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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: BCLC] #4149104
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Originally Posted by BCLC
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There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:

1. All Politicians Are Liars
2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
3. Taxation Is Theft
Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149256
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Agree Gomer - it pointless to debate on here but somebody slamming all churches and refuting scripture only hurts the kingdom - hard not to say something and you know the ones judging are light years from being perfect also

Their ain't but one way - don't matter denomination - its thru Jesus. I said the sinners prayer when i was 16 - ask Jesus to forgive me and come in to my heart and save me - all that was left was believing. Best decision i ever made!!!! You cant good your way in or get in off a feeling and one day every knee will bow amd every tongue will confess - no getting around it


Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
We need prayer for our country now more than ever
Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149295
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Define “judging” fella 🤣😂🤣. Having an opinion ain’t judging a soul that isn’t ours to judge.

You have differing doctrines and denominations because of man, the Bible tells you the truth. 🤣😂

The right way is reading the scriptures, determining what applies to you at a particular point in your life. The Word says its for everyone to understand but not at the same time, its when God gives you a light bulb moment, not a supposed degreed theologian like myself. Man should never shed light on scripture understanding for another, read, Pray, and sooner or later the light will come on.

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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: JohnnyLoco] #4149310
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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Define “judging” fella 🤣😂🤣. Having an opinion ain’t judging a soul that isn’t ours to judge.

You have differing doctrines and denominations because of man, the Bible tells you the truth. 🤣😂

The right way is reading the scriptures, and determining what applies to you at a particular point in your life. The Word says its for everyone to understand but not at the same time, its when God gives you a light bulb moment, not a supposed degreed theologian like myself. Man should never shed light on scripture understanding for another, read, Pray, and sooner or later the light will come on.


I'd tend to agree with you here. We have to find the truth in the bible that we need to find (of which there is much) instead of spending so much time debating interpretations of book that is full of errors, contradictions, and even forgeries. More than a few of Paul's letters weren't even written by him according to many scholars. James never really bought into Paul's theology, Like I said, Christians have been arguing about doctrine since before Jesus even was crucified. It's nothing new.

P.S. Jesus never said you have to have the bible figured out or believe everything in it. We all know what he said was necessary for salvation.

Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149317
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Its why I always chuckle when a church ask me to become a “legitimate member” and if I’m approached about my donations. Many times I give with the express purpose of “keeping the lights on at the meeting place” or for “Wednesday night Bible study Supper”.

I’ve actually been accused of using the Church as a grocery picking and choosing what I want, I can only laugh at their possessive definition of “Church”.

Its none of anyone’s business what I give or who I give to because Biblically once I have been rewarded for it here, don’t count towards the afterlife.

And since I wholeheartedly believe the kingdom spreads one person at a time and our surroundings are a witness to social perils, I do not support foreign missionaries under any circumstances! We need to get busy in our own communities first!

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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149318
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you have a very low opinion of a book you are going to be judged by there shoot em up tex.
I think u said one time you were a freemason do I remember that correctly?

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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: mathews prostaff] #4149319
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Originally Posted by mathews prostaff
you have a very low opinion of a book you are going to be judged by there shoot em up tex.
I think u said one time you were a freemason do I remember that correctly?


You really should start reading that book, not judged by the book and it ain’t up for debate 😂🤣😂🤣

I only have the highest opinion of the word (truth) my Brother

He who doesn’t believe in Christ, has his judge.

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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149322
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Post deleted because I didn’t read thoroughly

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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149515
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the question was for tex there Loco. unless you are shoot em up tex too and was just talking to yourself

Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149540
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With so much bad teaching coming out of pulpits today and so many professing Believers placing little value in reading the bible, I believe these discussions actually need to happen and I'm fortunate enough to be in a church where we discuss them often. Not necessarily to win a debate, but to get primary, biblical doctrine right. Paul mentioned in Galatians 1 about the dangers of "preaching another gospel". In some of the largest churches in America right now, you'll rarely, if ever, hear any mentions of sin, repentance, atonement, Hell, justification.

What we believe matters and we need to conform it to scripture. If you ask ten different "Christians" who God is, you'll probably get ten different answers and maybe two of them will be supported by scripture. Same with asking them who Jesus is or what is the Bible, etc.


"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
-G. K. Chesterton
Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149544
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I think it is primarily a waste of time to debate Biblical doctrine on here. Most people are so set in their beliefs that they won’t even consider a question or opinion that threatens that belief.

Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149546
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I’m pretty sure Bill never said don’t debate doctrine, he said there’s a time and place for it and on a public forum with non-believers doesn’t help Gods mission for us but could indeed hurt it. Seems some folks are missing that point in the OP’s post

Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: JohnnyLoco] #4149548
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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Its why I always chuckle when a church ask me to become a “legitimate member” and if I’m approached about my donations. Many times I give with the express purpose of “keeping the lights on at the meeting place” or for “Wednesday night Bible study Supper”.

I’ve actually been accused of using the Church as a grocery picking and choosing what I want, I can only laugh at their possessive definition of “Church”.

Its none of anyone’s business what I give or who I give to because Biblically once I have been rewarded for it here, don’t count towards the afterlife.

And since I wholeheartedly believe the kingdom spreads one person at a time and our surroundings are a witness to social perils, I do not support foreign missionaries under any circumstances! We need to get busy in our own communities first!


How do you manage to reconcile this opinion with scripture ? And I'm not talking about just financially.

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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: FreeStateHunter] #4149552
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Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
I’m pretty sure Bill never said don’t debate doctrine, he said there’s a time and place for it and on a public forum with non-believers doesn’t help Gods mission for us but could indeed hurt it. Seems some folks are missing that point in the OP’s post

Non-believers are never going to be questioned by God about someone else's beliefs. That's just a feeble excuse. We talk about the things that are truly important to us. Why is it that we can run 10 pages on a thread about politics or college football, but only a couple on Christianity? Is this stuff really as important to us as we say it is??? Any supposed disagreement is suddenly seen as a bad thing. I never really look at it as trying to win any kind of debate. This forum, quite possibly, is the only place where some may hear any discussion about God, Jesus, the Bible, holiness, etc.

Simply believing God exists doesn't save anyone. Being an obedient follower and demonstrating repentance unto salvation are what He wants.


"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149558
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Romans 14:1-23 ESV
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...



And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will

.Galatians 5:15 says, If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other

Titus 3:9 ESV
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.


"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles"
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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: bill] #4149568
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I reckon that was an ad hominem to me so I'll answer, Bill. Great verses but that doesn't mean we should never engage in discussion about these things and there is merit to your original post. Non-salvific issues and issues involving strict adherence to biblical texts are not really to be debated, but we have to measure them in light of ALL of scripture.

"6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads." - Deuteronomy 6:6-8

"3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." - Jude 3:3

You've got some on here constantly dropping the F-bomb and delighting in hump day posts but then theyre appalled by at the spread of Homosexuality. Satan probably enjoys any lack of biblical discussion. We are surrounded by an absolutely toxic culture, but the ONE and only hope they have in Christ we are told we're not to talk about.


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Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: BPI] #4149571
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Originally Posted by BPI
Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Its why I always chuckle when a church ask me to become a “legitimate member” and if I’m approached about my donations. Many times I give with the express purpose of “keeping the lights on at the meeting place” or for “Wednesday night Bible study Supper”.

I’ve actually been accused of using the Church as a grocery picking and choosing what I want, I can only laugh at their possessive definition of “Church”.

Its none of anyone’s business what I give or who I give to because Biblically once I have been rewarded for it here, don’t count towards the afterlife.

And since I wholeheartedly believe the kingdom spreads one person at a time and our surroundings are a witness to social perils, I do not support foreign missionaries under any circumstances! We need to get busy in our own communities first!


How do you manage to reconcile this opinion with scripture ? And I'm not talking about just financially.




How can you not? Jesus said himself, the two MOST important commandments were love God and love your NEIGHBOR. if can't or aren't willing to start with the guy down the street, what makes one think your qualified to go to China? Also it says NOWHERE in the bible to give 10 percent to the church. Although I do tithe to the church it's my choice where it goes as long as it's done in God's name. And for everyone who thinks what you do on earth goes away when you die. WRONG!!! It says in the bible Jesus will reward you according to your works, and james said faith without works is dead

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Sometimes on here our discussions are not involving the meek but we need to be respectful

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Originally Posted by kyles
Sometimes on here our discussions are not involving the meek but we need to be respectful



If you are referring to me and I was disrespectful or offensive, I apologize. But I do believe I'm scripturally correct?

Re: Debating Doctrine [Re: mathews prostaff] #4149613
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Originally Posted by mathews prostaff
the question was for tex there Loco. unless you are shoot em up tex too and was just talking to yourself


My bad

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