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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: dattangdiff]
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04/01/13 05:44 AM
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jmj120
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Yeah Bama is behind for sure. But hey i don't get to make the rules I just have to play by them.
It amazes me they implement the "honor system" for tags, but they don't trust clubs and leases to make decisions regarding corn. This "area" rule is the dumbest thing I've seen in years. Even if made totally legal, our lease will not do it, but the thought process of the CAB amazes me.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: dattangdiff]
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04/01/13 09:40 AM
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jmj120
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Yeah I want to understand the logic but I don't think there is any. Really made it tough on clubs. We have got to decide and out of everything I have seen suggested either not allow it or have designated places are the only realistic and fair options Yeah, it creates a whole new set of problems. We just are not going to allow it at all. We don't even allow corn in the off-season for game cameras.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: jmj120]
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04/01/13 01:22 PM
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Jefferson
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Talked to warden again yday and he said they are just gonna write more hunters orange tickets, licenses not actually on the hunters and deer not marked or called in whichever they go with.
He said they were meeting in a month or so to go over this and learn exactly how they are goin to police this new rule.
As a club board member I wished they had either left it alone or jus made it legal. Reason being if one guys puts it out and another gets to close not knowing its there he gets a ticket. This sucks ! The government NEVER does anything for you, but they certainly do things to you!! If they make baiting legal they should make spotlighting legal! WHAT???????????????? LOL!!!! To some a dead deer is a dead deer no matter whether it is killed with a spear along a trail or killed with a howitzer standing over a pile of corn, so why would spotlighting and shooting a deer be any different?? Before the issue of safety is brought up, the other methods have safety concerns also. What it boils down to is where does the line get drawn for ways to kill a deer?? It seems that more and more people want the absolute easiest way to do it, so where does it stop?? Just questions to ponder when one starts thinking about ways to take advantage at any cost. That is the craziest reasoning I've ever seen. Just more of Alabama's backwards arse way of doing things. Is it easier to kill a deer in Texas or Florida?? Think outside the box every now and again. Read the second post and let me know what the difference is. I live outside the box by the way. Deer hunting is not mine or anybody else's life or death, so kill'em at any cost the easiest way possible just isn't required or neeeded, but apparently there is a whole lot of WANTING. Sad really when you think about it.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: LIOJeff]
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04/01/13 01:34 PM
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I won't pay good money for corn to feed a damned old wood goat, if you see me buying corn it will be mixed with egg & buttermilk & baked until golden brown. I'll let my dumbazz neighbors feed corn & I'll put my stand on the property line.
"When you've stared down the barrel of a shotgun in your own home, 3rd & 20 don't seem too bad"......Ken "Snake" Stabler
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: LIOJeff]
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04/01/13 01:56 PM
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nothing to be confused about to get some deer chow. and feed the deer.....
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: dattangdiff]
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04/02/13 06:04 AM
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The only thing I WANT is to make the right choice for our club. And it will be based on what OUR board wants. I get on this site caused I'm bored to death and after gettin hammered by someone I've never met I usually don't get back on here for a while. You don't know me or my hunting ethics or desires.
It doesn't hurt to get hammered on aldeer; happens to me all the time.  Just keep posting and don't worry about it. And I think y'all should put out lots of corn right on my property line. Please send me a map of the locations. 
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: dattangdiff]
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04/02/13 12:15 PM
04/02/13 12:15 PM
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Jefferson
Fun4all
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And fun4all that was directed to you as I assume ur comment about wanting was directed at me Nope, not directed at you, but glad you are working on what is good for your club. My point is, instead of getting out there and hunting to best the deer in his house there are an awful lot of people (yes, word chosen for a reason) that would rather use any and every short cut to make deer change their habits and make it easier to kill a deer. It is not needed unless your life depends on it, does yours?
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: LIOJeff]
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04/02/13 01:26 PM
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Thanks 49er.
But, how can there be a presumption that bait or feed is NOT a lure, attraction or enticement to a deer or hog??????? If there is no lure, attraction or enticement how can it be bait or feed???
