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POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove #4201501
09/23/24 12:23 PM
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I have a local dairy that MAY be looking to host a shoot in late NOV this year, I advised him that we would need to burn the field, spread some wheat and then disc it in since Nov that is pretty much the only to get any number of birds, and we would need to do 10-14 days before the actual shoot. It would be in Russell county, AL. Just spit balling it right now to gauge interest. Gun season for deer would have been in for 2 weeks for our area anyway, and we control the deer hunting there as well. Open to any other advice or suggestions as well.
Was thinking around $100 a gun, with no food/drink; possible morning hunt?

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4201506
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I wouldn’t disc it in. Break ground, throw it, and barely tickle the dirt with some disc. More so to check the box than to cover seed. 100 seems fair, would the shoot be morning and afternoon or one or the other?

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4201659
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Broadcast th' wheat on plowed grown. You are "Top-Sowing".....ALL LEGAL!! Don't bother to cover it......

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Buckwheat] #4201713
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Originally Posted by Buckwheat
Broadcast th' wheat on plowed grown. You are "Top-Sowing".....ALL LEGAL!! Don't bother to cover it......

Playing devils advocate it, check when the extension office says for fall planting dates. Top sowing I believe has a range of planting dates. Could be wrong but worth checking. I know the first season is good but not sure of the window. Could also use “ erosion control” as a reason to top sow as well but it has its own technical stipulations

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: YellaLineHunter] #4201749
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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Originally Posted by Buckwheat
Broadcast th' wheat on plowed grown. You are "Top-Sowing".....ALL LEGAL!! Don't bother to cover it......

Playing devils advocate it, check when the extension office says for fall planting dates. Top sowing I believe has a range of planting dates. Could be wrong but worth checking. I know the first season is good but not sure of the window. Could also use “ erosion control” as a reason to top sow as well but it has its own technical stipulations


This. I want to say it's September 15th. It has to be a regular farming practice. Top sowing wheat after the recommended planting date would not be a regular farming practice. That's the way it was explained to me anyways.

Edit: I just looked it up. It can be too sewn from August 1st to November 30th up to 200lbs per acre.

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Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4201761
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Where is seale? I can let you in on the good info you’re missing out on and so can a few others on here.


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Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Pwyse] #4201768
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Originally Posted by Pwyse
Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Originally Posted by Buckwheat
Broadcast th' wheat on plowed grown. You are "Top-Sowing".....ALL LEGAL!! Don't bother to cover it......

Playing devils advocate it, check when the extension office says for fall planting dates. Top sowing I believe has a range of planting dates. Could be wrong but worth checking. I know the first season is good but not sure of the window. Could also use “ erosion control” as a reason to top sow as well but it has its own technical stipulations


This. I want to say it's September 15th. It has to be a regular farming practice. Top sowing wheat after the recommended planting date would not be a regular farming practice. That's the way it was explained to me anyways.

Edit: I just looked it up. It can be too sewn from August 1st to November 30th up to 200lbs per acre.

Outdoor Alabama

Glad I was wrong. Crazy how different states have different application rates for a set crop.

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4201800
09/23/24 08:45 PM
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The thing i see a lot that is bass akwards - eat lunch - get u out there at 1 -1:30 and u in a sweat box doing nothing for hours until they fly

The thought of a morning hunt don't sound bad

If i did a hunt and put one on in september - get there 3:30 - get on hunt spot and shoot birds - food afterward. That crap of sitting for hours with nothing flying is so not well thought out


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Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4201811
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I see your point. Would you have spots marked for folks to know where to set up in the dark or right at dawn? I’ve had great morning shoots and like the cooler mornings vs blazing afternoons. Good thing is November should be more comfortable in the afternoon than early September. This year I had folks show up at 2 eat, and then get to the field around 300. Still sat longer than I was wanting before action picked up. Hanging out and hearing folks shooting in the distance got everyone excited to go sit

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4201898
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Yea - thats the other thing i might do in september - we are having a late lunch at 2-3:00 then go shoot. A hunt i went on last year had big screen and a camp - had a place to sit and you could sit and watch football and around 3 u could hear folks starting to shoot. That was way more bearable
The other really is a waste 2-3 hours of your day type set up and if u hav a kid - it sucks


Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
We need prayer for our country now more than ever
Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4201921
09/24/24 07:36 AM
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To answer some of the questions, I was thinking more of a morning hunt. Yes "spots" will be marked and chosen at random draw. Seale is where I live, shoot would be more towards river, close to Ft. Mitchell area. EAST ALABAMA. Thinking shoot, eat, and if you want go shoot some more in afternoon then that is something we are looking at (need to see the college schedule for all us SEC fans!), it gets dark earlier that late in Nov, so more of a all day, if people wanted to do that.
Show up, sign the waivers, select spots, go kill some birds, eat some food, go back out and shoot some more...all that is if they are flying and coming in to feed.
If we are able, I will advertise here, marketplace, craigslist, GON.com forum. Put some field pics on it, the areas marked for spots, and try and get some vids of what it looks like with birds flying. Main thing is with deer season being in full swing, would want to get 20-30 people on the field so it is covered and we can keep them flying.
Plenty of roost trees in and around this area and a good pond is located about 1/3 mi from this field. Large high voltage powerline is 100yds from field as well. It looks like a good set up. Just need to get farmer on board and see what we can do.
It is a win/win i think, since once the wheat comes up his cows will have something to eat as well.
Anyone know what a barrel of wheat is going for? I used to pay $50 but has been a long time.

