??

They go from being allowed to leave seasons open for purposes other than conservation and perpetuation of the species to closing the season and then allowing baiting, trapping and hunting at night if you're willing to lie and use their permit.

That's how liberals interpret and twist the law and our constitutions.

With that logic, they think they are free to do anything... like setting bow only seasons just to pacify people like you.

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I can't believe I am going to do this but what the heck. If it were up to you the season would be any weapon and year round. And a few years later when there were no deer and turkey left, you would blame it on the gov. And please don't say it can't happen. Just look back at all the hard work conservation orgs did to reintroduce the elk, deer, turkey, etc.....where they had been whipped out. And that all happened because of unregulated hunting. Oh Snap, I just realized that is exactly what you want!

And please understand that you calling "bow only season" "gun control" is taking it too far. And since gun hunters kill on avg around 7 times as many deer as bow hunters do, your idea just might require an adjustment in the season length or bag limits. But, I am guessing you don't care about that. You just want to slam the gov and have everything your way reqardless of the outcome.

So please cut and paste some more.


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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
49er,

I can't believe I am going to do this but what the heck. If it were up to you the season would be any weapon and year round.

[My answers are this color.]

You want cut and paste, so here it is ... the lawful reasons I have consistently stated seasons are to be set:

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(1) To protect, conserve, and increase the wildlife of the state and to administer all laws relating to wildlife and the protection, conservation, and increase thereof.


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(7) To close the season of any species of game in any county or area when, upon a survey by the department, it is found necessary to the conservation and perpetuation of such species and to reopen such closed season when it is deemed advisable.


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Any law of the State of Alabama to the contrary notwithstanding, the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources is hereby authorized to open a season in any county, area or section of the state for the hunting, taking, capturing and killing of female deer or unantlered male deer by a duly promulgated regulation when, in his best judgment, he deems it necessary for biological reasons or because of crop damage to open the season on such deer, provided this meets with the approval of the landowner or leaseholder



And a few years later when there were no deer and turkey left, you would blame it on the gov. And please don't say it can't happen. Just look back at all the hard work conservation orgs did to reintroduce the elk, deer, turkey, etc.....where they had been whipped out. And that all happened because of unregulated hunting. Oh Snap, I just realized that is exactly what you want!


No, that's what you would like to make others think I want in an effort to divert attention away from your desire to use government to protect your own personal preferences... that's what liberals do.

And please understand that you calling "bow only season" "gun control" is taking it too far.

What do you call it?


And since gun hunters kill on avg around 7 times as many deer as bow hunters do, your idea just might require an adjustment in the season length or bag limits.

That would be fine. That's the proper purpose of setting seasons and bag limits... to insure the perpetuation of the species.

But, I am guessing you don't care about that. You just want to slam the gov and have everything your way reqardless of the outcome.

Guess again, Barry. I believe you know better.

So please cut and paste some more.

I did. Now, show us your source of statutory authority to back up setting bow only seasons just because people like you want them.

You don't have to cut and paste, just tell me where to look in the law and I'll find it if it's there.





Some people need me to cut and paste stuff to remind them, and I don't mind doing it for you Barry.

Here's some pretty good stuff for you to remember:

Constitution of Alabama 1901
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SECTION 35

Objective of government.
That the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.


I didn't write it, but I like it.

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back away from that crack pipe Eddie.......


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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I'm not on crack Troy.

I was working six and seven days a week when all this crap happened. Now I've got time to pay attention.

I want my freedom and liberty back.

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IF you recall I was neck deep in the crossbow fight, had DCNR watching me and semi veiled threats aimed at me.

bow season is not, in any way, gun control.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Sorry guys, but it is gun control.

I'm fighting sheriffs and legislators right now who don't want me carrying my pistols in my vehicle.

Over here, I'm fighting people who don't want me using my Blackhawk to hunt with.

No difference the way I see it.

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you've got a twisted way of looking at bow season...


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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"That would be fine. That's the proper purpose of setting seasons and bag limits... to insure the perpetuation of the species."

So, if 40 years ago it had been made an any weapon season and the harvest of the first month (bow season) had increased 7X, would it be safe to say that the deer population would be near nothing at this time if bag limits had not been changed to handle the increase in deer taken?

So therefore, the fact that it was made bow only did serve the purpose of increasing the population. If that is too logical for you I will try again.


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And please address the unregulated hunting that almost whipped out the deer, turkey and elk from this country. You always seem to omit discussing that part when you are lobbying for no restrictions on hunting.


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Troy,

You ever read the Heller opinion of the US Supreme Court where the Court said hunting was a part of the right protected by the 2nd Amendment?

Bearing arms is a right and hunting is a right. The Court recognized that hunting was one means of maintaining proficiency in the use of arms that is a necessary part of bearing them for defense.

Even though we agreed in our state constitution that hunting can be regulated in accordance with law, it is still a fundamental right that can only be restricted for legitimate purposes. Bow only season doesn't rise to the level of being a legitimate purpose to restrict our fundamental right to hunt.

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Sorry guys, but it is gun control.

I'm fighting sheriffs and legislators right now who don't want me carrying my pistols in my vehicle.

Over here, I'm fighting people who don't want me using my Blackhawk to hunt with.

No difference the way I see it.


Ding Ding Ding, you finally said it. "The way you see it"! Hate to tell you this but you opinion of something does not make it fact.


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and the state of Alabama dosen't restrict your right to shoot or hunt with a gun in bow only season, only what you can shoot. Like.....no deer....or turkey....or bear.....


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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
And please address the unregulated hunting that almost whipped out the deer, turkey and elk from this country. You always seem to omit discussing that part when you are lobbying for no restrictions on hunting.


Barry, I've been hunting for more than 50 years. I helped bring deer back in Alabama by supporting legitimate laws that promoted conservation.

I've never been cited for a violation of our hunting and fishing laws. Your being dishonest when you try to paint me as one who thinks there should be no game and fish laws. You know that is not the case, so don't lie about it.

Your argument is without merit.

Bow only season rules are quite different from laws that are necessary for the conservation of the species.

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and the state of Alabama dosen't restrict your right to shoot or hunt with a gun in bow only season, only what you can shoot. Like.....no deer....or turkey....or bear.....


Troy,

You're contradicting yourself trying to fight a losing battle.

There is no compelling public interest involved that merits rules to restrict the right to hunt with a free choice of otherwise lawful implements during the first six weeks of deer season.

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When crossbows were first allowed to be used during the regular archery season, I wasn't too keen on it just because it meant having to deal with more folks in the woods (ditto for the week-long muzzleloader season in November). I got over all of that. Now, as long as a person follows the regs/laws, it doesn't bother me anymore what they kill, what weapon they use, or when in the season they kill them. Sure has made deer season a lot more fun.


And that's exactly why I'm an advocate of just having a "deer season," and letting hunters decide what weapon they want to hunt with. Get over all these "special weapons" seasons, the only purpose for which are to provide a few people with more exclusive hunting time.


Where are BSK and wmd now when I need 'em?

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Lol. No one is restricting yout rights. They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt. Get out of here with your anti-gov garbage. Don't hunt if you don't like it.

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I dont think they are restricting any rights to hunt during the first 6 weeks of the season. I think that they added six weeks to the season for ONLY the use of archery equipment. I look at the glass half full...not half empty.

We are getting six EXTRA weeks where we can enjoy deer hunting without them being pressured by gun shots. In my humble opinion its like...a bonus plan!

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Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
I dont think they are restricting any rights to hunt during the first 6 weeks of the season. I think that they added six weeks to the season for ONLY the use of archery equipment. I look at the glass half full...not half empty.

We are getting six EXTRA weeks where we can enjoy deer hunting without them being pressured by gun shots. In my humble opinion its like...a bonus plan!

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Hmm!

Do I hear a proposal for a special deer season for sub-sonic ammo and sound suppressors?

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and the state of Alabama dosen't restrict your right to shoot or hunt with a gun in bow only season, only what you can shoot. Like.....no deer....or turkey....or bear.....


Troy,

You're contradicting yourself trying to fight a losing battle.

There is no compelling public interest involved that merits rules to restrict the right to hunt with a free choice of otherwise lawful implements during the first six weeks of deer season.


I ain't fighting a losing battle......


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Originally Posted By: jpippin
They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt.


Oh... Ouch, you must be under 30. The GOV'T does NOT give ANY rights, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights outlines the ones GOD gives us. The GOV'T can only take them away or restrict them.... Which they seem to take pleasure in more and more every day.

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Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: jpippin
They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt.


Oh... Ouch, you must be under 30. The GOV'T does NOT give ANY rights, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights outlines the ones GOD gives us. The GOV'T can only take them away or restrict them.... Which they seem to take pleasure in more and more every day.


you are so right there gobbler! its a shame too.

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Originally Posted By: jpippin
Lol. No one is restricting yout rights. They are giving me more rights by allowing me to bowhunt. Get out of here with your anti-gov garbage. Don't hunt if you don't like it.


Seems like you should be all over their "giving" you more rights by allowing you the option of killing a deer with a firearm on Oct 15 instead of making you wait until the Saturday before Thanksgiving to kill a deer with a firearm. There is no difference to the deer - it's dead. Why, as long as you follow the rules pertaining to limits set by the state, does it matter how you kill them or when you kill them? Heck, I think you should be able to kill all 3 bucks in one day and just be done with it and start getting ready for turkey season.


Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
I dont think they are restricting any rights to hunt during the first 6 weeks of the season. I think that they added six weeks to the season for ONLY the use of archery equipment. I look at the glass half full...not half empty.

We are getting six EXTRA weeks where we can enjoy deer hunting without them being pressured by gun shots. In my humble opinion its like...a bonus plan!


Surely you know it ain't the gun shots pressuring the deer, but rather the folks behind the trigger and what they are doing in the woods that is pressuring the deer.


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Originally Posted By: 49er
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And please address the unregulated hunting that almost whipped out the deer, turkey and elk from this country. You always seem to omit discussing that part when you are lobbying for no restrictions on hunting.


Barry, I've been hunting for more than 50 years. I helped bring deer back in Alabama by supporting legitimate laws that promoted conservation.

I've never been cited for a violation of our hunting and fishing laws. Your being dishonest when you try to paint me as one who thinks there should be no game and fish laws. You know that is not the case, so don't lie about it.

