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Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: CrappieMan] #4142561
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Originally Posted by CrappieMan
Originally Posted by ridgestalker
If you don’t won’t a full blown tracking dog I can’t see why a lab couldn’t be trained to do it. They have the nose and can be trained to do about anything. Barking bayed off a lead might be the only problem. Using a lead or a tracking collar would solve that.

Several people track with labs. Matter of fact Krystal Gainey uses labs and they Do a fine job.

For decades the Tara Wildlife bunch used black labs. They may still.

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: CNC] #4142597
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Is the dog hunting the deer? (yes or no). Some places don’t allow dog hunting for deer. So how did you answer the question? Hunting at night the rule has been around for years…..You cannot do it.

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: CNC] #4142617
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lol , i feel for yall trackers . bunch of school yards kids , if i cant do this then you cant to that .

instead of trying to help thier situation they harm others . . as i said before ,,,, petty bs .

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: Frankie] #4142622
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Originally Posted by Frankie
lol , i feel for yall trackers . bunch of school yards kids , if i cant do this then you cant to that .

instead of trying to help thier situation they harm others . . as i said before ,,,, petty bs .


I'm glad someone sees it for what it is Frankie......I mean damn......


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Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: CNC] #4142627
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as a working game warden I really didn't give much of a shitt what folks did while on a legit track. I never had any problems with trackers...ever.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: BhamFred] #4142637
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
as a working game warden I really didn't give much of a shitt what folks did while on a legit track. I never had any problems with trackers...ever.




i dont understand where or why there is a problem . what harm does it cause .

i think most of it is , if the big shots wont let me dog hunt then why should they be able to use tracking dogs to find their deer .

imo , thats the attitude they have . only reason i can see they be so set against it .

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: CNC] #4142640
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Well this is a double edged sword. Anyone who hunts Winston County knows you’re more likely to run into an outlaw than you are an ethical hunter. How long you think it will take those morons to be baying up deer all night claiming they’re tracking. That’s fine to me if they’re on their land but how many people have hunted next to dog hunters and had a hunt just ruined because their dogs come piling through, then they give you that BS line “dog don’t see property lines”

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: FreeStateHunter] #4142653
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Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
Well this is a double edged sword. Anyone who hunts Winston County knows you’re more likely to run into an outlaw than you are an ethical hunter. How long you think it will take those morons to be baying up deer all night claiming they’re tracking. That’s fine to me if they’re on their land but how many people have hunted next to dog hunters and had a hunt just ruined because their dogs come piling through, then they give you that BS line “dog don’t see property lines”


Stupidity at its finest. Just how many times have you ever seen a un wounded deer bay up with dogs behind it?? Never that’s when! A deer has to be wounded pretty good to turn back on dogs and be bayed up. I’m assuming you’ve never been around a tracking dogs or hunting dogs in your life. Just blame other hunters ok you not being able to kill deer, if someone don’t hunt your way, they an outlaw. Etc etc

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: FreeStateHunter] #4142656
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Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
Well this is a double edged sword. Anyone who hunts Winston County knows you’re more likely to run into an outlaw than you are an ethical hunter. How long you think it will take those morons to be baying up deer all night claiming they’re tracking. That’s fine to me if they’re on their land but how many people have hunted next to dog hunters and had a hunt just ruined because their dogs come piling through, then they give you that BS line “dog don’t see property lines”




i believe a GW or most of them will have enough sence to tell the difference between running dogs and a tracking dog ,

myself i love hunting next to dog hunters , i get to kill deer that they drive off thier land . i also understand your point too.

i have chassed dogs half the night trying to catch dogs we had lost. i dont remember a time where i could have killed a deer doing it . believe me we wasnt doing it for fun . burn up all that gas , hungry , tired , 10 , 11 o'clock getting home .

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CNC: what kind of weapon(s) are you using to dispatch deer you find still alive?


You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: treemydog] #4142662
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Originally Posted by treemydog
CNC: what kind of weapon(s) are you using to dispatch deer you find still alive?


Lasso and a flip flop…..you gotta use the thick ones though


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Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: CNC] #4142669
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Originally Posted by CNC
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CNC: what kind of weapon(s) are you using to dispatch deer you find still alive?


