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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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what about a 300 wsm? i am a huge fan of 30 cal bullets I'd rather have a 300 WSM than the 300 win mag. It'll get the job done. Being a lefty you can't just get what ya want in guns, my son is a South Paw. Tikka makes a lot of calibers in lefty, fine guns, he shoots a Stainless T3 in .308 it's a dandy.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/02/13 04:29 PM
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i would love to have a tikka after all the good things i have heard about them but i live on a firemans salary and the less i spend on the gun the more i can spend on the scope.
Yeah c’mon. Daniel White
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
[Re: tfd1224]
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02/02/13 05:42 PM
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IDOT just bought a Stainless Tikka in 7-08 for $575. Good gun at a good price.
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Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
[Re: tfd1224]
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02/02/13 07:03 PM
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I shoot a 7 mag, with 140gr Nosler Partitions and it kills like a lazer beam, almost never have a deer move 10 yards.
Your problem is in bullet selection. Most 7 mag bullets are designed for elk and do not open fast enough for thin skinned, smaller whitetail deer.
there is no such thing as a bullet moving too fast to open up, the faster you push ANY bullet the faster and more it will expand. thank you fred, i know my problem was bullet selection, i tried core lokt, nosler ballistic tips, sierra game king, fusion etc, i just got tired of it and went back to my 06. i am glad that you caught on that i wasnt trying to say that a 7 mag moves too fast to mushroom at all, and actually read that i was talking about bullet performance on a small whitetail. for the people who didnt understand i will just take it to drastic measures. get the 7 mag and put any bullet you want in it and shoot a piece of paper at 100 yds and then shoot a sheet of 1/4" steel at 100 yds. see which one mushrooms more. That is not what you said. You said it zipped through without having time to expand. I don't like the 7mag either. You are going to have the same exact issue with any "long distance" caliber. Bullet selection is the key with any caliber. There are 7mm bullets designed for small thin skinned game like deer. You are trying to back up now that several people called you on your mistake.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/02/13 11:00 PM
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I shoot a 7 mag, with 140gr Nosler Partitions and it kills like a lazer beam, almost never have a deer move 10 yards.
Your problem is in bullet selection. Most 7 mag bullets are designed for elk and do not open fast enough for thin skinned, smaller whitetail deer.
there is no such thing as a bullet moving too fast to open up, the faster you push ANY bullet the faster and more it will expand. thank you fred, i know my problem was bullet selection, i tried core lokt, nosler ballistic tips, sierra game king, fusion etc, i just got tired of it and went back to my 06. i am glad that you caught on that i wasnt trying to say that a 7 mag moves too fast to mushroom at all, and actually read that i was talking about bullet performance on a small whitetail. for the people who didnt understand i will just take it to drastic measures. get the 7 mag and put any bullet you want in it and shoot a piece of paper at 100 yds and then shoot a sheet of 1/4" steel at 100 yds. see which one mushrooms more. That is not what you said. You said it zipped through without having time to expand. I don't like the 7mag either. You are going to have the same exact issue with any "long distance" caliber. Bullet selection is the key with any caliber. There are 7mm bullets designed for small thin skinned game like deer. You are trying to back up now that several people called you on your mistake. I ain't backin up outta crap I will say it once again I DON'T LIKE 7MAGS BECAUSE I NEVER HAD A BULLET COME OUT OF ONE THAT MUSHROOMED ON A DEER WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A TREE FIRST OR HITTING A BONE.