Your argument is without merit.

Bow only season rules are quite different from laws that are necessary for the conservation of the species.


Have you not said that you should be able to hunt when and what you want to hunt. And that they gov shouldn't restrict you from doing so? Not these exact words, but the same meaning.


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I've consistently posted time and time again the lawful reasons for setting seasons and bag limits.

I've never said there was no need for seasons and bag limits that have been set for lawful purposes.


Here's an example of the unlawful purposes hunting seasons are being set for:

March, 2013 CAB Minutes
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21 DR. LEMME: Mr. Moody, is there a biological
22 reason to close turkey season during the
23 fall?
MR. MOODY: No.
2 MR. HATLEY: Negative.
3 CHAIRMAN MOULTRIE: Any other discussion?


Apply Dr. Lemme's question to bow only deer season and the answer is the same.

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Originally Posted By: 49er
I've consistently posted time and time again the lawful reasons for setting seasons and bag limits.



Exactly, and you don't think there are any lawful reasons.


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I want seven days for nothing but handgun hunting.

Only handguns. No other firearms, no bows, no crossbows. Only handguns.

Muzzleloaders get a week. Kids get a weekend to use anything. Bowhunters get many weeks.


I think I'll start pushing for this. Surely out of a long season they could carve out a week for nothing but handguns. Maybe the first or second week of December.


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Originally Posted By: Clem

I want seven days for nothing but handgun hunting.

Only handguns. No other firearms, no bows, no crossbows. Only handguns.

Muzzleloaders get a week. Kids get a weekend to use anything. Bowhunters get many weeks.


I think I'll start pushing for this. Surely out of a long season they could carve out a week for nothing but handguns. Maybe the first or second week of December.


Yep. I think we should do away with the youth days.


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Originally Posted By: Clem

I want seven days for nothing but handgun hunting.

Only handguns. No other firearms, no bows, no crossbows. Only handguns.

Muzzleloaders get a week. Kids get a weekend to use anything. Bowhunters get many weeks.


I think I'll start pushing for this. Surely out of a long season they could carve out a week for nothing but handguns. Maybe the first or second week of December.


I want a week for ONLY 7 x 57 Mausers. I like my little Mauser and would like to have a week, only a week, to hunt without any others in the woods (in the rut in my area of course). Same argument, same restrictions. My suggestion would be laughed at, bowhunters not so much!


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Sounds great. Start pushing it.

Maybe Jim Porter could help. grin


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Think about how many segments of deer season there are:
1. bow
2. muzzleloader/ archery
3. youth
4. general
5. weapon of choice but no dogs

now in part of the state:
1. bow
2. muzzleloader/ archery
3. youth
4. weapon of choice
5. bow
6. weapon of choice
7. weapon of choice but no dogs

Keep your calenders handy.

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Originally Posted By: hawndog
Think about how many segments of deer season there are:
1. bow
2. muzzleloader/ archery
3. youth
4. general
5. weapon of choice but no dogs

now in part of the state:
1. bow
2. muzzleloader/ archery
3. youth
4. weapon of choice
5. bow
6. weapon of choice
7. weapon of choice but no dogs

Keep your calenders handy.


I know the excuse given, but what is the rationale for 2nd bow-only season in some parts of the state? Can't be to have undisturbed deer ... Can't a a guy just tote his bow during the February season and get the same number of days with his bow.


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Spear and Loincloth need to be thrown into the mix also.....


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Would a spear and loincloth season have liberal gun control, or could at least traditional flintlocks be included?


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No flintlocks? Or no liberal gun control?


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Lets add
an open sight only season.
a buckshot only season.
a dogs only season.
We should have no problem getting this up to around 15 segments of deer season.

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Then we have to look at how complicated we can make squirrel season.
start with shotgun only
.22 only
weapon of choice
then back to shotgun only
then a dog season with .22's
then back to shotgun only.

I guess we should add a primitive weapon season too. So lets add slingshot only for the first 3 weeks.

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Might as well. We do it for deer. Why not other species?

Why can't there be a "traditional flintlock or caplock" squirrel season? Sounds like a great idea.


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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
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I've consistently posted time and time again the lawful reasons for setting seasons and bag limits.



Exactly, and you I don't think there are any reasons that are not lawful reasons.


Fixed it for you Barry. Two can play your game.

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Eddie,

You can do all the corrections, cut and pastes, and any other silly stuff you like and the bow season will still not be a form of gun control.

Gun hunters lost nothing. They were not allowed to hunt during that time of the year to start with.

I really love your passion for the constitution and our rights. But, sometimes you go to far.


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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
Eddie,

... Gun hunters lost nothing. They were not allowed to hunt during that time of the year to start with.


Obviously, all deer hunters should have been able to hunt but they weren't. That's the point, Barry.

Quote:
... (7) To close the season of any species of game in any county or area when, upon a survey by the department, it is found necessary to the conservation and perpetuation of such species and to reopen such closed season when it is deemed advisable.


All you've done is attack me personally.

You've shown no lawful reasons for hunters to be restricted to bows only during a large portion of deer season.

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they(gun hunters) were not allowed to hunt in Oct before there was ever a bow season. By your thinking not allowing me to gun hunt deer in Oct(hell, make it Aug, or better yet April) is restricting my Second Amendment rights. That limb is going to break out from under you Eddie.....


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IF you recall ... bow season is not, in any way, gun control.


Putting my reference to the 2nd amendment in proper context, I was pointing out that there is, in fact, a connection of hunting rights to the right to bear arms. The US Supreme Court recognizes that connection.

Banning the use of firearms without lawful authority for legitimate purposes such as hunting or self defense is most certainly gun control in both cases.

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... By your thinking not allowing me to gun hunt deer in Oct(hell, make it Aug, or better yet April) is restricting my Second Amendment rights. That limb is going to break out from under you Eddie.....


Now you're exaggerating my position like Barry does, Troy.

The subject I'm addressing is the unlawful restriction of our rights. There are lawful restrictions that can be found in a proper reading of the law.

By law, if opening deer season does not harm the conservation and perpetuation of the species, then the season should be open. If the season is open, there is no biological reason not to allow guns as well as bows.

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Are there any states with a "deer season" with no weapon-specific seasons?


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We have our rights to use firearms. We also have extra rights to use a bow. Win- win situation. Some of u guys will whine about anything.

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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
they(gun hunters) were not allowed to hunt in Oct before there was ever a bow season. By your thinking not allowing me to gun hunt deer in Oct(hell, make it Aug, or better yet April) is restricting my Second Amendment rights. That limb is going to break out from under you Eddie.....


I've said it once, and I will say it again...49er has a VERY unhealthy obsession with this.

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Eddie,

... Gun hunters lost nothing. They were not allowed to hunt during that time of the year to start with.


Obviously, all deer hunters should have been able to hunt but they weren't. That's the point, Barry.

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... (7) To close the season of any species of game in any county or area when, upon a survey by the department, it is found necessary to the conservation and perpetuation of such species and to reopen such closed season when it is deemed advisable.


All you've done is attack me personally.

You've shown no lawful reasons for hunters to be restricted to bows only during a large portion of deer season.


No, I don't think it was obvious. I don't believe the deer population could have with stood the increase harvest over the past 40 years.

And it was not my intention to attack you personally. You throw stones all the time at the DCNR, CAB, bowhunters, etc... And when someone throws back it is personal? Glass house and stuff friend! I am with you the vast majority of the time, but sometimes you go out on a limb.


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a shakey skinny limb.....


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I don't understand the argument, it's pretty simple: Bow season is extended because there were enough deer hunters to support having it and the herd could be sustained. Gun season won't be extended unless the herd can sustain it and enough hunters support it, such as it was in the southern part of the State.

I don't agree with the depredation permits if people aren't allowed to hunt. I think none of this is about gun control & it's silly to suggest that it is. This belief that if you are allowed something & enjoy it, then I am somehow denied pleasure by that fact alone is just crazy.


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Let's shift the argumentative construct and see how support shifts for giving a different group special access to a wildlife resource.

The recent deer season shift in the southern part of the state shifted the deer season into February. Now what if that extension of the season had been limited to pistols only, (as defined in Alabama law), no rifles, shotguns, muzzleloaders, or archery equipment of any kind. Would granting this subset of hunters special access to the wildlife resource be a lawful exercise of Conservation Department authority to set seasons and bag limits?

Remember to hunt during a "pistols only deer season" a duly licensed hunter would have spend more money to aquire another deer harvest tool, spend time and money learning a new skill subset, aquire an additional special license to transport the harvest tool (current law), and those who declined or could not afford to spend the additional money and effort would also have their original access time to the wildlife resource shortened. Not to mention limiting hunter access during the height of the rut.

Would this change your perspective on special weapons deer seasons?

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Actually, that's a different topic. It's not an extention, it's a shift in the season. The people in the SW portion of Alabama want to be able to hunt the rut, like the rest of us. Now, if it had been an extention, i don't have a problem with it. Although, you can get pistols that shoot as far as rifles, so that's not very restrictive on the possible number of deer killed.

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No it would not RMcL. It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


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Originally Posted By: Shaw
If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.



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Originally Posted By: Shaw
No it would not RMcL. It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


Your quote, (below), is very appropriate for the civil continuance of this discussion.

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There's nothing non-civil or rude about my comment RMcL. If it makes you feel any better you can substitute either complain, grumble, gripe or moan for the word whine.

Bowhunting whitetails is a passion of mine and has been for over 20 years. For most of that 20 years I've had to listen to people complain, grumble, gripe, moan about bow season being "unfair" because we get a month head start. No one lost any hunting days by the bow season being implemented. Since crossbows were introduced, the complaining, grumbling, griping, moaning has gotten worse. Most bowhunters were against crossbows being allowed because of the way the CAB passed it and rammed it down everyone's throat. It wasn't because a large group of people wanted to allow crossbows. It was because the crossbow manufacturers were greasing the wheels, plain and simple. Because bowhunters spoke out against it, we all got a black eye because of the comments of a few. But one good thing came of it, the CAB cannot bring up and pass a motion like that in one meeting now.


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Originally Posted By: Shaw
It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


best post in the whole damn thread.