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: TDog93] #4201926
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Originally Posted by TDog93
The thing i see a lot that is bass akwards - eat lunch - get u out there at 1 -1:30 and u in a sweat box doing nothing for hours until they fly

The thought of a morning hunt don't sound bad

If i did a hunt and put one on in september - get there 3:30 - get on hunt spot and shoot birds - food afterward. That crap of sitting for hours with nothing flying is so not well thought out


If it’s overcast or raining, getting there at 3:30 you are just going to run the birds out that are already feeding and they very well may not come back. Especially after the first shoot of the year.

I know you said September.

Even more so later in the year.

Better gauge the weather conditions, then set a time. Also watch the birds. Some fields do much better in afternoon versus morning. Some fields are better morning versus afternoon.

My advice would be to top sew “plant” sections of the field at a time. I would start this practice weeks in advance. At least 5 “sections” planted 5 days or so apart at the stated rate of legal application per acre.

Getting birds and keeping birds takes a lot of work.

I would not plow it all at once. I’d plow no more than 2 sections at a time. I’d pack the dirt somehow either by dragging it then letting it settle a couple days, or I’d run back and forth over it with a vehicle or a cultipacker. A front end loader bucket set on the ground and then ran in reverse makes a great flat bare landing strip to top sew wheat on….

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4202137
09/24/24 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Khitzeman
To answer some of the questions, I was thinking more of a morning hunt. Yes "spots" will be marked and chosen at random draw. Seale is where I live, shoot would be more towards river, close to Ft. Mitchell area. EAST ALABAMA. Thinking shoot, eat, and if you want go shoot some more in afternoon then that is something we are looking at (need to see the college schedule for all us SEC fans!), it gets dark earlier that late in Nov, so more of a all day, if people wanted to do that.
Show up, sign the waivers, select spots, go kill some birds, eat some food, go back out and shoot some more...all that is if they are flying and coming in to feed.
If we are able, I will advertise here, marketplace, craigslist, GON.com forum. Put some field pics on it, the areas marked for spots, and try and get some vids of what it looks like with birds flying. Main thing is with deer season being in full swing, would want to get 20-30 people on the field so it is covered and we can keep them flying.
Plenty of roost trees in and around this area and a good pond is located about 1/3 mi from this field. Large high voltage powerline is 100yds from field as well. It looks like a good set up. Just need to get farmer on board and see what we can do.
It is a win/win i think, since once the wheat comes up his cows will have something to eat as well.
Anyone know what a barrel of wheat is going for? I used to pay $50 but has been a long time.

Man sounds like a fine plan to me!

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Jstocks] #4202139
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Originally Posted by Jstocks
Originally Posted by TDog93
The thing i see a lot that is bass akwards - eat lunch - get u out there at 1 -1:30 and u in a sweat box doing nothing for hours until they fly

The thought of a morning hunt don't sound bad

If i did a hunt and put one on in september - get there 3:30 - get on hunt spot and shoot birds - food afterward. That crap of sitting for hours with nothing flying is so not well thought out


If it’s overcast or raining, getting there at 3:30 you are just going to run the birds out that are already feeding and they very well may not come back. Especially after the first shoot of the year.

I know you said September.

Even more so later in the year.

Better gauge the weather conditions, then set a time. Also watch the birds. Some fields do much better in afternoon versus morning. Some fields are better morning versus afternoon.

My advice would be to top sew “plant” sections of the field at a time. I would start this practice weeks in advance. At least 5 “sections” planted 5 days or so apart at the stated rate of legal application per acre.

Getting birds and keeping birds takes a lot of work.

I would not plow it all at once. I’d plow no more than 2 sections at a time. I’d pack the dirt somehow either by dragging it then letting it settle a couple days, or I’d run back and forth over it with a vehicle or a cultipacker. A front end loader bucket set on the ground and then ran in reverse makes a great flat bare landing strip to top sew wheat on….

Solid advice here!

Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4202256
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Aw heck - if its ovwrcast we will already be out there amd they likely will fly early. Yea - thats a given

Yea - its the melting in the ground at 95 degrees with not squat flying i was talking about


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And i never dove hunted in november - but would not be against if not on my land

Just me and some of my friends always had those questions about sept. When we hunt our land or his land - we get there 3-3:30 unless it cloudy - saves ton of dead period or hours of wait with no fly


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Re: POSSIBLE Nov shoot for dove [Re: Khitzeman] #4202342
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Beadle had an aldeer dove hunt in late October a few years back over around Moundville. We hunted in the morning and some stayed for the afternoon. Had a good crowd of folks and killed a bunch of birds. I don't think he advertised it anywhere except here and had all the guns we needed. I will certainly try to come if you do something similar


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I will take a 2nd season dove hunt over opening weekend dove hunt every single time! Bigger doves, that are less bothered, and usually bigger groups of doves as well. Folks who only hunt the first couple weekends of dove season have no idea what they're missing out on. Id definitely be interested depending on how far you guys are from me


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