Yeah c’mon. Daniel White
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
[Re: tfd1224]
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02/02/13 11:10 PM
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i am having some trouble deciding what i want. i dont have a lot of money to throw at a rifle but here is what i am looking at. i want to build a rifle that i can shoot confidently out to 600 yds with because i love to hunt powerlines. i think i am going to go with a savage. i am left handed so i cant get just any gun they make. i can shoot a r/h gun but i want it to feel like its mine, getting a r/h gun is simply not an option i am going to consider on this gun. i have been looking at the savage 111 trophy hunter xp left handed rifles. i really like the accutrigger and savage is to me the most accurate rifle in its price class. i am really wanting some help on caliber. i dont like 7 mags because to me the bullet is just moving too fast to mushroom on an alabama whitetail. i also dont want a 243. i want something with minimal recoil so there wont be any flinch factor on my end. i am hung up between 308, 7mm08, and 270. which caliber would be the best platform for building my powerline rifle, capable of shooting from 100- 600 yds? on a side note i would like to be able to take this rifle out west to kill an elk as well if i get the chance. i will be putting a leupold 4.5x14x50 vx3 with the leupold custom target turret on top and a bedded aftermarket stock on this gun. it does not come with the accustock. there. i helped you with your little failure to read my first post. i did not say a 7 mag bullet will not mushroom at all. i said imo the bullet is moving too fast to cause the trauma that say my 30-06 will on a small whitetail. i am tired of beating this horse so if you like seven mags take that crap to someone elses thread because frankly i am tired of talking about it and would really like to get back on track. and i am sure they make some 7 mag bullet that does wonders on deer but i bought probably 300 dollars of ammo and never found it so i went back to a slower and bigger bullet that i have never had problems with.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/03/13 12:14 PM
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not sure if this is even remotely what your looking for but you can get 7 mag ammo thats reduced recoil that should have better expansion on thin skinned game.
I have a 257wby thats zeroed at 200 and has not failed me yet. any of the calibers you mentioned will do what you are asking them to do but you have to put in some serious trigger time to get out to 600yds reliably. I don't care to take a shot past 400 at anything but I have seen people with a used rem 700 in .308 punch holes at 600+ with nothing more than a high power weaver and a good rest.
bottom line for me, heavy bullets have better down range ballistics behind the right load. recoil flinch can be fixed with trigger time and good form. you dont always have to have the biggest caliber, fastest velocity, heaviest bullet to put down game.
I shot a 186lb 9 point this year at 80yds with my 257wby with 100grn softpoints and it blew a hole in him and out the other side. my buddy shot a 150lb deer with his 300wsm at the same yardage and it ran for 80 yds. His heavy bonded bullet didnt expand, mine did. Mine was traveling faster but it was a softer bullet. find the right bullet for the situation and go with that.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
[Re: Garbo]
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02/03/13 09:55 PM
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Don't build one, I have one I would sell you.
It's a .308 on a Weatherby action and 2 1/2" custom barrel all custom built. The rifle weighs barely shy of 23lbs but with a good rest 600 yards is not an issue...provided you can shoot.
2-1/2" barrel 308 weighing in at 23-lbs! This I gotta see! Pics please!
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/03/13 10:45 PM
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Don't build one, I have one I would sell you.
It's a .308 on a Weatherby action and 2 1/2" custom barrel all custom built. The rifle weighs barely shy of 23lbs but with a good rest 600 yards is not an issue...provided you can shoot.
2-1/2" barrel 308 weighing in at 23-lbs! This I gotta see! Pics please! not really in the market for a snubnose rifle that weighs 23 lbs.
Yeah c’mon. Daniel White
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/04/13 07:41 PM
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what about a 300 wsm? i am a huge fan of 30 cal bullets The WSM's have a cultish following in the long range precision game. You see more of the 7 WSM'S the 300 WSM is a good hunting round. As for the 7 WSM the 7 SAUM is more efficient with less powder (meaning a slight bit less recoil). Brass is hard to come by though. If you really wanted to push the envelope build a 300 or 7 WSM on a long action so you can long throat them. That is how I built my 7 SAUM. You can get impressive results this way.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/04/13 07:46 PM
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Don't build one, I have one I would sell you.
It's a .308 on a Weatherby action and 2 1/2" custom barrel all custom built. The rifle weighs barely shy of 23lbs but with a good rest 600 yards is not an issue...provided you can shoot.