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Originally Posted By: Shaw
No it would not RMcL. It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


Core point: Had the February Deer Season shift set up a Pistol Only Special Weapons Season, archery enthusiasts (vertical and horizontal) would have been complaining long and loud against the new special weapons season - right along side the long gun enthusiasts.

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I'm exhausted reading this thread but I know one thing... I agree with BhamFred and ElkHunter... I hear a limb cracking. laugh

When is that tree going to run out of limbs? Like game and fish, you can only crack a limited amount of limbs on a tree before the tree dies. And personally, I don't think "consumers of limb cracking" should be allowed to crack limbs 24/7/365 until the trees are all dead! We need limits and seasons on limb cracking!

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Originally Posted By: RMcL
Originally Posted By: Shaw
No it would not RMcL. It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or whan ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


Core point: Had the February Deer Season shift set up a Pistol Only Special Weapons Season, archery enthusiasts (vertical and horizontal) would have been complaining long and loud against the new special weapons season - right along side the long gun enthusiasts.


I could care less, but that's not really the same argument. If we use your argument, then you'd be taking something AWAY from the bow hunters/long gun hunters...of course they'd be upset. They've lost some of their hunting rights/privileges.

The early bow season has never taken anything away from gun hunters...to my knowledge.

Regardless...crossbows being allowed during bow season for all is nothing more than a plan to sell more crossbows...same way the muzzleloader season being brought in before gun season worked several years ago. It's not as if we had/have people on the CAB who benefit/benefitted financially fro those type of decisions (just like baiting)...right?


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Originally Posted By: Bucktrot
I'm exhausted reading this thread but I know one thing... I agree with BhamFred and ElkHunter... I hear a limb cracking. laugh

When is that tree going to run out of limbs? Like game and fish, you can only crack a limited amount of limbs on a tree before the tree dies. And personally, I don't think "consumers of limb cracking" should be allowed to crack limbs 24/7/365 until the trees are all dead! We need limits and seasons on limb cracking!


So you would like to see me banned from the forum for defending our right to hunt? That's interesting.

It also tells us a lot about you.


One day you may be arguing with someone who does not believe that hunting is a fundamental God-given right, and that hunting should be banned. You may want to save some of my arguments to use when that day comes.

BTW: I happen to agree with Troy, but in a different way than he thinks.

Read how Troy feels about using buckshot in the other thread and you will find a pretty good description of how I feel about using a bow to hunt deer when firearms can be used to hunt deer much more effectively. Then read what the Alabama Supreme Court has said about restrictions on a fundamental right that I have posted below my notes on Heller that follow.


For those of you who feel like restrictions on the use of firearms for hunting have nothing to do with gun control and is a thin limb to go out on, consider what the US Supreme Court said about hunting while defending the Second Amendment protections of the right to "keep and bear arms" when opponents wanted to restrict the right to only their use in a militia.


Here's the weak limb that may help save your right to hunt one day.

Some of the notes I took while reading DC v Heller:

… If “bear arms” means, as we think, simply the carrying of arms, a modifier can limit the purpose of the carriage (“for the purpose of self-defense” or “to make war against the King”). But if “bear arms” means, as the petitioners and the dissent think, the carrying of arms only for military purposes, one simply cannot add “for the purpose of killing game.” The right “to carry arms in the militia for the purpose of killing game” is worthy of the mad hatter. Thus, these purposive qualifying phrases positively establish that “to bear arms” is not limited to military use.

… it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed . . . .”


… It is therefore entirely sensible that the Second Amendment’s prefatory clause announces the purpose for which the right was codified: to prevent elimination of the militia. The prefatory clause does not suggest that preserving the militia was the only reason Americans valued the ancient right; most undoubtedly thought it even more important for self-defense and hunting. But the threat that the new Federal Government would destroy the citizens’ militia by taking away their arms was the reason that right—unlike some other English rights—was codified in a written Constitution. …

… St. George Tucker’s version of Blackstone’s Commentaries, as we explained above, conceived of the Blackstonian arms right as necessary for self-defense. He equated that right, absent the religious and class-based restrictions, with the Second Amendment. See 2 Tucker’s Blackstone 143. In Note D, entitled, “View of the Constitution of the United States,” Tucker elaborated on the Second Amendment: “This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty . . . . The right to self-defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine the right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” 1 id., at App. 300 (ellipsis in original). He believed that the English game laws had abridged the right by prohibiting “keeping a gun or other engine for the destruction of game.” Ibid; see also 2 id., at 143, and nn. 40 and 41. He later grouped the right with some of the individual rights included in the First Amendment and said that if “a law be passed by congress, prohibiting” any of those rights, it would “be the province of the judiciary to pronounce whether any such act were constitutional, or not; and if not, to acquit the accused . . . .” 1 id., at App. 357. It is unlikely that Tucker was referring to a person’s being “accused” of violating a law making it a crime to bear arms in a state militia.


… In his famous Senate speech about the 1856 “Bleeding Kansas” conflict, Charles Sumner proclaimed:
The rifle has ever been the companion of the pioneer and, under God, his tutelary protector against the red man and the beast of the forest. Never was this efficient weapon more needed in just self-defence, than now in Kansas, and at least one article in our National Constitution must be blotted out, before the complete right to it can in any way be impeached. And yet such is the madness of the hour, that, in defiance of the solemn guarantee, embodied in the Amendments to the Constitution, that ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,’

… The freedmen of South Carolina have shown by their peaceful and orderly conduct that they can safely be trusted with fire-arms, and they need them to kill game for subsistence, and to protect their crops from destruction by birds and animals.” Joint Comm. on Reconstruction, H. R. Rep. No. 30, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., pt. 2, p. 229 (1866) (Proposed Circular of Brigadier General R. Saxton).


… We conclude that nothing in our precedents forecloses our adoption of the original understanding of the Second Amendment. It should be unsurprising that such a significant matter has been for so long judicially unresolved. For most of our history, the Bill of Rights was not thought applicable to the States, and the Federal Government did not significantly regulate the possession of firearms bylaw-abiding citizens. Other provisions of the Bill of Rights have similarly remained unilluminated for lengthy periods. This Court first held a law to violate the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of speech in 1931,almost 150 years after the Amendment was ratified, see Near v. Minnesota ex rel. Olson, 283 U. S. 697 (1931), and it was not until after World War II that we held a law invalid under the Establishment Clause, see Illinois ex rel. McCollum v. Board of Ed. of School Dist. No. 71, Cham¬paign Cty., 333 U. S. 203 (1948). Even a question as basic as the scope of proscribable libel was not addressed by this Court until 1964, nearly two centuries after the founding. See New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254 (1964). It is demonstrably not true that, as JUSTICE STEVENS claims, post, at 41–42, “for most of our history, the invalidity of Second-Amendment-based objections to firearms regulations has been well settled and uncontroversial.” For most of our history the question did not present itself.



… We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. Constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures or (yes) even future judges think that scope too broad. We would not apply an “interest-balancing” approach to the prohibition of a peaceful neo-Nazi march through Skokie. See National Socialist Party of America v. Skokie, 432 U. S. 43 (1977) (per curiam).

The First Amendment contains the freedom-of-speech guarantee that the people ratified, which included exceptions for obscenity, libel, and disclosure of state secrets, but not for the expression of extremely unpopular and wrong-headed views. The Second Amendment is no different. Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people—which JUSTICE BREYER would now conduct for them anew. And whatever else it leaves to future evaluation, it surely elevates above all other interests the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.



... and from the Supreme Court of Alabama:


"State action that limits a fundamental right is generally subject to strict scrutiny. Troxel, 530 U.S. at 80, 120 S.Ct. 2054 (Thomas, J., concurring in judgment); Clark v. Jeter, 486 U.S. 456, 461, 108 S.Ct. 1910, 100 L.Ed.2d 465 (1988)

("[C]lassifications affecting fundamental rights ... are given the most exacting scrutiny."); Graham v. Richardson, 403 U.S. 365, 375, 91 S.Ct. 1848, 29 L.Ed.2d 534 (1971)

("It is enough to say that the classification involved... was subjected to strict scrutiny under the compelling state interest test... because it impinged upon the fundamental right of interstate movement."). Strict scrutiny generally requires that the state show a compelling interest, advanced by the least restrictive means. As the United States Supreme Court said in the context of the First Amendment: "The Government may, however, [limit a fundamental right] in order to promote a compelling interest if it chooses the least restrictive means to further the articulated interest. . . .

It is not enough to show that the Government's ends are compelling; the means must be carefully tailored to achieve those ends." Sable Commc'ns of California, Inc. v. FCC, 492 U.S. 115, 126, 109 S.Ct. 2829, 106 L.Ed.2d 93 (1989).

The nature of a compelling interest varies based on the circumstances, but it is a very stringent standard; as the United States Supreme Court said in Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205, 215, 92 S.Ct. 1526, 32 L.Ed.2d 15 (1972): "The essence of all that has been said and written on the subject is that only those interests of the highest order and those not otherwise served can overbalance legitimate claims to" a fundamental right. 406 U.S. at 215, 92 S.Ct. 1526 (emphasis added).

Therefore, "we must searchingly examine the interests the state seeks to promote." 406 U.S. at 221, 92 S.Ct. 1526. See also Troxel, 530 U.S. at 80, 120 S.Ct. 2054 (Thomas, J., concurring) ("Here, the State of Washington lacks even a legitimate governmental interest—to say nothing of a compelling one—in second-guessing a fit parent's decision regarding visitation with third parties.").

The decisions of the trial court and the Court of Civil Appeals here properly applied a clear-and-convincing-evidence standard, as required by Santosky, supra. The clear and convincing evidence must demonstrate, however, that the state has a compelling interest requiring interference with the rights of the parents and that that interest is being advanced by the least restrictive means. The Act fails to provide for the application of this standard."

Ex parte ERG, 73 So. 3d 634 - Ala: Supreme Court 2011



Keep playing with the idea that I'm taking the protections of the right to hunt too far if you like. One day soon, those who think you should never hunt by any means or for any reason may be telling you the same thing.

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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
a shakey skinny limb.....


Let's see if we can get on the same page Troy.

You said:
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... These observations and personal use of buckshot led me to the decision not to use buckshot on deer . I believe one should use the most effective weapon that will get the job done under the worst circumstances of angle/range/target....and buckshot, for me and a LOT of others, hasn't been it.