Lasso and a flip flop…..you gotta use the thick ones though


we used to grab ours by the horns put out knee on their necks and stick'em . course a buddy stuck himself in the thigh one time doing it . he grab more deer than he could hold . lol.

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: 000buck] #4142702
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Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: CNC] #4142732
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I don’t see what the big deal is. There are a lot bigger problems in the world than tracking deer. The law is full of ambiguity. Judges, lawyers, and crooks use it everyday. Personally, I think tracking is a great tradition that does our sport more good than harm.

Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: Frankie] #4142886
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Originally Posted by Frankie
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CNC: what kind of weapon(s) are you using to dispatch deer you find still alive?


Lasso and a flip flop…..you gotta use the thick ones though


we used to grab ours by the horns put out knee on their necks and stick'em . course a buddy stuck himself in the thigh one time doing it . he grab more deer than he could hold . lol.


In all seriousness I’m just trying to be as efficient as possible when I go out on a track and minimize the risk of injury to me and the dogs…..Don’t get me wrong, I do have fun with it but I’m not trying to “play”……It takes way too much time and effort to train a good dog to get one hurt. I just got back from laying a training track that I'll run later today before dark with the younger dogs.


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Re: New Tracking Rules [Re: FreeStateHunter] #4142892
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Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
Well this is a double edged sword. Anyone who hunts Winston County knows you’re more likely to run into an outlaw than you are an ethical hunter. How long you think it will take those morons to be baying up deer all night claiming they’re tracking. That’s fine to me if they’re on their land but how many people have hunted next to dog hunters and had a hunt just ruined because their dogs come piling through, then they give you that BS line “dog don’t see property lines”


Michigan made it legal last year for their trackers to be able to finish deer off at night......Might be interesting to see if they've had any issues from it. People arent going to be baying up healthy deer but I could see someone poaching and trying to claim they were tracking. GW's would be able to tell the difference but I suppose it could cause potential issues with prosecution in court.

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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by FreeStateHunter
Well this is a double edged sword. Anyone who hunts Winston County knows you’re more likely to run into an outlaw than you are an ethical hunter. How long you think it will take those morons to be baying up deer all night claiming they’re tracking. That’s fine to me if they’re on their land but how many people have hunted next to dog hunters and had a hunt just ruined because their dogs come piling through, then they give you that BS line “dog don’t see property lines”


Michigan made it legal last year for their trackers to be able to finish deer off at night......Might be interesting to see if they've had any issues from it. People arent going to be baying up healthy deer but I could see someone poaching and trying to claim they were tracking. GW's would be able to tell the difference but I suppose it could cause potential issues with prosecution in court.


Bingo. I hope it works out for the folks who do things right

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I agree this is a potential issue but we got a lot of smart folks that I think could come up with a solution if we put our heads together……This was the very reason I was willing to concede to having a “certified burn manager” class for trackers if that’s what it takes……If that would alleviate this issue for the GW’s and allows for everything to be put into place then I could concede to doing that……Michigan dealt with it by having their trackers “call in” before they go on night tracks…..I’m not sure what kind of system they have in place but again if you were to model it after the certified burn manager program they have an online system where you don’t actually have to call…..I’m sure something like that cost money but again hopefully we can find a solution…..

If it cant be put into place before this next season then maybe we can at least call the dogs off from prosecuting anyone for something that has been allowed to go on for over a decade now. I’m hoping the Chief just said some stuff off the cuff to appease the dog hunters but it sounded like he had a pretty strong opinion about it needing to stop…..I don’t know……I just hope this gets handled in the right way without it getting turned it into a clusterpuck of situation…..There’s no need for that when probably 95% of hunters in our state are ok with it and want to have trackers available to them….We are all effected not just trackers…..Dont forget there’s a hunter asking for help on the other end of every one of these tracking stories


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Permits, $50 a year, and a tracking certification… that way you know your getting the real deal when you call…

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Originally Posted by Ridge Life
Permits, $50 a year, and a tracking certification… that way you know your getting the real deal when you call…


And have to carry a permit and keep on a leash and have a gps track, and report before you go on a call, etc etc. more regulations. Yeah that’s what we need is more regs and fees. Hence what others have said. Keep asking and you are gonna get it. Just shut up about it.

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