It is completely STUPID wording. And of course, nothing is said about just exactly when a person is hunting?? What if a person is walking to his "stand", but goes by and put more "bait"/"feed" out and is 70 yards away from the "bait"/"feed" and sees a deer heading in his direction 100 yards away, is he hunting then? Or, does it only count as hunting when he gets to his "stand"??
Typical Government BS?
A couple of other things, how does any of this "protect the public"? Or, how does the absence of this proposed rule "significantly harm or endanger public health, welfare or safety"?? Up until there was a wantfest there has not been significant harm or danger to public health, welfare or safety, so per SOP the "officials" are making things up to solve a made up "crisis". Fine governing right there!!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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04/02/13 03:02 PM
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The only thing I WANT is to make the right choice for our club. And it will be based on what OUR board wants. I get on this site caused I'm bored to death and after gettin hammered by someone I've never met I usually don't get back on here for a while. You don't know me or my hunting ethics or desires.
It doesn't hurt to get hammered on aldeer; happens to me all the time. Just keep posting and don't worry about it. And I think y'all should put out lots of corn right on my property line. Please send me a map of the locations. Wow, it happens to other people besides me? 
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: dattangdiff]
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04/02/13 03:16 PM
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jmj120
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Really?? So are game cameras outlawed or just bait? Just the bait. We are totally corn free.
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Fun4all]
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04/02/13 03:19 PM
04/02/13 03:19 PM
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jmj120
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And fun4all that was directed to you as I assume ur comment about wanting was directed at me Nope, not directed at you, but glad you are working on what is good for your club. My point is, instead of getting out there and hunting to best the deer in his house there are an awful lot of people (yes, word chosen for a reason) that would rather use any and every short cut to make deer change their habits and make it easier to kill a deer. It is not needed unless your life depends on it, does yours? So it's easier to kill a deer in Florida or Texas than Alabama?
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: jmj120]
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04/02/13 04:46 PM
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Fun4all
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And fun4all that was directed to you as I assume ur comment about wanting was directed at me Nope, not directed at you, but glad you are working on what is good for your club. My point is, instead of getting out there and hunting to best the deer in his house there are an awful lot of people (yes, word chosen for a reason) that would rather use any and every short cut to make deer change their habits and make it easier to kill a deer. It is not needed unless your life depends on it, does yours? So it's easier to kill a deer in Florida or Texas than Alabama? I have never hunted in Florida or Texas, so I could not provide a first hand account. I do however, have first hand experience in Alabama with a group of fellows that used corn and yes they killed deer at "their stands" just about anytime they hunted "their stands". Once I was able to do some scouting around their stands and found out what was going on, I quickly divorced myself from that situation and never return to that property. Interestingly enough, there were a number of gentlemen in law enforcement that hunted that property. So if my experience stands true, it takes less skill, woodsmanship and knowledge to dump a bag of corn out and consistently see and shoot deer. You may have a different experience in Florida and Texas and can provide your knowledge.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Confused about baiting rule now
[Re: Fun4all]
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04/02/13 05:11 PM
04/02/13 05:11 PM
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49er
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Thanks 49er.
But, how can there be a presumption that bait or feed is NOT a lure, attraction or enticement to a deer or hog??????? If there is no lure, attraction or enticement how can it be bait or feed???
It is completely STUPID wording. And of course, nothing is said about just exactly when a person is hunting?? What if a person is walking to his "stand", but goes by and put more "bait"/"feed" out and is 70 yards away from the "bait"/"feed" and sees a deer heading in his direction 100 yards away, is he hunting then? Or, does it only count as hunting when he gets to his "stand"??
Typical Government BS?
A couple of other things, how does any of this "protect the public"? Or, how does the absence of this proposed rule "significantly harm or endanger public health, welfare or safety"?? Up until there was a wantfest there has not been significant harm or danger to public health, welfare or safety, so per SOP the "officials" are making things up to solve a made up "crisis". Fine governing right there!!
Let the peopole who wrote this crap answer your questions, or at least give them a chance to. If you don't like the rule change, don't wait until it is final and you can no longer do anything about it. Chuck Sykes, Director, WILDLIFE AND FRESHWATER FISHERIES DIVISION 64 N. Union Street Montgomery, Alabama 36130 (334) 242-3465 Email: dcnr.wffdirector@dcnr.alabama.gov
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