I bowhunted, and I came to the same conclusion about using a bow instead of firearms to hunt deer.

How would you feel if the Advisory Board said you couldn't use your bow but you could hunt deer with buckshot for the first six weeks of deer season?

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No it would not RMcL. It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


Shaw,

You and the other bow hunters whined about the "greased wheels" of the Advisory Board cramming crossbows down your throats... did you not? Now you're whining because I want to protect my right to hunt from unreasonable restrictions.

Let's get this straight. Hunting is a fundamental right. It is not a privilege to be toyed with by you or anyone else. Neither is keeping and bearing arms to be toyed with. The Pilgrims would never have allowed restrictions from bearing arms for use in hunting, and I won't condone it either.

The people of Alabama recognized that hunting and fishing involve wildlife resources that are not unlimited and must therefore be subject to reasonable restrictions in the interest of all of us.

Your pet bow hunting restrictions on the right of other hunters to hunt on their own lands or on leased lands do not serve the lawful purpose of conserving wildlife in the least restrictive way.

Here's what the Alabama Supreme Court said in a recent opinion about restrictions on a fundamental right like hunting:

"State action that limits a fundamental right is generally subject to strict scrutiny. Troxel, 530 U.S. at 80, 120 S.Ct. 2054 (Thomas, J., concurring in judgment); Clark v. Jeter, 486 U.S. 456, 461, 108 S.Ct. 1910, 100 L.Ed.2d 465 (1988)

("[C]lassifications affecting fundamental rights ... are given the most exacting scrutiny."); Graham v. Richardson, 403 U.S. 365, 375, 91 S.Ct. 1848, 29 L.Ed.2d 534 (1971)

("It is enough to say that the classification involved... was subjected to strict scrutiny under the compelling state interest test... because it impinged upon the fundamental right of interstate movement."). Strict scrutiny generally requires that the state show a compelling interest, advanced by the least restrictive means. As the United States Supreme Court said in the context of the First Amendment: "The Government may, however, [limit a fundamental right] in order to promote a compelling interest if it chooses the least restrictive means to further the articulated interest. . . .


It is not enough to show that the Government's ends are compelling; the means must be carefully tailored to achieve those ends." Sable Commc'ns of California, Inc. v. FCC, 492 U.S. 115, 126, 109 S.Ct. 2829, 106 L.Ed.2d 93 (1989).

The nature of a compelling interest varies based on the circumstances, but it is a very stringent standard; as the United States Supreme Court said in Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205, 215, 92 S.Ct. 1526, 32 L.Ed.2d 15 (1972): "The essence of all that has been said and written on the subject is that only those interests of the highest order and those not otherwise served can overbalance legitimate claims to" a fundamental right. 406 U.S. at 215, 92 S.Ct. 1526 (emphasis added).

Therefore, "we must searchingly examine the interests the state seeks to promote." 406 U.S. at 221, 92 S.Ct. 1526. See also Troxel, 530 U.S. at 80, 120 S.Ct. 2054 (Thomas, J., concurring) ("Here, the State of Washington lacks even a legitimate governmental interest—to say nothing of a compelling one—in second-guessing a fit parent's decision regarding visitation with third parties.").

The decisions of the trial court and the Court of Civil Appeals here properly applied a clear-and-convincing-evidence standard, as required by Santosky, supra. The clear and convincing evidence must demonstrate, however, that the state has a compelling interest requiring interference with the rights of the parents and that that interest is being advanced by the least restrictive means. The Act fails to provide for the application of this standard."

Ex parte ERG, 73 So. 3d 634 - Ala: Supreme Court 2011



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You're really grasping at straws 49er. I knew better than to get involved with this thread. I'm out. Believe I'll go do something a little more constructive, like bang my head against a wall.


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It's hard for people who claim to be conservatives to defend such left-wing abuses of government in their own favor ain't it Shaw?

You don't have to go to Washington to find it... Montgomery is full of it.

While you're banging your head on the wall, think about how little it affects you if I am "allowed" to hunt with a firearm during "bow season" on property you will likely never even see.

You would still be free to hunt any way you please on your property with your bow hunting buddies. It's all about freedom to make our own choices. Limit yourselves in any way you want to and I wouldn't mind that a bit.

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Good hunting anyhow,
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49er, no, I don't want you banned. You have your opinions and I don't "always" agree with you and your opinions are not offensive.

The limb analogy or parity and 24/7/365 was related to you wanting deer season open for that same timeframe and that cracking limbs without regard would lead to a diminished tree population. The analogy was a stretch.

Anyway 49er, you want year round hunting season and I, along with most everyone else, are against that.

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Also 49er... here's the flaw in your reasoning: All you can think about is YOUR right to hunt. You give no consideration to the health of the species you're hunting. The poor doe that just gave birth to, possibly two fawns, would get shot by you in September leaving the fawns to die of starvation or the hen woodduck you'd shoot while she's got several newly hatched ducklings in a hollow tree.

See 49er, it's all about you. Why don't you consider the wildlife you're hunting?

Let me rephrase my example.... because you have zero concern with sex ratios and for some reason, killing a truckload of 1.5 - 2.5 year old 6 points is a big deal to you, your sex ratio would be way off so only a small percentage of does would be bred on their cycle because there are few bucks so your fawns would be pushed back to being born in October and November.

49er, you're a consumer without regard for conservation. At least that's my take.

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49er, no, I don't want you banned. You have your opinions and I don't "always" agree with you and your opinions are not offensive.

The limb analogy or parity and 24/7/365 was related to you wanting deer season open for that same timeframe and that cracking limbs without regard would lead to a diminished tree population. The analogy was a stretch.

Anyway 49er, you want year round hunting season and I, along with most everyone else, are against that.


I am sure you will revert to your typical condescending/pompous responses and I have to admit your ASPCA/HSUS sounding pitch is even lower than I thought you could go (a fawn wandering aimlessly looking for his mother that mean old 49er killed, a starving duckling flailing and unable to swim or fly because heartless 49er killed his mother).

But no, actually some of us are having trouble understanding why a deer killed with a bow in October (or with a muzzleloader in November) is any different or deader than a deer would be if it was killed with a rifle in October/November.

Or why the state trusts muzzleloader hunters to do the right during the last week of archery/muzzleloading season but doesn't trust centerfire hunters? Heck, they even trust kids with firearms for 4 days during archery season, so why not grown-ups?

If the preservation of the species is threatened, close the season. 49er has thoroughly pointed out that action is within the legal purview of the state. If depredation permits can be issued, why can't hunters hunt and keep the meat? Obviously the local herd can take the pressure or the state wouldn't allow, right? If there are enough deer to kill with bows for 6 weeks, why restrict the weapon. It ain't freaking rocket science were talking about; it's making living deer become dead deer, that is the name of the game.


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Also 49er... here's the flaw in your reasoning: All you can think about is YOUR right to hunt. You give no consideration to the health of the species you're hunting. The poor doe that just gave birth to, possibly two fawns, would get shot by you in September leaving the fawns to die of starvation or the hen woodduck you'd shoot while she's got several newly hatched ducklings in a hollow tree.

See 49er, it's all about you. Why don't you consider the wildlife you're hunting?

Let me rephrase my example.... because you have zero concern with sex ratios and for some reason, killing a truckload of 1.5 - 2.5 year old 6 points is a big deal to you, your sex ratio would be way off so only a small percentage of does would be bred on their cycle because there are few bucks so your fawns would be pushed back to being born in October and November.

49er, you're a consumer without regard for conservation. At least that's my take.


Bucktrot since you seem know so much about what Eddie kills, why don't you post them up, you can even start a new thread since this one has been hijacked several times already. I don't know that I have ever seen 49er post any of his kills or his management philosophy other than his saying his club works with a biologist to set harvest/kill goals for their herd on their land. Since he doesn't have the same herd as you have wherever you hunt or I have on the 400 acre bow-only (gasp!) tract of land I have sole permission to hunt in Limestone County, his argument is that it doesn't make sense for the State to dictate a one-size fits-none philosophy of game management. The state says it is all right to kill 3 bucks a year with 2 bucks of choice but at least one of the 3 has to have at least 4 points on one side - do you seriously consider that sound and wise management?


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49er, no, I don't want you banned. You have your opinions and I don't "always" agree with you and your opinions are not offensive.

The limb analogy or parity and 24/7/365 was related to you wanting deer season open for that same timeframe and that cracking limbs without regard would lead to a diminished tree population. The analogy was a stretch.

Anyway 49er, you want year round hunting season and I, along with most everyone else, are against that.


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WMD, I knew it would not be long before you would chime in and express your typical and purposeful inaccurate views and accusations against me. You can't stand any type of conservation that tells you when you can and can't hunt. I'm a great lightening rod for you because I stand for conservation and legitimate and sensible approach to hunting that will ensure hunting's future as well as the game we hunt!.

I am sure you will revert to your typical condescending/pompous responses and I have to admit your ASPCA/HSUS sounding pitch is even lower than I thought you could go (a fawn wandering aimlessly looking for his mother that mean old 49er killed, a starving duckling flailing and unable to swim or fly because heartless 49er killed his mother).

Go ahead and launch your derogatory and baseless labeling of my character. I believe in hunting but I don't believe in cruelty and unregulated hunting and no, I don't particularly like to cause death by starvation by killing a hen wood duck in the spring or a doe in September because in your and 49er's view... which is this: Damn it... it's my right to hunt!!!! So, yes, I have a heart and I have a present and future concern for the game I hunt; I have a concern for the preservation and protection of the "opportunity" of a resource to be a "renewable" resource year after year. In bow season, if the fawn has spots, then no, I don't shoot its mother. If the fawn has lost its spots or the spots are fading, research has shown.... no wait, you can't stand any type of research that goes against your philosophies of unrestrained hunting... but I'll shove it at you anyway... research has shown that when a fawn's spots are gone, it will, most likely, survive just fine without mama. I also believe this... if you "need" to shoot does and I "knew" that spotted fawn was a doe, I'd put an arrow through her as a mouth is a mouth and I put my conservation ahead of my emotion; pretty much like Mother Nature does. My philosophy is very much unlike the animal rights groups you say I side with but that's what you do; you throw mud on the wall to see what will stick, WMD.