2-1/2" barrel 308 weighing in at 23-lbs! This I gotta see! Pics please! 2-1/2" diameter Bull barrel...It's fluted too.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/04/13 08:21 PM
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what about a 300 wsm? i am a huge fan of 30 cal bullets The WSM's have a cultish following in the long range precision game. You see more of the 7 WSM'S the 300 WSM is a good hunting round. As for the 7 WSM the 7 SAUM is more efficient with less powder (meaning a slight bit less recoil). Brass is hard to come by though. If you really wanted to push the envelope build a 300 or 7 WSM on a long action so you can long throat them. That is how I built my 7 SAUM. You can get impressive results this way. I'd be interested to see some numbers on your set up.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/04/13 08:37 PM
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Think I would stick with my 308 and learn how to shoot the thing, maybe I'm lucky but I have always been blessed with a decent ability to shoot. Whenever I had to qaulify in the army I scored expert mainly becuase I was one of the few who would actually take the longer shots. Others would not even shoot at the longer range targets and save the rounds in case they missed a closer one. Learn to shoot what you have and there is very little you cant do with it.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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what about a 300 wsm? i am a huge fan of 30 cal bullets The WSM's have a cultish following in the long range precision game. You see more of the 7 WSM'S the 300 WSM is a good hunting round. As for the 7 WSM the 7 SAUM is more efficient with less powder (meaning a slight bit less recoil). Brass is hard to come by though. If you really wanted to push the envelope build a 300 or 7 WSM on a long action so you can long throat them. That is how I built my 7 SAUM. You can get impressive results this way. The 6.5 WSM is becoming more popular also. The best thing you can do besides practice is find someone that shoots long range competitively and learn all you can about it from them they will teach you things about LR shooting than a bunch of folks on a forum can.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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what about a 300 wsm? i am a huge fan of 30 cal bullets The WSM's have a cultish following in the long range precision game. You see more of the 7 WSM'S the 300 WSM is a good hunting round. As for the 7 WSM the 7 SAUM is more efficient with less powder (meaning a slight bit less recoil). Brass is hard to come by though. If you really wanted to push the envelope build a 300 or 7 WSM on a long action so you can long throat them. That is how I built my 7 SAUM. You can get impressive results this way. The 6.5 WSM is becoming more popular also. The best thing you can do besides practice is find someone that shoots long range competitively and learn all you can about it from them they will teach you things about LR shooting than a bunch of folks on a forum can. My buddy goes to a class ab once a month with a guy that does long range and 3gun comps. He said that by the end of it he was able to spot for shooters and track the bullets out to 1000. Brad was consistent at 600 after that with a 308 sps.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/05/13 12:34 AM
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what about a 300 wsm? i am a huge fan of 30 cal bullets The WSM's have a cultish following in the long range precision game. You see more of the 7 WSM'S the 300 WSM is a good hunting round. As for the 7 WSM the 7 SAUM is more efficient with less powder (meaning a slight bit less recoil). Brass is hard to come by though. If you really wanted to push the envelope build a 300 or 7 WSM on a long action so you can long throat them. That is how I built my 7 SAUM. You can get impressive results this way. The 6.5 WSM is becoming more popular also. The best thing you can do besides practice is find someone that shoots long range competitively and learn all you can about it from them they will teach you things about LR shooting than a bunch of folks on a forum can. My buddy goes to a class ab once a month with a guy that does long range and 3gun comps. He said that by the end of it he was able to spot for shooters and track the bullets out to 1000. Brad was consistent at 600 after that with a 308 sps. I started shooting with a guy that held and still holds some 1000yd group records, I wasn't a bad LR shooter before but after shooting with him and his training has really helped my shooting, hell I've even won a couple of matches over the years.
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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02/05/13 07:53 PM
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Did anyone in this thread recommend the 25-06? Would that not be a very good choice?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: trying to make a powerline king!
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Did anyone in this thread recommend the 25-06? Would that not be a very good choice? I think original post said he wanted to hunt elk with the same gun.
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