But no, actually some of us are having trouble understanding why a deer killed with a bow in October (or with a muzzleloader in November) is any different or deader than a deer would be if it was killed with a rifle in October/November.
So what's your point WMD? I didn't comment on any of this but you're looking for anything to throw at me!! Don't make up stuff that self-benefits you, WMD. First of all, you may not know it but killing a deer with a bow is MUCH harder to do than killing a deer with today's firearms. Yeah, dead is dead.

Or why the state trusts muzzleloader hunters to do the right during the last week of archery/muzzleloading season but doesn't trust centerfire hunters? Heck, they even trust kids with firearms for 4 days during archery season, so why not grown-ups? Again, you're running your mouth to me about something I have not even commented about.

If the preservation of the species is threatened, close the season. WMD, do you really think a majority of hunters are in favor of an unclosed deer/duck/etc... season?? 49er has thoroughly pointed out that action is within the legal purview of the state. Then why don't you and 49er start a movement, WMD?!?! Start it right here on Aldeer and rally the hunters of Alabama that are in favor of a 365 day deer hunting season!! If depredation permits can be issued, why can't hunters hunt and keep the meat? Obviously the local herd can take the pressure or the state wouldn't allow, right? If there are enough deer to kill with bows for 6 weeks, why restrict the weapon. It ain't freaking rocket science were talking about; it's making living deer become dead deer, that is the name of the game. Yep, WMD. Dead deer. Dead ducks. Dead whatever you're hunting! It's not a successful hunt unless you KILL something is it?!? Forget about spending time outdoors and teaching your children about wildlife and conservation and only take the limit and there's not a law that says that you "have" to keep every creek bass up to the limit... you don't have to keep any of the bass you catch in order to have fun!

WMD, you dislike me because I stand up against the "take, take, take" mentality of hunting. You hate it that I'm an advocate of wildlife. I know you hate the fact that I represent conservation and that I don't have to kill something to enjoy the outdoors. But let me tell you something... by God (and I don't mean that disrespectful because I think He's a conservationist like most of us!) I am a HUNTER! Yes, I bow hunt and I shoot coons, hogs, deer or anything that's legal. And to tell you the truth, I shoot coons and hogs without regard for the law. I don't even know how many or when I can or can't shoot coons but if I see one, I shoot it for reasons most of us on this forum understand. So I'm not this high-n-mighty "holyier than thou" snob hunter. I will not hunt inside a high-fence but I don't mind if you do. Oh, and one other thing you try to paint me into a corner with.... Yes I am a QDMer and you try broad-base me into that everyone should shoot every doe they see, regardless... because I'm a member of the QDMA. So let me address it before you throw mud at me. My stance along with QDMA: If you need to kill does, then kill them. If not, then don't. But hell, at least care enough about the herd to make an educated decision!! And instead of bringing the herd down to carrying capacity... improve the habitat so it will carry more deer and benefit all wildlife.






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Again, Bucktrot's response in red.
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Make sure to hit the down arrow in the inside box.

And, I do have a pretty good sense of humor so before the "get yer popcorn" responses come out laugh this is my last response to WMD or 49er.



Originally Posted By: wmd
Originally Posted By: Bucktrot
Also 49er... here's the flaw in your reasoning: All you can think about is YOUR right to hunt. You give no consideration to the health of the species you're hunting. The poor doe that just gave birth to, possibly two fawns, would get shot by you in September leaving the fawns to die of starvation or the hen woodduck you'd shoot while she's got several newly hatched ducklings in a hollow tree.

See 49er, it's all about you. Why don't you consider the wildlife you're hunting?

Let me rephrase my example.... because you have zero concern with sex ratios and for some reason, killing a truckload of 1.5 - 2.5 year old 6 points is a big deal to you, your sex ratio would be way off so only a small percentage of does would be bred on their cycle because there are few bucks so your fawns would be pushed back to being born in October and November.

49er, you're a consumer without regard for conservation. At least that's my take.


Bucktrot since you seem know so much about what Eddie kills, Eddie has posted his opinion more than once regarding his stance that he doesn't want anyone telling him what he can and can't kill and his opinion on hunting restrictions. why don't you post them up, you can even start a new thread since this one has been hijacked several times already. I don't know that I have ever seen 49er post any of his kills or his management philosophy then you're either blind WMD or you pick and chose your ammunition to benefit your cause or stance. I have never seen a picture of his kills but there's no shortage of his posts regarding his stance on mgmt philosophy other than his saying his club works with a biologist to set harvest/kill goals for their herd on their land. Since he doesn't have the same herd as you have wherever you hunt or I have on the 400 acre bow-only (gasp!) I don't give a rat's batooty if you bow, gun or spear hunt, WMD! tract of land I have sole permission to hunt in Limestone County, his argument is that it doesn't make sense for the State to dictate a one-size fits-none philosophy of game management. I agree with you on this as some of the hunters 50 yards north of the line of the extended February hunting season are mad that they weren't included and some are fine with it. It's HARD to please everyone. Maybe Alabama should go to zones. It's a lot to bite off and chew! The state says it is all right to kill 3 bucks a year with 2 bucks of choice but at least one of the 3 has to have at least 4 points on one side - do you seriously consider that sound and wise management? Ya know, I agree. Not every property is alike. If I had 3000 acres and the hunting pressure was low, I would not care what young hunters killed as long as the property could absorb the harvest but you can't let a bunch of mature hunters kill every buck under 3 yrs old that they see!! Traditional deer mgmt for some reason, put a high emphasis on antlers and killing bucks of any age. That led to an overabundance of does and late born fawns, which, is bad for more than the obvious reasons you refuse to read about and understand. My philosophy: Care enough to educate yourself and DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE GAME! It's a win-win situation for the game and the hunter! I don't kill just because it may be legal. I have a game mgmt plan I abide by and I measure how I'm doing via lots of data points. I don't think hunting game 12 months out of the year should be a part of it. But, I may be wrong but that's my stance. If you can generate more support for your 12 month hunting seasons, then go for it. I'll be against you and so will many other hunters. So, kill what's legal as it's the best we have right now, WMD.


I take back why antlers were such a big deal. My dad, who was born in 1923 in South Alabama didn't kill a deer until he was much much older and turkey's were rare as well. I remember him and I sitting on a deer stand while dog-deer hunting and him drilling into my head about conservation and why we don't shoot does (back then). He talked about his participation in turkey restoration and turkeys in pens and only feeding the turkeys at night so they wouldn't associate humans with food and releasing some of them into the wild. I remember thinking that if someone shot a doe, they were going straight to hell. Does were the livelyhood of future deer populations and one buck could service many does so the herd could afford to have bucks killed.

Anyway, that was the best information he had to go on. Things have changed and our herd has changed. However, one thing has not changed and that's my dad's hope that he would instill a basic foundation of conservation in his son and that we make decisions on the best available information that benefits wildlife and put's our desire to shoot and kill second. That's true for medicine and everything else we as human strive to improve. Education and a desire for preservation... it's all we have to go on and I put the welfare and future preservation of game above my desire to burn powder or release 100 gr broadhead. And WMD, I am A LOT less judgmental on what you kill than you would like to portray me.

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49er, no, I don't want you banned. You have your opinions and I don't "always" agree with you and your opinions are not offensive.

The limb analogy or parity and 24/7/365 was related to you wanting deer season open for that same timeframe and that cracking limbs without regard would lead to a diminished tree population. The analogy was a stretch.

Anyway 49er, you want year round hunting season and I, along with most everyone else, are against that.


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WMD, I knew it would not be long before you would chime in and express your typical and purposeful inaccurate views and accusations against me. You can't stand any type of conservation that tells you when you can and can't hunt. I'm a great lightening rod for you because I stand for conservation and legitimate and sensible approach to hunting that will ensure hunting's future as well as the game we hunt!.

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No you are a lightning rod because you a pompous, arrogant hunter who demeans anybody that doesn't hunt like you or have the same standards as you, but then couch it in terms of what is best for the herd and/or in the name of conservation. Or you come back in a subsequent post and blame it on your passion for protecting wildlife or something else to deflect attention from your true views as put forth in your initial statement(s).

I haven't said a thing about year round hunting aside from commenting on ad hominem attacks on 49ers posts. I, like BSK, just would prefer it to be weapon of choice during the currently prescribed deer season.

Since you know so much about how I hunt, tell you what pal, you post up your deer kills for the the last ten years (5 years if you want pictures, because I only have digital picts back to 2008) and I will post up mine. Then you can see how wrong you usually are when you start spouting off about what YOU THINK somebody believes or practices.

One other thing, if you are killing game animals out of season you are a law-breaker and an outlaw no better than somebody shooting deer at night or turkeys in the fall where the season is closed. I hope you get caught and I would turn you in myself if I had the proof of when and where you were breaking Alabama game laws. So don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back because YOU think YOU are protecting a species that YOU think is more important of protection or conservation, you are an outlaw, plain and simple. Don't like the rule start a movement to get it changed. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

FYI, I am member of QDMA and NWTF, too, but I don't believe in forcing my views and standards on others because at the end of the day it just doesn't matter.

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Wow, WMD. You're really getting worked up about this aren't you? Stick with facts and not accusations. Please know that my voice, if I were saying this, would be of calm demeanor and respect.

And, dang it, I said I wouldn't respond but I am. The popcorn crowd may have been right to stop popping it.


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No you are a lightning rod because you a pompous, arrogant hunter who demeans anybody that doesn't hunt like you or have the same standards as you, but then couch it in terms of what is best for the herd and/or in the name of conservation. As stated and with all due respect to you WMD... I don't give a chit what you shoot WMD on your land. I'd rather you take into consideration a conservation approach but as long as you're not on public land, I don't really care. Or come back in a subsequent post and blame it on your passion for protecting wildlife or something else to deflect attention from you true views as put forth in your initial statement(s).

I haven't said a thing about year round hunting aside from commenting on ad hominem attacks on 49ers posts. LOL! WMD, you said this in this thread as it relates to a twelve month deer season! WMD said: If the preservation of the species is threatened, close the season. 49er has thoroughly pointed out that action is within the legal purview of the state. [color:#000000]

I can't get this sentence to be black so this is what WMD said even though it's red: I, like BSK, just would prefer it to be weapon of choice during the currently prescribed deer season.

You point to BSK as a resource and BSK agrees with me and others. BSK himself said that a hunter should harvest from the property no more than what the property can absorb or harvest what your objectives are. If you want to shoot all 1.5 yr old 4 points, I do not care WMD!!! I won't condemn you. Go shoot three 1.5 yr year old bucks and be done with your season if you want WMD and I promise, I don't care!! Shoot what you want on your private land. I'll address my coon killing position later!


Since you know so much about how I hunt, I don't know how you hunt, WMD and if it's on private land, I don't care! But according to a post earlier, YOU said that "if the preservation of the species is threatened, close the season". So what it appears you're saying is that you want a twelve month deer season and if "the species" is threatened, close the season. So NO! I do NOT agree with that and I can only go on what you type, WMD! How dare I challenge you, right? you what pal, you post up your deer kills for the the last ten years (5 years if you want pictures, because I only have digital picts back to 2008) and I will post up mine. Then you can see how wrong you usually are when you start spouting off about what YOU THINK somebody believes or practices. I'm giggling now!! WMD, I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU HAVE KILLED! Why do you think I do?!?! I don't have to prove anything to you and you don't have to prove anything to me because I do NOT care WMD! I am chuckling.

One other thing, if you are killing game animals out of season you (you're talking about coons (you're throwing mud again) but you're trying to position it that I'm killing "game animals" out of season. The last coon I shot was the last weekend of deer season and I shot it with my bow one afternoon. So if I shoot a coon at night, that's as bad as shooting a deer at night? Really? Well, think that, then!!! WMD, I don't care if you think the two are the same. I shoot coons when I can if it's safe to do so as in not dangerous to livestock, pets, private property or people. That's just my honest position. Go ahead, paint me as an outlaw. are a law-breaker and an outlaw no better than somebody shooting deer at night or turkeys in the fall where the season is closed. I hope you get caught and I would turn you in myself if I had the proof of when and where you were breaking Alabama game laws. So don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back because YOU think YOU are protecting a species that YOU think is more important of protection or conservation, you are an outlaw, plain and simple. I think most turkey hunters and duck hunters would back me on this one, but I may be wrong, but cast a stone if you wish, WMD. Don't like the rule start a movement to get it changed. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

FYI, I am member of QDMA and NWTF, too, That's great, WMD. Glad to see you're interested in postive wildlife mgmt! but I don't believe in forcing my views and standards on others because at the end of the day it just doesn't matter. [/quote] No WMD. You're wrong in that your voice does matter!! Every American has a right to voice his or her opinion. I'm not for restricting your voice/opinion. You'd unfairly paint me as such. I'm not forcing my beliefs on you, WMD. I am just stating that I don't believe in an open 12 month deer season and that there needs to be bag limits and seasons and it is my belief that all hunters should abide by hunting ethics set forth by game law that ensures a future of hunting and the species. Collectively, we're all responsible. Now I do not think that our system is 100% foolproof as it is my opinion that some of the decision making boards are made up of people whose one and only reason why they're sitting on the board has more to do with $ than conservation experience. That's just my opinion.

WMD, I try to kill every coon, yote and hog I see. I give passes to foxes and bobcats (no good reason, it's just my choice as I like watching them) but you're welcome to kill them if you'd like and I won't complain or look down on you. smile

WMD, do you really want to have me arrested for killing too many raccoons or shooting one out of season? If so, man, you've got some major anger issues towards me.

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Bucktrot - your words in red pal, not mine, "And to tell you the truth, I shoot coons and hogs without regard for the law. I don't even know how many or when I can or can't shoot coons but if I see one, I shoot it for reasons most of us on this forum understand." I just don't like killing stuff just to kill it whether it be a snake, armadillo, coon, bobcat, or coyote, but that's just me. Keep doing it if its legal, no bashing from me. I wish the fur market would rebound so more folks would want to kill some of the aforementioned and do something with them besides just leaving them dead in the woods.

N2TRKYS and ElkHunter made the jump from weapon of choice during any open deer season equating to wanting year round deer season, when my initial comment (to which BSK concurred) was that it shouldn't matter what weapon is used to kill deer in Alabama from 10/15-01/31, as long as you follow the limits stated in the current rule/reg/law. You made the even more ridiculous jump that we just want to shoot 1.5 and 2.5 y.o. bucks and let fawns and duckling die.

No I am not advocating for a year round season statewide and I don't think 49er is either. He was just pointing out that it is in the power of the state to close deer season but it makes no legal/moral sense to close it in an area if the population is such that it is damaging the environment (thus requiring depredation permits where the killer has to leave the animals on the ground for the coyotes and other scavengers - although they got to eat too). I hunt about 25 days a season and am usually ready for it be over long before 1/31 but keep going because my 11 year old likes to hunt more than I do.

Since I don't get on here and thump my chest about how I only kill a certain number of a certain age class of buck you or anybody else on here wouldn't know that I have killed 11 bucks in the last 10 years, one was a 1.5 y.o., the rest have been 3+ with several being 4+. So, what one believes and practices versus what one thinks others should be able to practice that we seem to agree on (probably 49er too, but I have never seen him post what he and his club kills), although some of your statements don't always convey that. It is often your broad brush with hyperbole that comes across as arrogance that I disagree with.


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WMD, the only thing I have suggested is that hunters take into consideration the wildlife when enjoying the resource. I will condemn poachers and hunters who kill without regard so that they can brag about how many deer or ducks or whatever they kill.

I have always been an advocate for allowing young hunters to shoot whatever.

I have NEVER EVER stated on this forum or bragged about how many and what kind of bucks I've killed. To be honest, I'm disappointed that I haven't killed more mature bucks but yes, I bow hunt mature bucks and I don't apologize for it. That's just what I do.

When you and 49er jump on the QDMA I will defend this organization to the end. The QDMA manages like its name and that's Quality as a quality deer herd and when hunters put bragging rights ahead of herd health, yeah, I'll chime in. There is no doubt that a heavily skewed doe population with a heavily hunted buck population results in an unhealthy deer herd and all the reasons for a more balanced sex ratio just makes sense. You may not like a member of the QDMA but so shoot the messenger not the ideology.

So, yes, I'm in favor of "management" for herd health. Call it pompous or insincere but my reasoning for management isn't because I ONLY want record book bucks. Yes, I hunt in clubs where we manage for at least 3 yr old bucks and 4 yr olds would be better and we try to keep our sex ratio in balance. But I am NOT in favor of hell, fire and damnation to the hunter that makes a mistake and shoots a younger buck. We all make mistakes and I am likely to make one myself. I am in favor of kids being able to experience a kill of any size. I'm not so blinded by inches of antlers that I can't see the broad enjoyment of hunting and being in nature.

I'm not arrogant nor an elitist but I do loath the hunter that "takes" and doesn't give back and I make no apologies for that. And, I'm not for calling out a hunter for taking a 2 yr old buck. You never know the circumstances and if he or she is happy, then I am happy.

Reading what you've killed over the last several years, it sounds like you're being very selective on what you shoot and I'm not going to question your sincerity on that. You have a son and I would never question what he shoots.

This is what I truly believe: "Be a conscientious "manager" of wildlife; not an unconcerned consumer of it!" If you (and I don't mean you, WMD) don't respect wildlife and hunting conservation, then I have no use for you. If you're willing to take from our natural resources, then be willing to give back too.

I'm sincere in that stance and I think it's the only thing that the general public will accept as hunters are such a small part of the "voting" population.

Two years ago, I shot a 127" eight point in IL on "public land" with my bow and was proud as I could be. Hunting public land? That's not an elitist or arrogant hunter. I'm pretty laid back and I am sorry if I have sounded pompous.

Glad to hear that you don't support a 12 month deer season as when Jan 31st gets here, I'm glad the season is over.

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Oh, WMD, I still am going to shoot every coon I see! And if I see a hog this summer on my property and it happens to be at night.... well, I might put a hunk of lead in him. grin

Sorry folks for taking over this thread while WMD and I discuss our views. I'd like to think that WMD and I have more in common than we first thought.

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I just checked in this post and figured something went awyry after 5 pages. Damn, I thought this forum was over the crossbow teenage years.


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I am over it. But, this thread has taken about 10 turns since it was started. LOL


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When is handgun season?


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Originally Posted By: Clem
When is handgun season?


Two weeks after Spear Season, and just before Wet Noodle Season. April, I think.


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only a narrow minded person sees the "crossbow thing" as a one time happening...

the CABs handling of the fall turkey season attempted closures shows the still ongoing probs with the CAB.

The CAB tried to ram the crossbow issue down our throats without popular hunter support and have tried to do the same thing with the fall closures. The CAB was set up to take input from citizen hunters and pass it on to the DCNR. Now the make up their own ideas and push em on the DCNR as if the great populace wanted those things done. Long way from the truth AND the reason the CAB was set up.

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Originally Posted By: striker6126
Originally Posted By: Shaw
It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


best post in the whole damn thread.


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ok i have no beef with deer season, starting for archery 3 deer per year no guns, none archery only no matter who you are a nice long deer season with stick& string.


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now it looks like i need to buy a recurve if i am not allowed to use my compound. is that fair on a fixed in come can't drive. got to buy a different bow to hunti don't have a hand cannon to use but you should not use firearms during archery season, just use a 100 yard acurate crossbow. instead can we get a concealed carry permit for a crossbow?

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Originally Posted By: Blackhawk
now it looks like i need to buy a recurve if i am not allowed to use my compound. is that fair on a fixed in come can't drive. got to buy a different bow to hunti don't have a hand cannon to use but you should not used firearms during archery season, just use a 100 yard acurate crossbow. instead can we get a concealed carry permit for a crossbow?


Why would you want to conceal your crossbow, Blackhawk?

I don't conceal my Ruger Blackhawk .45 Long Colt when I hunt with it.

If I use it to hunt deer with during bow season, what harm have I caused the bow hunting liberals who whine about it? I bet they would never know the difference would they?


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Originally Posted By: Blackhawk
now it looks like i need to buy a recurve if i am not allowed to use my compound. is that fair on a fixed in come can't drive. got to buy a different bow to hunti don't have a hand cannon to use but you should not used firearms during archery season, just use a 100 yard acurate crossbow. instead can we get a concealed carry permit for a crossbow?

Why would you not be allowed to use your compond?


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Recon what they would say if I got a connected CAB member to pitch a proposal for shortened archery season for those with compounds and leave the rest of the season for recurves??
copy & paste from what goobler saidon page 1i might need a recurves if she has her way.true i am GOING TO TRY TOT try aso Type with TWO HANDS NOW IT FEELS WEIRD DOING THAT.


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Recon what they would say if I got a connected CAB member to pitch a proposal for shortened archery season for those with compounds and leave the rest of the season for recurves??
copy & paste from what goobler saidon page 1i might need a recurves if she has her way.true i am GOING TO TRY TOT try aso Type with TWO HANDS NOW IT FEELS WEIRD DOING THAT.


You have nothing to worry about then......gobbler was just trying to be funny


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gobbler was just trying to be funny


You sure?? grin


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Recon what they would say if I got a connected CAB member to pitch a proposal for shortened archery season for those with compounds and leave the rest of the season for recurves??


Great idea. Don't forget to include longbows and self bows, too, in the new recurve season.


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Originally Posted By: leroycnbucks
Originally Posted By: striker6126
Originally Posted By: Shaw
It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


best post in the whole damn thread.


Absolutely!


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Originally Posted By: Bowhunter84

Originally Posted By: leroycnbucks
Originally Posted By: striker6126
Originally Posted By: Shaw
It's simple. If you want the extra hunting time get a bow, crossbow, spear, pistol, slingshot, rock or what ever and take advantage of the special seasons. If not don't sit around and whine about those of us that do. This argument makes absolutely no sense at all.


best post in the whole damn thread.


Absolutely!


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Do you guys really think the people at DCNR should be given free reign to set hunting seasons for any reason they choose?

What if a new administration comes in that ain't bow friendly. Will you be good if they ban using bows during gun season, or will you "whine" about it like you did when crossbows were allowed in "your" season or when they threaten to shorten "your" days due to a February season?

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You get roughly 100 days a year to kill deer. Be it with a bow, rifle, slingshot or your bare hands. WTF is there to complain about?


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Originally Posted By: IDOT
You get roughly 100 days a year to kill deer. Be it with a bow, rifle, slingshot or your bare hands. WTF is there to complain about?



A little group of men in Montgomery that are defining the free exercise of a fundamental right as a crime.

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You get roughly 100 days a year to kill deer. Be it with a bow, rifle, slingshot or your bare hands. WTF is there to complain about?



A little group of men in Montgomery that are defining the free exercise of a fundamental right as a crime.


So in that 100 days you have to kill a deer, what EXACTLY is it that has your ass chapped? Don't copy and paste bullschit, I want to know WHAT IS CHAPPING YOUR ASS. What is your little hunting utopia that you so eagerly pursue?


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So in that 100 days you have to kill a deer, what EXACTLY is it that has your ass chapped? Don't copy and paste bullschit, I want to know WHAT IS CHAPPING YOUR ASS. What is your little hunting utopia that you so eagerly pursue?


Sounds like YOUR ass is chapped.



[cut and pasted anyhow] There I go breaking another one of your rules.

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this rant is too funny .


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So in that 100 days you have to kill a deer, what EXACTLY is it that has your ass chapped? Don't copy and paste bullschit, I want to know WHAT IS CHAPPING YOUR ASS. What is your little hunting utopia that you so eagerly pursue?


Sounds like YOUR ass is chapped.



[cut and pasted anyhow] There I go breaking another one of your rules.



Well damn, I was looking forward to the answer to his question.

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From another thread:

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Constitution of Alabama 1901

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Code of Alabama 1975
Title 9

If you don't know what I'm talking about, try reading them sometimes.

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Just wait until the CAB declares .35 caliber and up air guns as legal instruments of take during the New Archery & Special Weapons Season.

Then this thread will really achieve "lift-off" from unintended chapstick ignition!

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: hunterbuck] #602449
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
The *only* problem I have with compound bows is that we've probably had 20 times more deer injured and lost with them than with guns on our club. I've talked to several people with similar stories. A lot less misses, but a lot more deer running away, never to be seen again with a arrow in them rather than an bullet. I don't know if it's because people are taking longer shots than the should with the compound, less concentration on making a good shot, older/younger (than the normal gunhunting crowd) people getting out there with compounds, or what...but it's a fact on our club.


There fixed it for ya. Funny how that was so easy to turn around on ya.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BhamFred] #602464
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred


The CAB tried to ram the crossbow issue down our throats without popular hunter support


I respectfully disagree. Just because BHA was very vocally against that issue does not mean there wasn't a huge amount of support from hunters across this state. I am still waiting on all those deer killed at 80 yards and the big increase in night hunting caused by legalizing crossbows. It did allow more women and children to participate in this great sport and that alone is good enough for me to support it. I killed my first deer via the crossbow last season and I can tell you that IMHO they are FAR LESS lethal than a real good compound bow in the hands of a good shooter.


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Originally Posted By: Firefighter Bill
Originally Posted By: BhamFred


The CAB tried to ram the crossbow issue down our throats without popular hunter support


I respectfully disagree. Just because BHA was very vocally against that issue does not mean there wasn't a huge amount of support from hunters across this state. I am still waiting on all those deer killed at 80 yards and the big increase in night hunting caused by legalizing crossbows. It did allow more women and children to participate in this great sport and that alone is good enough for me to support it. I killed my first deer via the crossbow last season and I can tell you that IMHO they are FAR LESS lethal than a real good compound bow in the hands of a good shooter.


you know not of what you speak if you say there was popular support for crossbows in regular bow season. I was a working GW then, in contact daily with hunters, esp bowhunters. In the years before the CAB legalized crossbows I had not one hunter ever propose to allow crossbows to be a legal bow season weapon. That was a damn lie told by the CAB and commish at the time.

I have no issues with crossbows in bow season, just the way the CAB lied and shoved crossbows down our throats at the time.


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...The proposed rules prompted debate throughout the summer in a state where hunting is family tradition. A public comment period drew 3,022 responses, with more than three-fourths of them favorable. Legislators said they had been flooded with letters, phone calls and e-mails that were reminiscent of past debates over creating a state lottery...


The Florida Times Union *** click here ***

It was even news in Florida.


Looks like we wound up with crossbows during "bow" season and an alligator lottery to boot.

Screw the law. We've got a Board. ... and the Board's got buddies to take care of.

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More proof that it's all about science and biology when the Advisory Board makes its decisions:


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Hunting rules changes send shock waves
Sunday, May 23, 2004
GULF SHORES -- For those who have always believed that the Conservation Advisory Board is just a puppet for the desires of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries, May 22, 2004, will always be independence day.

For those traditionalists who believe anything that makes hunting easier is a sin, May 22, 2004, will always be the day Alabama's great outdoors went to hell in a hand basket.

An unusually liberal board stunned most everybody Saturday in Gulf Shores by passing controversial measures that would have never even come up for consideration in years past. [ grin ]

First, the board legalized the use of turkey decoys. And just when the crowd was recovering from that shock, the board approved the use of crossbows for all hunters. Just when traditionalists were on their last breath, the board approved the use of scopes on muzzleloaders.

At least in terms of hunting in Alabama, it will be a day that lives in infamy.

It was day where veterans of advisory board meetings clearly saw a changing of the guard. Charles Kelly, the retired Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries director who fought against such changes for much of his 39 years in that position, appeared before the board to once again protest against making turkey hunting easier.

His impassioned plea tried to shame board members by explaining that a turkey hunter has a brain the size of a softball, the turkey a brain the size of a marble. Hunters have camouflage, blinds, turkey calls and guns that will shoot 50 yards. Hunters should be embarrassed to ask for more help, he explained.

The board thanked him for his comments and then voted to approve decoys. The vote was especially sticky for board chairman Dan Moultrie who does not vote on issues except in the case of a tie. With the board deadlocked 5-5, Moultrie had to stand before Kelly, his longtime friend, and announce his decision. He voted for decoys.

The biggest loser of the day had to be the Bowhunters of Alabama. The 1,500-member organization has always been a trusted ally of the board and the board's most trusted adviser on bow-hunting issues.

On record as passionately opposing crossbows, the board did not inform the group that legalizing crossbows was even in the works. The quick motion and unanimous vote left BHA President Randy Yeargin in stunned disbelief.

We knew absolutely nothing about this, he said.

To rub salt in the wounds, the board went against BHA pleas to not back up a special muzzleloader season any further in the bow-hunting only season that runs Oct. 15 through the first three weeks of November. The board, which gave muzzleloaders its first three-day season during bow season last year, added two more days to create a special muzzleloader season from Nov. 15 to Nov. 19.

The board also voted to ban hunting with dogs in portions of Conecuh, Crenshaw and Winston counties and to make dog hunting in Henry, Covington and Geneva counties by permit only. Mike Bolton's outdoors column appears every Sunday.


Mike Bolton, al.com news archives from 2004

[I added a tad of emphasis] grin

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...The proposed rules prompted debate throughout the summer in a state where hunting is family tradition. A public comment period drew 3,022 responses, with more than three-fourths of them favorable. Legislators said they had been flooded with letters, phone calls and e-mails that were reminiscent of past debates over creating a state lottery...


The Florida Times Union *** click here ***

It was even news in Florida.


Looks like we wound up with crossbows during "bow" season and an alligator lottery to boot.

Screw the law. We've got a Board. ... and the Board's got buddies to take care of.
Someone please tell me this baffoon was not serious.
Bob Nesbitt, a Birmingham banker and avid bow hunter, said young people are drawn to crossbows because of their use in the popular "Lord of the Rings" movies, and many of them will show up in the woods next month without any training.

"This is a disaster waiting to happen," he said.
As i recall the coolest character in the movie was the elf that shot a recurve and im pretty sure this banker clown dont shoot a recurve.All the people i know would much rather shoot a compound than a crossbow but most of the people i know who shoot crossbows are doing so because of an injury.This is the stupidest argument ive seen in forever.Who gives a shucks if someone wants to dive out of an acorn tree with a knife and stab the deer.If he can do it ethically than so be it.This is the exact reason i lease 700 acres all to myself because you just cant get people to think logical when deer are involved.

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You sayin' it wasn't a science based decision or something?

Just look at all that science that was involved!!!

Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #642798
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lol i would like to see the author draw it back and hold it at full draw. if he could he could beat me any day.if he can't then he is no different from any of us your not drawing 150 pounds and holding it i don't care who you are


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: striker6126] #642804
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Originally Posted By: striker6126
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Tatsoul if you want to think that hunting with an crossbow is the same more power to you, but like you I have shot both and I know it is not. I also know way too many people that have given up their bows for crossbows to believe they are the same. That being said have fun with yours and one day if I have to use one for medical reasons I will too.

paralysed laft shoulder last year kept me from shooting a bow, i bet maybe my crssbow who knows i didn't try. but out of the respect for the deer i am shooting my compound and getting stronger all the time to pull it. i have not ever in the past contacted a GW about making crossbows legal to hunt deer i did at the expo tell one i wis h it was legal during turkey season, but now that i am better i no longer feel that way i would love to kill a turkey with my Diamond. using these razor tricks.i am calm now unlike last april.i was being run out of the house my wife called my son and ex wife to come get my guns and take them to tennessee. that is not all that got gone like my KBar marine fighting knife wento tn. that stuff should be against the law, i know should is a powerful word but not powerful enough to keep my stuff here.
my experience is just the opposite . I do not know anyone that has given up their vertical bow for a x bow without a injury.

I own both and have not shot the x bow in years . I also agree I would use the x bow if I could not shoot my vertical bow.
as for some thinking the crossbow is less powerful , and at long ranges that is true i mean like at 100 yard the compound has more power due to the much longer power stroke an arrow carring the ke futher, than short light crossbow arrows, the lose there momemntum quickly. most ethical x bow hunter woin't shoot past 40 yards that is most limits of being able to acurately hit your target. when i logged in i laughed , ok who opened this can of worms.:) the croosbow don't shoot bolts you get those at the hardware store. they shoot arras. i thought was arrows. mine have 4"plastic vanes and screw in points moon nocs. bolts have none of that. they get attach to nuts. not mine i mean.a lot can be said about compounds an long bow, and recurves, they carry a long ways doesn't mean they are more powerful.i am not going to fall for this one again you ain't making me mad again, with the lack of logic.i still think tha tauthor would complain if you hung him with a new rope.:)

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Blackhawk] #642806
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you know not of what you speak if you say there was popular support for crossbows in regular bow season. I was a working GW then, in contact daily with hunters, esp bowhunters. In the years before the CAB legalized crossbows I had not one hunter ever propose to allow crossbows to be a legal bow season weapon. That was a damn lie told by the CAB and commish at the time.


Absolute spot on truth. There was no significant number of people calling for the inclusion of crossbows in archery season. This was not a move made in response to the desires of the people. It was a move made because Crossbow companies bribed the right people in order to set up a situation where they could sell a lot of crossbows to gun hunters. That's it in a nut shell.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #642809
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i can remember when i could not pick up my bow much less my crossbow now i am a ot stronger i can do with my left arm almmost what i used to do . not toallly rehabed yet but close. once i am allowed to drive again. i will go bow hunting for deer and pigs, only as long as i can get them out of the woods , like last year i could not squat down to field dress one without falling over. now i can so i can do the game right and take care of it. this fall i will.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #642810
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if you want to challenge crossbows go read in crosbow nations forum. you will learn a lot about them, also go to horozantal bow hunter magazine they will tell uou a lot of truth. the compound will kill father away.i miss my fire fox browser i bet ya'll do to it has spell checker this i.e. don't.i never said i could spell.i am glad to see a GW IN HERE THAT CALLS ASPADE A SPADE.DETERMINATION HAS GOT ME THIS FAR ALONG, MY EYE SIGHT IS GETTING BETTER I STILL CAN'T HEAR THUNDER.I WONDER IF I CAN HEAR A DEER WALKING, AS LONG AS I SEE IT I AM GOOD.:)I HAVE BEEN AROUND TOO MANY GUNS AND HELICOPTERS OVER THE LAST 28 YEARS THE VA GAVE ME HEARNG AIDS. smile LAST WINTER PAUL TOOK ME DUCK HUNTING I DIDN'T HEAR THE DUCK, BUT SAW THE MOVEMENT QUACKED ON MY DUCK COMMANDER CALL THEN IT PLOPPED IN THE DECOYS TO EARLY TO SHOOT THANK GOOD NESS PAUL HAD A WATCH, HE SHOT IT AFTER LEGAL TIME IT ATE GOOD WITH THE RED BEANS &RICE NOT LONG AGO.:)


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BSK] #642884
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Originally Posted By: BSK
[/quote]And that's exactly why I'm an advocate of just having a "deer season," and letting hunters decide what weapon they want to hunt with. Get over all these "special weapons" seasons, the only purpose for which are to provide a few people with more exclusive hunting time.


"Only purpose", I am very surprised you said that. I would think the tax revenue from the sale of archery equipment is another big reason.

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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #642900
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Ive killed a deer with an Xbow. Who cares.

A bow, rifle, xbow will all kill them.

Anything else is grown men bitching...

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lol true i love my xbow if it was as quite as my compound it would be the deadliest thing on earth. thumbupalong with my slick tricks thumbup


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BhamFred] #643480
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: Firefighter Bill
Originally Posted By: BhamFred


The CAB tried to ram the crossbow issue down our throats without popular hunter support


I respectfully disagree. Just because BHA was very vocally against that issue does not mean there wasn't a huge amount of support from hunters across this state. I am still waiting on all those deer killed at 80 yards and the big increase in night hunting caused by legalizing crossbows. It did allow more women and children to participate in this great sport and that alone is good enough for me to support it. I killed my first deer via the crossbow last season and I can tell you that IMHO they are FAR LESS lethal than a real good compound bow in the hands of a good shooter.


you know not of what you speak if you say there was popular support for crossbows in regular bow season. I was a working GW then, in contact daily with hunters, esp bowhunters. In the years before the CAB legalized crossbows I had not one hunter ever propose to allow crossbows to be a legal bow season weapon. That was a damn lie told by the CAB and commish at the time.

I have no issues with crossbows in bow season, just the way the CAB lied and shoved crossbows down our throats at the time.


So since most of your contacts were with bowhunters dontcha think your view might have been skewed?
I have never proposed to warden any change in the law. That would be kinda like someone proposing to me that arson be legalized,haha.
It had never been thought to be possible to change so most folks never brought it up. After the CAB started getting serious about it I heard FAR more support from the pro xbow side. Just not as loud and obnoxious as the anti side but more of them around Cullman and Winston counties. Still is lots of support for it here. I never cared personally but I did buy a xbow last year and it will be for sale shortly. They are way too loud to be as good as a good compound.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #643645
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My view was not "skewed" as you say, there was NO huge wave of popular support for crossbows. Not unless you counted all the crossbow manufacturers that showed up for the fight. I'm not saying there was no support for crossbows, just not what the CAB said there was.

All of a sudden, all across the US there is a mad demand for crossbows, led by the manufacturers, and compliant CAB/DCNRs????? Just out of the blue, one state after another??? This was a calculated move by the manufacturers to increase sales, nothing else.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: BhamFred] #643655
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
My view was not "skewed" as you say, there was NO huge wave of popular support for crossbows. Not unless you counted all the crossbow manufacturers that showed up for the fight. I'm not saying there was no support for crossbows, just not what the CAB said there was.

All of a sudden, all across the US there is a mad demand for crossbows, led by the manufacturers, and compliant CAB/DCNRs????? Just out of the blue, one state after another??? This was a calculated move by the manufacturers to increase sales, nothing else.
9102901001800062788385al of a sudden there is a mad demand for crossbows well leran to hit with what you got, leave the crossbows alone don't put your finger on top of the flight rail then shoot it the finger will be gone after 150pound pull string ripes them off. not pretty what will happen to your poor fingers.seems to me the huge waves was in 2007 this is 2013 so carry on. the calculated move went with the cab this past vote i mean duh who i s shooting crossbow early next year:)thanks to crossbow companies kicking back to the cab is why your season got changed, and where you get to hunt

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This thread reminds me of the guy that thinks of something he should have said in an argument so he starts another one so he can use it. Why else bring up a thread that has been silent for 2 months?


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #643664
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lol i thought last night when i saw it and laughed let it go. some people can't leave well enough alone it was good and quite until last night. then someone just had to try to stir the pot. i didn't bite.:)


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Blackhawk, you're the one that started it back up the night before last with this post:

Originally Posted By: Blackhawk
lol i would like to see the author draw it back and hold it at full draw. if he could he could beat me any day.if he can't then he is no different from any of us your not drawing 150 pounds and holding it i don't care who you are






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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Shaw] #643876
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Haha yep you restarted it and had 4 or the first 5 posts after it restarted. Pot meet Kettle............


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #643882
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The year it was passed, I did some research to see just how many people had actually attended the CAB meetings asking for crossbows to be legalized. There was 1. Big Jack had asked a few times over the prior 5 years. And he already had an exemption to use one.

So, Troy is correct. There was no outcry. Carry on.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #643944
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thank you Barry.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: ElkHunter] #644628
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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
The year it was passed, I did some research to see just how many people had actually attended the CAB meetings asking for crossbows to be legalized. There was 1. Big Jack had asked a few times over the prior 5 years. And he already had an exemption to use one.

So, Troy is correct. There was no outcry. Carry on.


And I agree that there was no outcry before the CAB brought it up the first time. There was however many folks for it after the CAB started kicking the idea around. You think all the hundreds if not thousands of people who bought xbows within a couple of years after it changed were against it passing?


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #644635
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And most people who were against it, if they will give an honest answer will say now that they have no problem with it because there were no noticeable negative differences after the change. No increase in night hunting, no deer killed at 125 yards with xbows but lots more kids and women hunting during archery season.


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Re: Crossbows in bow season? [Re: Ponderosa] #644711
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I was against, very outspoken about the CABs motives and methods. I have no problem with crossbow users. Heck, I think it ought to be legal to kill em with a rock, bat, coke bottle, etc......

I don't think the "hundreds, if not thousands" were against it, they didn't have an opinion either way. But there sure as hell was NO groundswell of support for crossbows except in the CABs announcements...just wasn't there. I said as much back then and had the Commish asking for a record of my posts on the subject.


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